Re: 5 Differences between the Mujahideen and the 15 British Sailors
I see people fighting for land or for political interests? btw do you consider the junjaweed mujahideen too? what about the death squads in baghdad?
The junjaweed are Arabs who exterminate African Muslims...nothing Islamic about them...and those who fight the occupier to protect their Muslim brothers in Iraq are fine...the sectarian stuff isnt...
what is muslim land? what is non mulim land? this is an interesting discussion because using te logic of land belonging to people of different faith you may end up in a situation that a particular part of land actually belongs to druids, zoroastrians, etc.
Muslim land is anywhere we have ruled past or present under shariah...
*so the mujahideen were not mujahideen they were not fighting for god but for US and for their own political interests? so tell me why did they do so in the name of islam and hoodwink the automatons to serve as war fodder? that is the problem with these 'mujahideen' being jahil. *
In this case i agree with yo uthere is hoodwinking...people were led to believe that the athiest soviets were an enemy to Islam and that was the basis on how they were convinced to fight...for no moment do i believe in that instance that the leadership was sincere but i think many of those who fought were...
Pakistan told those idiot taleban to think logically, and they would not. Pakistan was one of the few countries that were actively advising US not to attack and trying to convince taleban to hand over OBL. But when it became the issue of Pakistan;s interests at stake because of taleban, fine let them deal with what they have to deal with.
They prioritised Pakistans interests thats the point...Afghans are brothers too in theory...so the Muslims didnt protect their own in that instance...they protected themsleves as Pakistanis...They sold out part of their Ummah...
as I said, utilize the wealth of information easily accessible and see how much aid the palestinians got and from what countries..I am talking official govt aid and not private donations
Ok thats correct but besides Iran and some Saudi help its manly Arab expats isnt it...and funding is one thing military assistance is another...if they helped their own then the Palestinians wouldnt need funding and neither would they need suicide bombers...
I would suggest that all are fighting for land and political interests, even if they say they are fighting for God. How is a suicide bomber killing innocent civilians in israel fighting for God? how are the chechens who gassed a bunch of innocent ppl fighting for God? they are fighting for their political autonomy and all. Not Islam.
Political autonomy and defending Muslim land neednt be mutually exclusive...and whos innocent...its a land of war...last time i checked its innocents when its western deaths and collateral damage when its Muslim deaths...i dont know specifics on hostage taking etc Islamically but i have absolutely no problem with bombing military...and when your army wont do it then yiu have to take matters into your own hands or strap it to your chest...like i said defending and protecting your own...
although the war really ended after US decided that what was going on was too much and started bombing the serbs...remember that?
Fair point but that doesnt detract from the fact that all Muslims of all types were fighting to protect their Muslim brothers in Kosovo...
These are the same people mostly whom you earlier described as people fighting for their master USA and not god? right?
just because someone thinks and says that he is fighting for god, does not mean he is now does it?
Again im not one to judge indivudals...Afghans now are genuinely fighting occupation...and chechnya is fighting anti Muslim Russian forces...Helping your Muslim brothers against enemy forces is Jihad...
PLO was a nationalist organization, Hamas was supported by none other than Israel to give palestinians another venue and break PLO's stronghold. secondly if hamas was so concerned with Islam and not land, why would thet limit themselves to that part of land.
Have you got a source for Hamas being Israeli led cos the PLO was a lot more in Israels pocket than Hamas traditionally...PLO was the nationalist organisation you said and recognised Israel...Hamas didnt cos its Muslim land not Jewish land...their intention is to bring shariah to Palestine...just cos you pick a place doesnt make you nationalist...groups work to overthrow governments in every Muslim country in the hope of implementing shariah...with the Palestinians they fight an occupation rather than actively work towards a state but that is the end idea...although joining the PA is a big step backward the premise of the group is sound...
diplomacy with opponents reminds me of sulah e huadibya, dont think that was cowardly, but a smart move.
and ...these fighters..they are then justified in killing innocent civilians??
Theres diplomacy and then there is compromise...all we do is compromise and get bullied into doing what we are told...