Starting a new thread (away from Missile related postings).
Bharatis love to rave and rant about the pre-partition percentage of Bharati-Muslims to current level and use these numbers to whip Pakistan.
Unfortunately these stats are comparing two completely different regions. What these simpletons should do is to compare “minorities” from both Punjabs (East and West) in pre-partition numbers to the current numbers. One can easily see that such minorities disappeared from both Bharat and Pakistan.
Bharatis have cleansed Muslims in East Punjab. How else could you explain all those Muslims landowners left their ancestral homes in Ludhyana, Jalandhar, and “Ambar-sar”?
Look around Himachal, Haryana, and Punjab regions of Bharat and you could count on your fingers all those Muslim landowners. This is how Bharatis turned majority 60% Muslims to a fraction of a percentage. Wah wah the tolerance of Bharatis.
UPites and Biharis are in Bharat because your Gandhi claimed them to be part of Hindu dharma so they have every right to live in Bharat. You can’t have it both ways. But then may be you could, you are a Bharati after all.
p.s. Stats aside, Pakistan needs to rid the draconian hadood laws. These laws are nothing but savagery against minorities..
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
^ foolish try. You don't trifle with 120+million Indian Muslims that easily even if they are a minority. That's a lot of digits and lot of people.
Your problem is that many of you think since the idea of Pakistan became possible on the basis of religion that you have a monopoly of that religion. That's a sad mistake that many of your countrymen commit until they learn some basic facts about India's diversity and tolerance. People like you just use their naivete to blow hot air.
Who made you an authority about Himachal Haryana and Punjab? you just cook up numbers such as the 60 to 0 (probably watching some car ad in the reverse).
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
Antiobl you're right man. All this talk about minorities getting the flack in Pak is a lot of BS anyway. Moreover, it doesn't make sense AT ALL when the bharteez point fingers after all that's going on in their own country.
Last time I heard the bharteez were claiming there were more Muslims in India than in Pak. Now the number has been reduced to 120 million as stated by the poster above. It doesn'y make sense at all, don't they have a stable figure for their nation? Ah well, but then, that's askin for too much :)
The problem with Indians and India in general is that they simply can not stand the reality. Anything which exposes the real state of affairs is a LIE to these folks. Well, the farther you get from the REALITY the more problems it generates. And we're seeing that now with the blasts and the insurgent activity all over the place in Bharhat.
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
India has a horrible human rights record but we should know the facts before we start some arguement.India cant claim that they have many muslims in east punjab but what about us how many hindus live in our punjab??So you have to know how the partition took place and how were the regions divided into east and west punjab.
Indian Punjab still has a muslim majority district of malerkotla sangrur where muslims are even elected.
And another fact is India has more than 200 million which is much higher than 15 16 percent claimed by the dehli sarkar.
And UP and bihar were hindu majority provinces they dont fall in the same category of punjab and bengal.Nevertheless muslims from hindu majority states also played a key role in the independence movement.
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
Oh Baboo Raam! pre-partition Punjab had 60% Muslim population and most of them were landowners. Leave the state of Malirkotla aside as it was princely state and not part of British-India’s governmental controlled provinces.
If you don’t like the stats then bring about yours and show that they are more credible.
Shouting Jaih Hind or Jai Bharatiya is not going to change the facts.
p.s. Himachal, Haryana and East Punjab have been carved out of the 2.5 divisions of post partition East-Punjab.
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
If you don't like the stats then bring about yours and show that they are more credible.
Shouting Jaih Hind or Jai Bharatiya is not going to change the facts.
p.s. Himachal, Haryana and East Punjab have been carved out of the 2.5 divisions of post partition East-Punjab.
Janab,
You skew facts to fit your theories. You leave out the migration of muslims to Pakistan. That alone would account for your population drift.
By the way, for the alst 20 years the total Indian population has increased by 23 percent while the Muslim population has increased by 33 percent. No Muslim country has an increasing minority population. Pray tell, how many regions of Pakistan have a majority non-muslim population?
As for land owners, the same thing that happened to Hindu land owners when they left Pakistan happened to Muslims when they left India.
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
Just before you bring out your “phacts” about Muslims, read the stats posted by kmangalam.
This clearly shows that Muslim population of Himachal, Haryana, and East Punjab has been wiped out thoroughly. It is a secondary issue that they “migrated”, were “killed”, or “pushed out”.
Not just a small number I dare say, a whopping 52% as per Bharati sources (or 60% my figures).
So you want to fight on 8% difference (of kmangalam vs. me) or accept the fact that Bharati hands are equally if not more are involved in ethnic cleansing of Muslims.
Minority remaining minority is appreciated, however turning 52-60% majority population down to 0-4% is only possible in Bharat (or in butcher Slobodan’s Yugoslavia).
Let me add, that kmangalam figures of 1-4% Muslim population now mostly constitute dirt poor Bihari laborers. That is a far cry from the dominant Muslim population who owned most of the agricultural lands.
Hindu wealth in Punjab was concentrated in banks, insurance companies, and homes etc and not in agri-lands.
Punjabi Hindus never owned large agricultural tracts of land (at least not in the last 1000 years). Call it a division of labor but the fact is the Muslims owned most of the agricultural lands in the whole of Punjab. Gandhi and company carried out the pogroms to snatch Muslim lands and they were mighty successful.
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
:stupid: kmang’m just showed you your mistakes (or lies) and still you don’t get it. PRE-PARTITION = before Pak partition, before people moved to Pak. In normal arithemetic, if you start with 52% and move people out of that 52%, the result will be less then 52%. In bizarro math guess it became 60!
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
Bharatis love to rave and rant about the pre-partition percentage of Bharati-Muslims to current level and use these numbers to whip Pakistan.
Unfortunately these stats are comparing two completely different regions. What these simpletons should do is to compare "minorities" from both Punjabs (East and West) in pre-partition numbers to the current numbers. One can easily see that such minorities disappeared from both Bharat and Pakistan.
Bharatis have cleansed Muslims in East Punjab. How else could you explain all those Muslims landowners left their ancestral homes in Ludhyana, Jalandhar, and "Ambar-sar"?
Look around Himachal, Haryana, and Punjab regions of Bharat and you could count on your fingers all those Muslim landowners. This is how Bharatis turned majority 60% Muslims to a fraction of a percentage. Wah wah the tolerance of Bharatis.
UPites and Biharis are in Bharat because your Gandhi claimed them to be part of Hindu dharma so they have every right to live in Bharat. You can't have it both ways. But then may be you could, you are a Bharati after all.
p.s. Stats aside, Pakistan needs to rid the draconian hadood laws. These laws are nothing but savagery against minorities..
Why was pakistan created.. where would the muslims go in the border districts. They would basicaly go to Pakistan dont they.
East punjab.. so the sikhs drove away all the muslims or what.. or did they butchered muslims..Sikhs more like double the hindu population in punjab Hei..koi sikh wala hein yahan par.
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
Cunning bunyas start calling on Sikhs pretty quickly. Oh Baboo Raam! Hindu Sardar Patel and Hindu Gandhi, and a Hindu Nehru carried out pogroms for snatching Muslim lands. Now you want to turn it into an anti-Sikh pogrom. You guys already took away Himachal and Haryana from Sikhs. Isn’t it enough for your hunger of land?
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India also plays a central role in the war on terror. With 130 million Muslims, India has the most Muslims of any nation apart from Indonesia.
Yet not a single Indian has joined al-Qa’ida. No Indian was discovered in Afghanistan. None is held in Guantanamo Bay. This is a great tribute to India’s secular democracy. This democracy is another way in which India balances China - and that is ideologically. It is impossible to argue that democracy is not practical for poor, big countries, or that it is a Western construct, with India in the room http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18338582%255E25377,00.html
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
It is all nice and dandy. My hats off to the wonderful anti-communist Bharati policies.
Unfortunately it has nothing to do with the thread. Is this post a shiny example of Bharati comprehension skills. Wake man. You are putting Mullahs and Arabs to shame in the art of logic.
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
Poor babu raam got angry... Oh so patel and nehru and whoever snatched from the sikhs and gave it to hindus..and inturn sikhs burnt muslim homes and butchered them.. is that so..
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
NameInUse
Naagarparkar areas around umerkot(thar desert) have hindu majority.The sheikhpura district has been bifurcated and nankana sahib has now been awarded status of a district.
Pakitani minorities make only 3% of the population so they cant have a majority province since there are only 4 provinces.
Muslim population in india is always shown less than the actual number.Muslims are around 200 million
Antibol
Malirkotla was a pricely state but now it is part of punjab so we have to accept the facts.Just like bhawalpur is part of punjab and was used to be a princely state.
Re: 60% Muslims down to 0% in Bharati Punjab, Himachal, Haryana (the old East Punjab)
Nobody is denying that “fact”. However the pre-partition statistics for British contorlled provinces did not include the princely states. So if you want to do a comparison between pre- and post-partition numbers, you have to exclude the princely states. That’s all.
I see some Biharis on this forum have a good laughing sense about ethnic cleansing and a very poor sense of logic or history. This could be due to the abject poverty, and centuries of hunger in the great state of Bihar.
(spent the whole night typing that?)
