well realistically speaking ... Pak has no hope in the upcoming world cup unless and until they get new players in the team! Enough of Waqar Yunis now! Kick his arse out of the team for heavens sake .. he is too old to even hold the ball properly!
Moin Khan:
TESTS
(including 15/03/2001)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 63 95 7 2493 117* 28.32 **3** **15** 114 20
ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS
(including 28/02/2001)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 190 159 35 2853 69* 23.00 **81.07** 0 **9** 191 66
Get a hint?
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*Originally posted by *Zaalim: *
Moin Khan:
TESTS
(including 15/03/2001)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 63 95 7 2493 117* 28.32 **3** **15** 114 20
ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS
(including 28/02/2001)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 190 159 35 2853 69* 23.00 **81.07** 0 **9** 191 66
Get a hint?
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does this tat include how many crucial catches and stumpings has he missed??? i guess not, I can tell you many crucial catches he dropped and they had an impact the match!! and i can even tel you how many of his catches relly helped pakistan! ??
and i can cmpare those cathces droppe dfrom Rashid's dropped catches and mpossible cathes he took that helped pakistan win macehs :)
Should i?? or shouldnt i?? If gyou guys say i will :)
Rashid might just be marginally better keeper than Moin, but that is just about it. Moin is a much better batsmen and also is a good captain and does inspire his team. As for Rashid, Saby bhai you keep talking about his one innings in the first match, what about the other three. I dont think he deserves to be in the team ahead of Moin on just being a marginally better wicket keeper.
Rashid has also fumbled at cruical moments, the one to remember was his performance in Dhaka a few years back when he was the captain and Pakistan lost the match to India after scoring over 300 runs in 50 overs. The main reason for the loss was his poor wicket keeping in that match. Now I am not saying that this makes him a poor wicket keeper, but all the keepers have bad days.
Overall, Moin is much better.
Just my thoughts.
Moin takes the field regardless of whether he is fit or not. He got hit on the eye and couldnt see anything yet he kept wickets. He had knee problems in the world cup and took pain killers but still played and was the star of the 99 cup for Pakistan.
Latif is a little whiner who is in the team only because he kisses waqars butt.He should have been out of the team ages ago.
59 and 53---yuch.
All of them should go.
Play..
Saeed Anwar
Taufeeq Umar
Mohammad Wasim
Yousef Youhana
Imran Farhat
Faisal Iqbal
Moin Khan
Wasim Akram CAPTAIN
Mushtaq Ahmed
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhter
at least they'll put up a fight unlike the likes of waqar, nazir, razzaq who look scared each time an aussie runs in to bowl to them.
same goes for younis khan who played like 1 8 yr old.
There is no doubt Latif is better than Moin keeping wise but if you want to put Pakistan's interest, than Moin should be picked over Latif. Rashid has been consistent since he has joined the side but he hasn't done wonders for the team, and he wasn't that special in the first test.
Or we may just have a choice for playing both, Moin as a batsman/captain.
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*Originally posted by ehsan: *
Rashid might just be marginally better keeper than Moin, but that is just about it. Moin is a much better batsmen and also is a good captain and does inspire his team. As for Rashid, Saby bhai you keep talking about his one innings in the first match, what about the other three. I dont think he deserves to be in the team ahead of Moin on just being a marginally better wicket keeper.
Rashid has also fumbled at cruical moments, the one to remember was his performance in Dhaka a few years back when he was the captain and Pakistan lost the match to India after scoring over 300 runs in 50 overs. The main reason for the loss was his poor wicket keeping in that match. Now I am not saying that this makes him a poor wicket keeper, but all the keepers have bad days.
Overall, Moin is much better.
Just my thoughts.
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Ehsan bhai i agre and if you cited this example of Rashid i can also cite many examples regarding Moin where his keeping let us down! and even with the bat in past year Rashid has played many face saving innings for pakistan, i can cite them too ! And Rashid keeping won us many matches... just to name one, his keeping in last test match against England Last year and specially the catch he took off trescothick!!
about his keeping,
Mr Ian Healy says he is the best Wicket-keeper batsman in the world !
Mr Micheal holding says he can take catehs other keepers can only dream of!
And his batting average in last year is 49!
i Agree that Moin has played memorable innings but since so long he wasnt doing anything neither with bat nor with gloves !
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*Originally posted by Sherlock: *
Moin takes the field regardless of whether he is fit or not. He got hit on the eye and couldnt see anything yet he kept wickets. He had knee problems in the world cup and took pain killers but still played and was the star of the 99 cup for Pakistan.
Latif is a little whiner who is in the team only because he kisses waqars butt.He should have been out of the team ages ago.
59 and 53---yuch.
All of them should go.
Play..
Saeed Anwar
Taufeeq Umar
Mohammad Wasim
Yousef Youhana
Imran Farhat
Faisal Iqbal
Moin Khan
Wasim Akram CAPTAIN
Mushtaq Ahmed
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhter
at least they'll put up a fight unlike the likes of waqar, nazir, razzaq who look scared each time an aussie runs in to bowl to them.
same goes for younis khan who played like 1 8 yr old.
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Sherlock hamstring problem which Rashid has and kneee problwm which Moin had are a lot different .. Inzimam had kneee problems and he kept playing for 6 months with that problem so its possible to take field with them.. Not iwth hamstring, Ask Shoaib who pulled them may times
I doubt PCB will call Saeed and if Youhana is fit they should consider him for the 3rd test and for sure kick the openers. Imran Nazir for sure, the guy had enough chances.
I don't understand why PCB gives our player so many chances before finally deciding to kick em out and I wonder why PCB keep praising the senior players if they are out of forms such as Waqar.
I see a lot of ppl talking about Rashid is better then Moin, well he could be marginally better as a keeper (as Ehsan bhai pointed out) but I would prefer Moin. I used to think the same way that Rashid is a better keeper so he should stay but Ehsan bhai pointed out you don't really need a brilliant keeper in the side instead a normal keeper but a good batsman. For example Dravid from india, Gilli from Aus. they are in the team not because they are keeper that could be but main reason is they can bat as well as keeping.
Those who are saying Rashid should stay just because Moin droped few catches in few of the cruital matches well would you prefere to lose a match with humiliations or you would rather lose a match with good fight. Then you guys talk about having 6 full time batsmen in the side as the Aussies. Well if Moin had been in the side we could have gone in with 6 full time batsmen and I think its appropriate to say he could have save us the humiliation.
I can't understand how suddenly Rashid is being seen as a villain. If there is a single player with satisfactory record within the team, its Rashid.
Sherlock obviously has no idea what s/he is talking abt, and i think its all emotions doing the talk.
Batting and fitness issue put aside, Rashid has what Moin doesn't.
I have met both Rashid and Moin personally. Rashid came to NZ while leading PAkistan 'A' in 1998/99. And Moin came as a leader of the 2000 side to NZ. I noticed a major difference between the attitude and motives of both these players.
Rashid is an admirable player with a talent matched by only few around the world. It is his age that holds him back a little, but overall he should be prefered over Moin anyday.
59 and 53
I think pakistan should make a point of not playing with australia anymore.... they have terrorized our batsmen enough.... its our war against cricket terrorism...we need to build a coalition against this and boycott australia..the time has come to root out this evil.
Wanted: Shane Warne Dead or Alive
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*Originally posted by Surdar Asif: *
I can't understand how suddenly Rashid is being seen as a villain. If there is a single player with satisfactory record within the team, its Rashid.
Sherlock obviously has no idea what s/he is talking abt, and i think its all emotions doing the talk.
Batting and fitness issue put aside, Rashid has what Moin doesn't.
I have met both Rashid and Moin personally. Rashid came to NZ while leading PAkistan 'A' in 1998/99. And Moin came as a leader of the 2000 side to NZ. I noticed a major difference between the attitude and motives of both these players.
Rashid is an admirable player with a talent matched by only few around the world. It is his age that holds him back a little, but overall he should be prefered over Moin anyday.
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chalo atleast one knows what am i talking about!!
Listen Guys, Everyone who supports Rashid (like me ) cnnot be against Moin! I admit he has been a great performer for Pakistan over the years! But Before replacing Rashid, one has to see his stats since coming back in the tem and specially in Batting!
Anyways If moin ccomes back in the team , i will not be against him and i hope he does well , but will be saod for Rashid whois the only player who can claim to be consistent during last 2 years :)...
c'mon guyz, Rashid is wayyyyyyyyyy better than that chatter box Moin, who was all abt team politics, and performing when in his interest etc. And he is not good enough anymore anyways......
I agree that age is holding Rashid back a lil and may b its time to try new blood. We have two talented keepers: Kamral Akmal- an aggressive opener- and Humayun Farhat- who's an aggressive lower order.
Noway should they bring Moin back. he suc big time
OH man… this is pathetic… gosh…
53-59 oh come on… 
Pakistan needs 
lolz
Pakistan should be given FOUR innings(i.e. 2 more) to bat in TEST MATCHES. But I wonder if even that would have saved PAK from an innings defeat in this test match.
http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sk/news/reuters/20021013/reu-pakistanpress20021013.html
**Sharjah test defeat a disgrace, say Pakistani newspapers **
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani newspapers have described their national team’s second test debacle in Sharjah as a disgrace and an “ignominious rout”.
Australia swept to victory by an innings and 198 runs on Saturday with more than three days to spare after Pakistan were dismissed for a match total of just 112 runs – the fourth worst in test history.
“Pakistan’s ignominious rout” were the words chosen by The Nation newspaper, whose cricket correspondent went on to lambast his countrymen.
“No other team has plumbed such depths in the last half a century and more, and this display of spineless batting on a wicket which, as the Australians had amply demonstrated, held no demons,” Agha Akbar wrote from Sharjah, United Arab Emirates.
Pakistan’s first innings of 59 on Friday was a record low for the country in a test, but that mark lasted for only one day. After Australia had made 310 in reply, Pakistan were skittled for just 53 in their second innings.
“It was simply pathetic, and that too on a wicket favouring batsmen,” reported the Dawn newspaper.
It went on to describe Pakistan’s defeat in the second test of three as the “sons of the soil betraying the nation’s faith in them”.
The newspaper criticised the Pakistan Cricket Board for not nurturing enough young players at under-19 and “A” team level.
“By asking the young players to face world champions Australia head on without being battle-hardened and experienced, the PCB has done a great disservice to them,” reported Dawn.
The Urdu-language newspaper Nawa-e-Waqt, was less forgiving, describing the two-day defeat as “horrific”.
“The ouster in the second innings for 53 runs proves (either) that the team entirely collapsed under Australian pressure or that the Australian bowlers had hypnotised the batsmen,” it said.
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Pakistan should be given FOUR innings(i.e. 2 more) to bat in TEST MATCHES. But I wonder if even that would have saved PAK from an innings defeat in this test match.
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In that sense, Indians should be given 5 innings to bowl out the other side, so they might actually have a chance of winning a match outside home.