Looks like Pakistan was in good position. Even then why was it defeated ?
Talwar;
And the 1600 + sq km territories seized by Pakistan over all against India's .... - what was that now ?
Looked like your army ran from Rajastan bud.
That sure must make you look like losers now, being what 3 times bigger than Pak.
Get a life. When missiles fall on families on both sides, then your jeering comments won't look that funny to you.
What they lose is not counted
Yaar Gandalf,
You guys “claim” the above numbers. I will not accept the Rann of Kutch numbers without independent links. Now, Pak did take some wasteland there. But that was way before the war - in April 65.
But your own claims and factual book by this so called famous author says that Pak was losing land in the Lahore-Sialkot sector
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I repeat - Pak attacked India to “liberate” Kashmir but signed ceasefire while liberating Lahore.
So, who won?
Yeah they wont accept the Rann of katch figures.
Talwar, the Indian Generals had plans of having a cup of tea at Lahore Gymkhana, and they did make a large progress along the Lahore front, but they met with a very strong resistance on the BRB canal, which is close to Lahore. Therefore, during the whole period of the war, they werent able to set foot on Lahore, they remained confined in the suburbs. On the other hand, Pakistan did make large strides, on the Rajhastan sector. Secondly, the war in 1965 was started by the indians to avenge the defeat at the hands of the Pakistanis, in Rann of katch. I guess its time for you to read other sources than unreliable Indian sources.
LOL, it happens only in India…
Just posted ‘Part 2’ of this post:
'65 War: Photos and Facts [Part 2]](http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum26/HTML/007658.html)
You can only paint with the colors you’re given…
…so get what you like and like what you have.
Nice pictures, Pakistan99.
And that’s all I claim. We were at the gates of Lahore.
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I’ll first use the link posted here by Abdali.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/south_asia/2002/india_pakist an/timeline/1965.stm
It says
Secondly, below is the US Library of Congress link.
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/pktoc.html
Scroll down and click on “Ayub Khan’s Foreign Policy and the 1965 War with India”
It says:
**Both links say Pakistan started the war by its failed infiltration attempt. Juist becuase your fauj wore Shalwars doesn’t mean they didn’t attack us?
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The Indian army, OTOH, wore our uniforms and attacked khullam khulla
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As I said, British and American are good enought for me. Can you find any neutral site to back up your claims?
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Talwar, they were at the doorsteps from the first day, and stayed their till the end. Is that victory, but maybe for Indians it might be.
In wars there is a term called tactical withdrawal, after which the forces regroup and fight the enemy forces, the Indians can call the tactical withdrawal as their victory.
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Coz after the Pakistani forces regrouped the indians couldnt move even one inch.
You guys attacked us to get Kashmir, but ended up fighting to save Lahore.
Victory is gauged by who wanted what -
India only wanted to relieve the pressure in Kashmir by attacking in the plains. We accomplished our goals and even got parts of PoK.
OTOH, Pak wanted Kashmir but lost their own territory.
So who won?
Didnt you lose parts in Rajhastan? yes or no
Does anyone read history here? Any notion how the Gora Mai Bap has been winning for the last 300 years? Lets fight the 1965 again; Nuke each other out back before the Afghans marched into Delhi, and do do what the Amerekii mai bap orders to do. Great, just great.
Talwar, admit we kicked your ass like crazy … You better think twice about attacking now, we may not be so forgiving this time
Answer my above question and then I’ll answer yours.
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Adnan,
Pls go and read my posts. Then respond to them point by point if you can.
Talwar, why has india chickened out now?
.. and who told u that.. infact India was defeated and suffered heavely with a smaller army of Pakistan.. and now dont say Pakistan was the aggressor and attacked India
Degas,
Plz READ my above posts where YOUR OWN links say Pak started the war by sending soldiers into Indian Kashmir.
As to India being “defeated”, pls explain how you guys lost the Lahore sector and still claim “victory”?
talwar, u r one stubborn guy...give some account of some pictures from the indian army inside lahore city...and not the suburbs...