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Complaining about it won't change anything. It hasn't so far so why should it be any different on Wednesday?
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on the same note, younis khan is there to stay in the team, as the selectors very well understand his significance to the middle order, and there is not point in screaming about axing him in every post....
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on the same note, younis khan is there to stay in the team, as the selectors very well understand his significance to the middle order, and there is not point in screaming about axing him in every post....
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This is discussion board armughal, we are here to give our opinions, no one is saying that the selectors have to do what we say. So you can stop squawking now, it's ok for us to have our say.
i think the team shud be the same like the 4th ODI one, although i do not like the idea of playing afridi again, but atleast inzi'll know wat to except from him. but if they replace afridi the new player will have alot of pressure !!
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i think the team shud be the same like the 4th ODI one, although i do not like the idea of playing afridi again, but atleast inzi'll know wat to except from him. but if they replace afridi the new player will have alot of pressure !!
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Yeah, Inzi'll know that Afridi will deliver 0.1% or 0%. Throwing someone else will definitely put him under pressure, but then what'd happen to him? at worst he will perform 0%, which is not far from 0.1%. I'd say drop him, and drop him for good this time, no more coming back. Put Imran Farhat and Taufeeq Umar to open, Yasir Hameed to follow. Replace Younis with a batsman or specialist bowler, even Rana Navedul Hasan will do it.
Afridi has to go. We need Imran Farhat back, so that we can have a good opening partership.
If we bowl with discipline...our 5 bowlers are enough to contain the Indians. We saw that happen in the Peshawar match, where Afridi did'nt bowl.
oh bhaii…yeah sab Younis Khan ke peeche haath dho kar kyoon pare hain. He has given great stability to our middle order. Why do you people wanna see him axed.
And rana naveed 
Apparently he provides “stability”, but he failed to take charge, as Xtreme said earlier, unable to finish the game.
I cant understand why some people want Yasir to come at number 3. He is a huge success as an opener in one dayers. Due to field restrictions, his gorgeous offside stroke play has been phenomenal and he struggled yesterday after first fifteen due to same reason. Not to say that he cannot score reasons after fifteen overs but he is at his best in first fifteen. I would never even consider such a thing.
Why u worried abt the charge. Why dont u look at the 50 50 run parterships hes being providing. Arite he dont go for any big shots but he's one of those who constantly keeps the score ticking by taking singles.
And for the charge we have Abdul Razzaq and Malik down the oder.
It would be a mistake if we change our batting order. The only thing we need to change is the opening position. Get rid of Afridi and bring in Farhat.
Yaasir has been a success as an opener but a good batsman like him will play just as well at no 3. The only reason I would put him down the order is to accomodate players of the calibre of Taufeeq or Farhat who have provided us with great opening stands after a long time. Younis Khan can fiddle some runs in the middle order it is true, but who can't? With the field set back it's fairly simple to turn the strike over but that's not what will enable us to match India's attacking strokeplay. We will need an explosive start in the first 15 overs like Sehwag and Tendulkar will provide. Imran Nazir and Taufeeq could do that.
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We will need an explosive start in the first 15 overs like Sehwag and Tendulkar will provide.
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Fast starts have been the whole difference between the two side's batting. We do a good job of thrashing the bowling at the end but that is more than compensated for by India's 120 in 15 over starts.
So, we need openers who can match the Indian top order's scoring pace without blind slogging, ie Afridi.
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Yaasir has been a success as an opener but a good batsman like him will play just as well at no 3. The only reason I would put him down the order is to accomodate players of the calibre of Taufeeq or Farhat who have provided us with great opening stands after a long time. Younis Khan can fiddle some runs in the middle order it is true, but who can't? With the field set back it's fairly simple to turn the strike over but that's not what will enable us to match India's attacking strokeplay. We will need an explosive start in the first 15 overs like Sehwag and Tendulkar will provide. Imran Nazir and Taufeeq could do that.
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Imran Farhat-Yasir Hameed has been a hugely successful opening combo and it wont be advisable to disturb it. We distrubed it only becasue we needed a sixth bowler but if we wanna bring a specialist opener back than Imran-Yasir combo should be back. They are talented enough to provide an explosive start. Yasir himself is doing that successfully. I see no need of demoting him down to number 3. His most prolific shot in the series has been square drive through the off side but after fifteen overs that area is covered. I agree he is smart enough to learn how to play at 3 but not in such matches. Taufeeq, if included, can play at number 3 or as situation demands replace moin who has been horrible with both bat and gloves in this serie. But then again its a pretty delicate decision. I personally am not in favor of playing a make-shift keeper rather than a regular one in such tense games.
Secondly its easier said than done that its easier to rotate the strike when field is set back. But in pressure situations like 89-3 in 25th its a different story altogether. I m pretty sure Younis is capable of big hitting as he has done against sri lanka and england in the past. But i will agree with you that its about time he takes responsibility rather than giving strike to inform batsmen.
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So, we need openers who can match the Indian top order's scoring pace without blind slogging, ie Afridi.
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Exactly my point. We have three players Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat and Yaasir Hameed who are ALL capable of answering fire with fire without blind slogging. Taufeeq himself is more than capable of taking it to the bowlers and is one of our gutsiest cricketers to boot.
It's worth noting that Indian batsmen never let us settle yesterday even after losing wickets. they were scoring at 7 an over right throughout the innings. We did that in the first game when India's mammoth total forced us out of our usual steady start strategy and we looked much better for it.
saby bhai, I thought Moin did okay with the gloves. no?
I'd really rather not play part-time keepers especially in a crunch match like this.
Younis Khan's job at no 5 should be to finish the match like Yuvraj Singh or Michael 'The Finisher' Bevan. If he can't do that then he's a second rate player just like his "never scored a ODI Century" record suggests. give that job to Yoyo and watch him spank the bowlers to kingdom come.
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saby bhai, I thought Moin did okay with the gloves. no?
I'd really rather not play part-time keepers especially in a crunch match like this.
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Well he has been below average. His only good performance with the gloves came in peshawar when he stopped two three delievers down the leg side, otherwise he doesnt look his old energetic self. And he was never OK with gloves, his batting improvisations made him the match winner he is.
But yes, like i said in my previuos post, i dont agree with the idea of part time keepers in such matches and as we dont have an option, moin should play and i hope he delievers.
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Exactly my point. We have three players Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat and Yaasir Hameed who are ALL capable of answering fire with fire without blind slogging. Taufeeq himself is more than capable of taking it to the bowlers and is one of our gutsiest cricketers to boot.
It's worth noting that Indian batsmen never let us settle yesterday even after losing wickets. they were scoring at 7 an over right throughout the innings. We did that in the first game when India's mammoth total forced us out of our usual steady start strategy.
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I don't know if Yasir is capable of scoring that fast. he really got tied down when Kartik came on last game. But Farhat and Nazir can sure hit the ball. Regarding Taufeeq, I agree with you the guy definitely has guts and I admire him for that but he's really not known for verstality and innovation which is a big requirement for ODI openers. So, I'd prefer Nazir or Farhat over Taufeeq.
What you wrote and I highlighted is just excellent strategy and brilliant cricket on part of India. Australia is damn good at that. I've seen Ponting come in a number of times and just attack the bowlers relentlessly regardless of how cheaply Gilly or Hayden were dismissed.
Pak batsmen's strategy might have worked in the Miandad era but times have changed. And we need the kind of starts that Sohail and Anwar used to give us routinely.
like yoyo did in the last 4 matches? 
Dude you either believe in a class player or you don’t. I was priveleged enough to see Yoyo destroying the Aussie attack in the closing stages of a World Cup match - and when you see Warne and Mcgrath being hammered for sixes you know the guy can deliver 
Youhana is a proven champ. Yes, he has done poorly this series but he has a fine record in pressure matches and a knack for rising to the occasion. I’m sure he’ll do it again.