The batsmen are performing but there is no team chemistry.For instance
If youhanna plays a good inning then other batsmen like Inzi younis fails.All of them have perfromed nicely but lacked a good support from other batsmen.
Well you cant say Youhanna ,inzi, younis ,our heart and soul of the batting line up,perfromed miserable. They showed why they a great. All we need is a good team chemistry.
I'm not worried with our bowling lineup. I belived our bowling had cost us the game. We didnt have many options in the bowling in this series.
If salim Elahi can struggle in tests then it is obvious that he can't be effective in ODI.His shot selections are very poor. He is not a solid player infact a waste of a player.
I observed Taufiq through out the series and boy he proved his critics wrong. He has such a great temperament and can be really dangerous at times. I love the way he smack talk wiht opposing teams. He deosnt take sh!t from anyone. He was being enticed by so many fast bowlers and did handle them very well! infact too well for a 21 year old guy. He means business!
Weakness: Taufiq is very very vulnerable in the first 10 ten overs but I believe if he is given more exposure he can overcome this weakness. He is not a big hitter. he can be effective only when opening in ODI
Well I wont jump into any conclusions. Don't forget we didnt bring full strength squad. . With the inclusion of Razzaq,wasim ,shaoib,Rashid latif and hoepfully Anwar it will be a totally different ball game. The good news is four of the batsmen are begining to find form. Even though they didnt play a long innings but showed some flashes of excellence by going after the bowlers with great ease. Youhana,Inzi,Younis khan and ofcourse our future WC young opener Taufiq Umer.All of them have performed decent in the test and odi.
We went with a a young and inexpereince team. If you look at our sqaud 5 out of 11 were inexperience and only one of them(taufiq) performed exceptional. I wasnt suprised with the outcome.
Waqar younis made a hugh mistake in the first test by goign with four bowlers when he a had luxury to take out a batsmen and add an extra strike bowler.
In the second test he didnt have much of a choice especially when razzaq was injured he couldnt afford to take out any other batsman for another fast bowler.
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We have been making these excuses ever since Nairobi and when we won in Zimbabwe suddenly we forgot everything and started believing we were at our best again. Well not quite.
Of the above you mentioned , except for Anwar they were all playing in the ODI's and we lost that 4/1 and before you say that Akram and Shoaib were injured, what guarantee is there they will not again be injured especailly Shoaib. As for Anwar he has been out of the game at the highest level for so long that, being thrust straight into a world cup will he be able to perform?
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The batsmen are performing but there is no team chemistry.For instance
If youhanna plays a good inning then other batsmen like Inzi younis fails.All of them have perfromed nicely but lacked a good support from other batsmen.
Well you cant say Youhanna ,inzi, younis ,our heart and soul of the batting line up,perfromed miserable. They showed why they a great. All we need is a good team chemistry.
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And I thought we had lost both matches by an innings. God help us when are batsmen are not performing.
Youhanna and Inzi have let us down in both matches and they did not perform to their potential. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and when the chips were down they should have batted with more responsibility and got the team out of the mess that it was in. They failed in all four innings despite their 60 and 50 in the last innings. The shots they got out on yesterday during the second innings were poor and showed lack of application.
We have been making these excuses ever since Nairobi and when we won in Zimbabwe suddenly we forgot everything and started believing we were at our best again. Well not quite.
Of the above you mentioned , except for Anwar they were all playing in the ODI's and we lost that 4/1 and before you say that Akram and Shoaib were injured, what guarantee is there they will not again be injured especailly Shoaib. As for Anwar he has been out of the game at the highest level for so long that, being thrust straight into a world cup will he be able to perform?
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I agree with you Ehsan Bhai. Inzamam, and Youhana shud have played more sensibaly, especially after Pakistan followed on. Especially Youhana, who was in great touch, but got carried away like Afridi. These two have to get their act together and shud have build up and innings for Pakistan, or at least try to play out the day, so maybe Pakistan can at least end up with a draw. But they were playing like inexperienced youngsters.
And I thought we had lost both matches by an innings. God help us when are batsmen are not performing.
Youhanna and Inzi have let us down in both matches and they did not perform to their potential. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and when the chips were down they should have batted with more responsibility and got the team out of the mess that it was in. They failed in all four innings despite their 60 and 50 in the last innings. The shots they got out on yesterday during the second innings were poor and showed lack of application.
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Sorry man..With their current form You cant expect Inzi and Youhann to score double centuries inroder to over come a huge target. They have potential but they have been struglling lately and even 50 or 60 runs is something to cheer about.Heck when Inzi scored a quickfire of 38 before getting out, I was excited to see him getting in groove. The problem is lack of support by other batsmen. Salim elahi,Faisal Iqbal,akmal failed twice in this test!
Since you mentioned the series after nairobi well it did come to a point that Inzi youhanna and younis looked only good only in papers. It was a hopeless situation.They failed in every game!
Zimb tour is what we needed.SA african tour looks disastrous when you look at the stats (1-4) and (0-2) but you can find alot of postive things .Our main batsmen did improve alot since Naroibi!
Youhana Inzi and Younis scored half centuries couple times in this whole series. So it tells you that they there is glimmer of hope. Trust me I'm very dissappointed too with the result but I still confident we wil fire from all cylinders inWc when we have the best bowling attack to back our brittle batting line up.
Imagine all three batsmen performing inzi youhana and youni perform well in WC "consistently" ,well they proved in SA that they can play! unlike salim elahi,faisal who failed almost all the times..I'm sure they will be replaced with expereinced players. It will make a difference
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This is purely down to player's loss of confidence in Waqar as captain. teamwork only comes when players respect their leader and I think it has been obvious for a while now that many senior players have resented Waqar's criticism. I'm not saying he was wrong but you can't publicly humiliate stars and then expect them to perform for you.
Look at Youhanna's innings yesterday. In a match situation which required knuckling down and application he sauntered to the wicket and smashed 50 off 27 balls. In effect he was saying "I have all the ability in the world. I can do whatever I like with the bowling but I'll do it when I feel like it"
That might look bad, but you have to remember that it was Waqar trying to act like the big Chaudhury that caused the bad feeling. If you can't handle stars then get rid of them, but what you can't do is criticise and then keep them there. if it was up to me I'd have sacked him a long time ago.
Pollock, by contrast, led his side superbly. His team batted great, his bowlers put it in the right place and they fielded with real committment. That reflects on him and congrats to a great show by the SA team.
I think the criticism of Elahi is a bit over the top. We had a realtively good opening stands in 3 out of the 4 innings we played. He's not the greatest player by any stretch, but at least he showed some application and played straight. I was more disappointed in Faisal Iqbal whose sloppy play will never survive at this level no matter how talented he is. Hasan Raza should definitely come into the side for the next test match. He has some of the Taufeeq-style determination not to give his wicket cheaply that this side needs for the 5 day game. I would stick with Elahi for test matches for now unless there is an obvious candidate to replace him - and there isn't. They are all useless flashy twits without the basics of playing straight or shot selection.
Well played SA. A well deserved victory. SA out classed Pakistan in all fields of the game. Sprit, batting, bowling, fielding, captaincy, motivation and team work. They will start the WC at high profile and sprit.
I don’t know what is up with Pakistani batsmen. Like Yousuf was going after the batting like there are 10 wickets in and Pakistan need 100 runs in 5 overs. Game was so close to the end of the day he should have put his head down and played sensibly
Inzemam is now quite consistent with his 30s now. He is not crossing the magical mark of 40 quite often. He is the most experienced batsman of the team and he has to lead by example.
Younus khan is not performing continuously too. He should gather his act coz he normally plays at the position where he has to think and play instead of “shahid-style” batting.
Youngster like Faisal, Taufeeq, Salim and other can do anything but complain about not getting a chance. Everyone got hell of chances but no one performed better but Taufeeq at some occasions.
Fielding was also not up to mark. Had they hold on to those 3 catches tu might be story change hotee. You can’t only win the matches today with good batting and bowling. You have to catch everything that goes into air and atleast cut down 25-35 runs in the field.
Bowling was also quite undisciplined. Looks at the number of extras Pakistanis are giving away that totally un bearable.
Above all even if you don’t have good warriors, you need a leader to change normal worrier to gladiators and unfortunately Waqar is doing everything but what is required.
After this humiliation I still think Pakistan can make it to the semis and then final of the world cup but for this Pakistan has to bury these bitter memories before they embark on the flight to Pakistan and they have to start from zero for the world cup. They have to develop a self-belief and motivation that they can play good and then they have to execute the game plan perfectly on the playing day.
PS: After this defeat my posting privileges are taken for 1 month by curtsey of AQ uncle so I cant post before 5th Feb.
typical performance by a team captained by waqar younis who is a pathetic example to follow - the only reason failures like eliahi, rashid latif, kamran akmal and faisal iqbal are in the team is because of him.
there is no planning..none of them have any pride in playing for our country. all they care about is money. how can they play a failure like elahi again and again? to think he was selected ahead of the best opener to ever come from pakistan saeed anwar, and promising young openers like imran farhat, shadab kabir, imran nazir is absolutely beyond me.
and to think we have losers like rashid latif and kamran akmal in ahead of the champion moin khsn is another travesty.
furthermore, saqlain mushtaq has had the most pathetic record in the last 2 years yet they still continue to play him while mushtaq ahmed has been cast aside? do you know mushtaq took 11 wickets just a week ago playing in england? why is he not in the team ahead of saqlain mushtaq?
this team has no leadership, no committment and no character. unfortunately we are stuck with most of them for the world cup..a tournament where waqars pathetic selection and leadership will result in us not even making it to the semis.
at least after our disaster in the world cup..we can pray that we would have seen the end of waqar younis, rashid latif, saqlain msuhtaq, saleem elahi.
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I think the criticism of Elahi is a bit over the top. We had a realtively good opening stands in 3 out of the 4 innings we played. He's not the greatest player by any stretch, but at least he showed some application and played straight. I was more disappointed in Faisal Iqbal whose sloppy play will never survive at this level no matter how talented he is. Hasan Raza should definitely come into the side for the next test match. He has some of the Taufeeq-style determination not to give his wicket cheaply that this side needs for the 5 day game. I would stick with Elahi for test matches for now unless there is an obvious candidate to replace him - and there isn't. They are all useless flashy twits without the basics of playing straight or shot selection.
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How can you say Elahi played good?? 39, 18, 10 and 0. Thats an average of jus over 16. Even Afridi has a 32 Average in Test Matches and at least he is an all rounder. I wouldn't mind Elahi in the team if he was a solid player, but the guy never looked comfortable out there. He was always edgy, and has an extremely poor shot selection and plays with an angeled bat. I have no clue why he still in the team. Although I think Taufeeq won't be able to play in ODI's, I think he willl still do a lot better then Elahi.
Yaasir I already said that I don't think Elahi is a top player but we did at least get some decent starts against good bowling on a foreign pitch. That's more than we've been used to for some time now. He plays like an opener should by leaving the ball outside off stump. If you can't do that at test level you will be relying on luck to make a score. Do you have anybody better in mind? (test matches only).
way to go ehsan bhai :k: