3 countries that could not survive for long without US generosity

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Guess who?

COUNTRY AID PURPOSE

  1. Israel $2.4 billion Virtually all of this money is used to buy weapons (up to 75% made in the U.S.). Beginning in 2009, the U.S. plans to give $30 billion over 10 years.
  2. Egypt $1.7 billion $1.3 billion to buy weapons; $103 million for education; $74 million for health care; $45 million to promote civic participation and human rights.
  3. Pakistan $798 million $330 million for security efforts, including military-equipment upgrades and border security; $20 million for infrastructure.

PARADE Magazine | Who gets U.S. Foreign Aid?

I love the hypocrisy against Israel from Pakistanis.

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but our Pita Jee Donor aka US is itself in need of donation .If you say, should i request GOP to help Americans in this time of need .After all we are old buddies of them. :slight_smile:

Citi today gave birth to 2 children after 9 billion $ loss in this Q4 while Intel says 90% reduction in sales .Seriously Pakisan shold help US in this critical time dear Waahid Doyum , i am so sad about all this situation :frowning:

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Circuit City to Close 150 Stores, Cut Jobs? - InsideTech.com

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Are you comparing Circuit City to the country of Pakistan? IF US is in bad shape, Pakistan is in 10 times worse shape.

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We are facing it for 60 years, not a new thing for us, but those Prince and Princess who are unaware of the word poverty and job cut should know what they did with africa and asia via World bank and IMF.Let Zionist system should eat its own apple for their evil acts

its not just CC , here is a list of only today in Chigago Tribune

Associated Press
January 17, 2009

Associated Press

Employers announced a total of nearly 40,000 job cuts Friday, the bulk of them at Circuit City Stores Inc., which announced it was closing all its U.S. stores at the cost of 34,000 jobs.

Companies announcing job cuts Friday include:

•Advanced Micro Devices Inc., which plans to get rid of 1,100 positions, 9 percent of its global staff. The chipmaker also will slash pay for top managers by 15 percent, other salaried workers by 10 percent and hourly workers' salaries by 5 percent.

•Rental car company Hertz Global Holdings Inc., which is eliminating 4,000 jobs, about 12 percent of its workforce worldwide, as families and business travelers forgo trips.

•Indianapolis-based insurer WellPoint Inc., which is cutting about 1,500 jobs, or 3.5 percent of its staff, with rising unemployment leading to fewer people with health insurance.

•Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, which this year will eliminate up to 1,000 jobs, or more than 10 percent of its workforce. It also is requesting rate increases for some of its health insurance customers.

•Drug company Pfizer Inc., which may cut nearly a third of its 8,000 salespeople, according to various media reports.

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And i am sickened by your hate for Pakistanis.

Dude, for how long has Pakistan been receiving the aid, since it started the war against Taliban, to help protect US forces in Afghanistan. And since how long is Israel receiving the aid, few decades now, with virtually no service to US.

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Egypt and Pakistan true but not so for Israel

Israel uses that money to invest in joint Weapons research with USA

Thats why Israel is a global leader in weapons production, software, medical, pharmaceutical research, agriculture and irrigation…

Egypt and Pakistan just use that money and give it back to USA to buy its weapons

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History of US aid to Pakistan … since 1951 … this does not include the “military aid” … which has been substantial …

USAID/Pakistan: History of USAID in Pakistan

From a modest beginning in 1951, U.S. bilateral assistance to Pakistan grew to almost $400 million a year in the early 1960s

As the single largest donor ($712 million, or 31 percent of all contributions) to the Indus Basin Development project, the United States played a leading role in the construction of the Mangle and Tarbela dams. The dams continue to make significant contributions to Pakistan’s energy and agricultural sectors today.

The 1982-1987 phase of U.S. assistance to Pakistan was a milestone in U.S.-Pakistan relations. Cooperation between the two countries was close as they negotiated a $1.62 billion program in 1981

About 55 percent of the 1982-87 programs were purely grants, and the remainder consisted of soft loans, or loans with generous repayment terms. Given the generosity of the terms of these loans and the high percentage of grants throughout that period, U.S. assistance was the most concessional of any major donor. The economic assistance program planned for 1988-1993 had even more generous terms

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Nonsense…
Israel is an imperialist pseudo super power, which is guilty of breaking international law and ignoring the rights of millions. It has a powerful lobby working on its behalf to force every American politician of worth, to grovel before it and shine its shoes. It imposes itself on the world by constantly hanging the guilt of holocaust over anyone who might disagree with the Zionist state.

Pakistan, a country that from its inception was forced into a corner from which it has yet to get out off. And unlike with Israel, which has money thrown at its feet, Pakistan has had to deal with sanctions, and outright injustice in its US relationship. Currently, Pak is struggling to fight a war on the behalf of a foreign power, which more then likely, will exit as soon as they have a chance and Pak will be left in the corner again.
Israel ofcourse can always expect support for whatever they do. Infact, unlike Pak, Israel can expect both diplomatic and financial help, aswell as Military support in the unlikely case that they end up on the losing end of a battle.

Where is the comparison? Just because they both recieve money from the US is meanigless.
I love it when people try to sell remotely coherant comparisons and try to pass them off as insight…

Commitment..
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^^^

OK before the knifes come out, or AK47 are fired on this thread posters, it is time to calm down and ask ourselves a simple question.

How many countries can survive WITHOUT US Aid or TrAID (ok trade for you dictionary folks).

The whole Asian tiger phenomenon is utterly dependent on USA, its walmarts and Kmarts.

People who look too deeply on purely AID as "handout" are myopic to the highest degree.

Why US doesn't give $5 billion a year to Uganda? or Kazakhstan?

The reasons is that Uganda and Kazakhstan cannot provide the military or geo strategic services to the USA.

It is preferable that Pakistan does 10 times more TrAID with USA and 10 times less AID.

However AID is not Bakhsheesh. You have got to work for US AID. And as an individual you may not realize the finer aspects of the deals until you work for the USA AID "agency". .

Having said that, USA being the sole superpower has to set up local sheriffs and give them money for the services.

Israel and Egypt are the local Sheriffs of Western Mideast. And they get mutually agreed upon money for their services.

Pakistan is the sheriff for the Eastern Middle East, and Western South Asia. Many Pakistanis including those who are settled in the USA are unwilling to be the Sheriff. But Pak army and ruling elite know this is important. This internal conflict in Pakistan results in half-hearted services and in return USA too signs half hearted deals.

Remember this, during the recent financial crisis, USA didn't want to give cash $$ to Zardari possibly due to his reputation.

Guess what even Saudi Arabia refused to give $$$ to Zardari even though Zardari made so many umrahs.

So Pakistanis and Indians and Chinese must realize who is calling the shots in the world right now and who holds the "purse". Doesn't matter if the purse is losing money or gaining money. It is the guy who holds the purse, calls the shots.

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Fact: Pakistan is living on handouts from the US almost since it was created.

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Incorrect fact.

Fact: Pakistan received aid from US for some of its projects "since it was created".

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Man. WD! that is a low blow even for a good guy like you. What happened? Why this self-loathing?

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It's not self loathing. It's facing the reality of the situation and Pakistan's geopolitical prostitution driven by mad men like Zia that has landed us in the situation we find ourselves today.

While we obsess about the circumstances of Israel's continued existence, we don't want to look at our own.

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Your attitude in #2 is a proof of #1 (for any Pakistani). Only anti-pakistan Hinduists would relish using such terms. You disagree with your own country's policies. That's fine. People generally reserve these derogatory terms for other countries not their own.

Zia and Ayub and Bhutto all played their part and so did every other country head. Using the words like prostitution is counterproductive.

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wow i didnt know that pakistan would be on the list.

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**The war we are facing in Lahore,Rawalpindi ,Islamabad,Swat and Peshawar is likely to be fought in New York,Washington,Chigago,Boston and California. Our economy is suffered from Rs 2 trillion loss due to investment,tourism and infra-structure loss of industry. 1500 soldiers including Lt General is martyerd in this war. If we have not stopped these monsters ,killed them or 600+ of Al-Qaeda handed over to them, 2 or 3 or even more 9/11 have already been occured in US/UK etc.

Pray for Pakistan Army and Pakistan people what they are sacrificing for US and to the whole world at expense of thier own life and economy.As when we first saved US and Europe from Red Army brutal invasions in whole Eastern Europe and Asia by engaging them in Afghanistan.Still someone gives us name of beggar of US aid which is just peanut what we are suffering in this fight.**

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I am surprised people say this and yet forget what happened in history. What happened in 1990? What happened in 1998? Weren't we under sanctions? Weren't we getting absolutely no support from the US? Yet we are still here.

Whatever you are smoking it is really bad stuff. Find another coke dealer.

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1990 was the worst case when Pakistan fought the biggest guerilla war of human history shattered Red Bear ,faced 40 million afghan migration ,ruined our society with drugs and ammunition and they ran away right from battle field without even knowing what would the consequence of 80,000 Mujhadeen nurtured by them and so finally they in form of Al-Qaeda started cahllenging the injust policies of US in Middle East and still today we are facing it

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Ameen.

Armies sacrifice for their own land. FYI. Bajore is not a USA territory. Even if it was one, any Pakistani soldier fighting there would be fighting for the Pakistani GHQ decision. And those decision are always in national interest, no matter how hard Islamists and Indians try to say otherwise.

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How much we are suffering !!!

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8,000 dead: is the world aware?
By Muhammad Ali Siddiqi
Dawn

Monday, 26 Jan, 2009
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THE statistics are numbing and mind-boggling and should make any Pakistani sit up: in 2008 the country saw 2,148 terrorist attacks, which caused 6,825 casualties — 2,267 of them fatal.

Suicide attacks alone killed nearly 1,000 people — 967 to be precise — and wounded or maimed for life over 2,000. Of the 63 suicide attacks countrywide, the highest — 32 — occurred in the NWFP, killing and wounding over 1,000 Pakistanis; 10 in Punjab (201, dead, 580 injured), and 16 in Fata (263 dead, 497 injured).

Compiled by the Pakistan Institute for Peace Studies, these statistics do not include those who fell in ‘operational attacks’. According to the think-tanks’ report for 2008, more than 5,500 people were killed or injured in operational attacks (a minimum of 3,182 dead and 2,267 wounded).

What is scary is the steady rise over the years in the number of terrorist attacks and the consequent increase in casualties. In 2006, terrorist attacks left 907 dead and 1,543 injured; in 2007 there was a quantum jump in the figure for the dead — 3,448.

If to those killed in acts of terrorism we add those who died in operational attacks, sectarian and factional clashes and US drone attacks, the total number of civilians and security personnel killed in 2008 comes to a morbid 8,000, with the number of the injured approaching 10,000. The grand total for 2008, thus, comes to 18,000 Pakistani people getting killed or injured in acts of political violence.

Is the world aware of this Pakistani trauma? Going by the doubts cast on our commitment to fight terrorism and the ‘do more’ litany one doubts if we have been able to inform the world what this country and its people have been going through for years. In fact, it appears as if, barring US Vice President Joe Biden and Senator Richard Lugar in America and Foreign Secretary David Miliband in Britain, very few top personalities in the policymaking apparatus in the western world seem to be aware of Pakistan’s plight and the scourge which terrorism has become for us Pakistanis in our daily lives.

Our post-Mumbai diplomatic effort has not been all disaster. It did indeed succeed in convincing the world diplomatic community that Islamabad was not involved in the Mumbai crime. However, Pakistan’s advocacy of its case was characterised by diffidence. It failed to show our justifiable anger over India’s attempt to obfuscate the issue, and often we appeared to be pleading rather than telling.

Has India suffered anything even remotely resembling Pakistan’s trauma as seen in the cold statistics above? The answer is no, but the world evidently doesn’t think so. What the world does is to view the situation in terms of the ‘safe haven’ which is supposed to exist in Fata and elsewhere for the Taliban. That deprives us of the sympathy we deserve.

Luckily for Pakistan, and thanks to the Indian leaders’ obsessions, New Delhi bungled the job from its point of view. India, it became obvious to the world, was seeking international help not against terrorism but for advancing its national interests at Pakistan’s expense. It could have garnered world sympathy if in the aftermath of the Mumbai crisis New Delhi had worked patiently, curbed its anti-Pakistan instincts, focused on terrorism and refrained from launching a diplomatic and media drive aimed at isolating Pakistan. Instead it went over to an unthinking offensive that backfired, Miliband’s plain-speaking coming as a shock to India.

Pakistan must stay the course. The anti-American lobby’s slogans are catchy but hollow. Pulling out of the war on terror could do incalculable damage to Pakistan’s security concerns and come as a godsend for our enemies. Prejudices have no place in the conduct of war and foreign policy. Pakistan cannot afford to be without allies, even if the behaviour of some of our allies doesn’t come up to our expectations, just as ours doesn’t up to theirs. With the change in the White House, we need to exercise greater care and watch. Initial moves aren’t discouraging. The Biden-Lugar bill isn’t everything, but it does show an inkling of the new administration’s mind.

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