44% of Americans support curbing of Muslim Rights!

Society Pakistan & World Affairs
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Disturbing

This is disturbing for someone like myself who held very pro American views and opinions. It makes me re-evaluate everything (inc. my career plans as they involved the US).

I ask you US based ppl if any legislation acting of this survey is likely or possible in the near future.

How do you live there with such wide spread dislike and distrust of Muslims and Islam?

Moving on, whats Canada like on this issue?

We all know they are more in tune with reality then Americans. What career paths are open there?

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abay kitnee dafa post karo gay.. already two threads are open discussing the same 'news'..

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i think so far 4 people have posted same news over and over! :)

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I think what a lot of people, especially abroad, fail to realize that the Nation of Islam is what most people are exposed to in the United States not mainstream Islam. As far as the teachings go, they seem to be equal to the worldwide teachings with a few exceptions.

Historically, the Nation of Islam was founded here during a time when the country outlawed slavery and had some serious segregation issues. It was a militant group that focused on Black (Afro-American today) pride and strength and helped create a lot of reform and unity in the United States among the Afro-Amercians. At that time, it preached hatred and shunning of any white people or even light-skinned interracial people, which was self-preservation then. But that seperatist attitude is still taught and enforced now. Elijah Mohammad (founder) is also seen as a prophet by this sect.

Among our society today, "jailhouse muslims" (a slur and reference to where most are recruited) are abundant. Jailhouse muslims are the ones that curse every other word, whose women move aside the veil to smoke their cigarettes (Saturday, my daughter was shocked as one flipped it over her head to drink orange juice on the subway), have seven kids trailing them from four different men, try to sell stolen merchandise at cut rate prices, and on and on.

Of course these are the muslims that stand out and are the ones that people remember. Just like a nun would if she was cursing or smoking.

My husband was born in Pakistan and has been a Muslim all his life. When he started working here in American and came in contact with most of these people, he was dismayed.

There is a big difference in the way he lives his life and his beliefs from the Americanized version most people here in America are exposed to. If you ask an American here about Muslims, most will bring up examples of Nation of Islam and assume that the rest of the world is the same.

I have met, gone to college with, worked with Nation of Islam people and there are a few great people that are close to me and my family. But unfortunately, there are those that wear the clothes and quote from scripture, but live as far from the techings as they can in attitude and in example.

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Canada is against ethnic profiling of any kind. We have RCMP taking care of issues locally.

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*Originally posted by smooth_guy: *
Canada is against ethnic profiling of any kind. We have RCMP taking care of issues locally.
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SO is KKK. They are totally against any race that is non-white.

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land of the free eh :hehe:

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yeah and specially you brownies :hehe:

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by smooth_guy: *
Canada is against ethnic profiling of any kind. We have RCMP taking care of issues locally.
[/QUOTE]

I think Canada is the best place for Muslims who want to come to the West. Europe is even worse than America with their hijab bans and all. They want to shut down Muslim immigration and want the current Muslims to embrace the culture of their new country. They are actually afraid of losing their cultural identity as Europe.

Canada, on the other hand, is a land of milk and honey that is ripe for the taking. Unlike Europe or even U.S., Canada has no real culture or traditions of its own and the native population is very small in number and very liberal. Its a vast land with low population and great economic potential (their dollar has come up vs. the U.S. dollar). They have a lot of jobs. They'll take anyone with a pulse to come and work in Canada and they are welcoming muslims with open arms. They are even willing to allow Shariah courts for muslims!! Even some muslim countries (i.e. Turkey) do not have Shariah courts! On top of it all, Canada will not fight with anyone. So, unlike living in U.S., Britain or even Pakistan... where a muslim has to worry about whether or not his work (tax $), etc is going to be used to finance the war against fellow muslim brothers, that is not a worry in Canada. Canada is the best place in the world for muslims!

CANADASTAN ZINDABAD!!

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Mind you this was a poll of 714 people, not close to the 300,000,000 that live in the U.S.

The thread title is very misleading.

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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
Mind you this was a poll of 714 people, not close to the 300,000,000 that live in the U.S.

The thread title is very misleading.
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UTD you are right.

I didn't conduct a poll, but my lunch buddy is an all white American boy (that comes accross as KKK, but is a very nice decent fella), and I asked him without telling him about the details about the poll, to see what his reaction would be. He right off told me that dude
a: That poll doesn't mean shyte.
b: People in U.S don't care about Muslims the way media plays it out.
He elaborated on b: by saying "Verizon most people in US go home and shut themselves off from the world, they don't even watch news, except you, you are an exception and I dont know why, you are so fu*&^ing into news man, don't you have a life or something go kick a ball with your kid bro."
I then told him about the poll and he said, what did I tell ya. He then promptly invited me for a pigfest that he is having in his backyard for christmas.

Happy Holidays Ya'all

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People call you Verizon at work?

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^ UTD, can you hear him now?

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by underthedome: *
People call you Verizon at work?
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No. But I dont wanna give up my identity I am working in cognito UTD.

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Wait a second, I have a little bit of problem with the poll and the conclusions. Here is what it says:

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

1) 27 % say that Muslim Americans should be registered? That means a vast majority DON"T. 73% do NOT want Muslims registered.

2) 22% favor "racial profiling". Frankly I favor "profiling". Near as I can tell, Norwegians are very little threat to the US. Ditto with elderly Japanese women. So why should these people be yanked out of line and frisked to maintain political correctness? Isn't that a collossal waste of money and manpower? How about this? Any one who is identified as an "additional risk" shall have additional surveilance. For the most part that would mean foreign nationals travelling in the US. It would also mean members of white militias if they were deemed to be a significant threat.

3) Infiltrating Muslim organizations? Sure, if they are deemed to be a threat! Does that mean everyones neighborhood mosque is going to have some FBI dude hanging out? No, but the Mosque of the Blind shiek in New Jersey was a hot bed of political hate. It was distinctly connected to the first attempted WTC bombing. Why not infiltrate this mosque if there were sufficient suspicion to do it? We do not infiltrate every Pizza joint looking for Mafioso, but presicely targeted Iralian American establishments were infiltrated all the time. Shjoot, if you could prove to me that some Catholic parish was a hot bed of crime and corruption, go on in and infiltrate that!

I think, that the authors have somewhat exagerated the findings of the survey, and have thrown about the buzz words like "racial profiling" to make a point. Like any survey, it is pointed in a direction that the authors wish to steer. Did they ask the respondents, "Would you be willing to have your place of worship infiltrated if there were reason to beleive that there were terrorist plans being made?" In other words, would YOU be willing to give up YOUR liberties to provide greater security. This type of question would have isolated the "Muslim Factor", and established a basis on which people were willing to persecute others, but not themeselves....

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*Originally posted by haroon2004: *

I think Canada is the best place for Muslims who want to come to the West. Europe is even worse than America with their hijab bans and all. They want to shut down Muslim immigration and want the current Muslims to embrace the culture of their new country. They are actually afraid of losing their cultural identity as Europe.

Canada, on the other hand, is a land of milk and honey that is ripe for the taking. Unlike Europe or even U.S., Canada has no real culture or traditions of its own and the native population is very small in number and very liberal. Its a vast land with low population and great economic potential (their dollar has come up vs. the U.S. dollar). They have a lot of jobs. They'll take anyone with a pulse to come and work in Canada and they are welcoming muslims with open arms. They are even willing to allow Shariah courts for muslims!! Even some muslim countries (i.e. Turkey) do not have Shariah courts! On top of it all, Canada will not fight with anyone. So, unlike living in U.S., Britain or even Pakistan... where a muslim has to worry about whether or not his work (tax $), etc is going to be used to finance the war against fellow muslim brothers, that is not a worry in Canada. Canada is the best place in the world for muslims!

CANADASTAN ZINDABAD!!
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Let me correct one thing here. Canadian job market has been better than US in last two years. But this month and the future projection is not looking promising. However Canada is much stronger and developed as compare to eight years ago.

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I dont know, why people are getting their panties in a bunch. If you have gotten your Green card or Citizenship recently i.e. post 9/11. They already know where you live. SO rest easy you are already registered.

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I see the good points some ppl here are making. But the news was just startling that all.

I mean I do, (well did!), associate America with a sense of fair play and you innocent until proven guilty. When you read such news, its hard not to be taken aback.

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  1. Registration. I am opposed to registration of Muslim American citizens. I am in favor of registration for any and all those foreigners admitted to the US under student Visas and the like. They have been admitted for a particular purpose and registration and monitoring seems like a good way to make sure they are doing the things they were admitted to do. This applies to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. If they are not living where they have registerred to live, then chances are good they're up to no good and should be found.

  2. Racial Profiling. I've got to agree with Ohio Guy here. Everyone should be scrutinized at our borders and in our airports. But, I see nothing wrong with increasing the level of scrutiny for people who fit certain profiles even if part of the profile involves race or nationailty. It's just plain a waste of resources to have 90 year old Nanny Annie from White Bear Lake Minnesota go through a full body search just because she was the 10th person to randomly pass through a particular checkpoint.

  3. Infiltration. I can't see how anyone should complain about the government planting an undercover agent in any organization. Every college campus in the country probably has a few informants or agents working amongst the coeds and/or faculty. Show me 1000 members pulled at random from the membership list of PETA and I'll show you at least one federal agent/informer.

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ok OG and MV, basically you both are saying that on airports only Muslim men from ages 18-50 should be given searches?