250 Dead in 4 Days of Pakistan Clashes

We need new policy for our tribal region b/c the old one is not working.

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250 Dead in 4 Days of Pakistan Clashes

By BASHIRULLAH KHAN – 3 hours ago

MIRAN SHAH, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistani aircraft bombed a village bazaar packed with shoppers near the Afghan border Tuesday, pushing the death toll to 250 in four days of fighting — the deadliest clashes since Pakistan threw its support behind the U.S.-led war on terror in 2001.

The attack on Epi village in North Waziristan tribal region killed dozens of militants and civilians — deaths that are likely to harden domestic opposition to President Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s alliance with Washington.

The bazaar was crowded with people buying food to break their daylong Ramadan fast when it was rocked by a dozen explosions that destroyed shops and nearby homes, residents said. Abdul Sattar, a grocery shop owner, said he counted more than 60 dead and more than 150 wounded, including many civilians. Many of the victims were mutilated.

“Some did not have heads, hands or legs. Some people were searching for their children and women,” Sattar told The Associated Press by telephone from Epi.

Army spokesman Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad said military aircraft targeting militant hideouts struck “one or two places” near the town of Mir Ali — located about 2 1/2 miles from Epi — and local tribesmen reported about 50 militants were killed.

He said the airstrikes might have killed some civilians who were living in the areas where militant hideouts were targeted, but he had no exact numbers.

“We had confirmed reports about the presence of militants, and the air power was used to target those militant hideouts,” he told the AP.

Another resident, Noor Hassan, said both militants and civilians were killed and that he was fleeing the area. He said the nearby village of Hader Khel also was bombed.

The fighting broke out in North Waziristan on Saturday after a roadside bomb hit a truckload of paramilitary troops, sparking bitter clashes. The bodies of dozens of soldiers, many with their throats slit, have been recovered from deserted areas of the region, fleeing residents said.

The violence comes as Musharraf tries to secure another term as president, vowing to shore up Pakistan’s effort against Islamic extremism, particularly in its border regions where Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahri are suspected to hide.

Pakistani troops have suffered mounting losses as they try to reassert state authority in a swath of mountainous territory where warlords supportive of the Taliban and al-Qaida have seized control. Now the army appears to be resorting to heavy firepower.

Sattar, the shop owner, accused the army of “oppressing” the local Pashtun tribespeople. He said journalists should visit the area so they could see that the “miscreants” — a byword in Pakistan for militants — targeted by security forces were in fact women and children.

Pakistan struck a controversial cease-fire deal with militants in North Waziristan last year. U.S. officials criticized the pact, claiming it gave a safe haven for al-Qaida and provided a rear base for Taliban guerrillas fighting NATO troops in Afghanistan.

In July, Pakistan’s army redeployed troops at key checkpoints in the region, sparking fresh hostilities. Security forces have since suffered more than 250 casualties, many of them in suicide bombings, and more than 230 soldiers have been kidnapped.

The escalating clashes have sparked debate in Pakistan on whether military action — widely perceived as done at the bidding of the United States despite Musharraf’s insistence it is in the national interest — can curb Islamic extremism or only serves to enflame it.

“Rather than losing soldiers and killing civilians in indiscriminate bombings (the government) should revive the peace agreements with tribesmen and devise an effective strategy to flush out foreign militants,” an editorial in The Nation daily said Tuesday.

Prior to Tuesday’s airstrikes, the army reported that battles have killed 150 militant fighters and 45 soldiers since Saturday, while about 12-15 troops were missing.

It is the most intense episode of fighting on the Pakistan side of the border since Musharraf first sent troops to its lawless tribal regions in late 2001.

The army said in a statement it had rejected a cease-fire proposed by the militants and will “continue punitive action until complete peace is restored.”

On Sunday, about 300 militants ambushed an army convoy traveling to the scene of a roadside bombing, killing 22 troops and wounding 11, an intelligence official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to journalists.

One resident of Isu Khel village said three soldiers came to his home asking for protection but he refused, fearing he might be targeted by militants. Others said they saw the bodies of soldiers in deserted areas and on the side of the road between the region’s two main towns, Mir Ali and Miran Shah.

Many victims’ throats were slit, they said.

A woman, who fled to Miran Shah, said she saw eight soldiers who had been shot dead. The bodies were covered in dust and one was mutilated, she said.

The villagers spoke to the AP on condition their names not be used because they feared reprisals.

On Monday, the army used artillery and fighter jets against militant targets in Isu Khel and nearby Melagan village, where announcements were being made from mosques urging authorities not to target civilian areas, residents said.

The intelligence official also said Monday that a dozen civilians had died when a shell struck their home in Mir Ali. It was unclear who fired the shell.

Arshad said some houses had been targeted that were being used for attacks on security forces and some residents may have died.

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Many victims' throats were slit, they said.
Bunch of animals.

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wow.. jet-fighters bombing markets. this stuff would make the israeli army blush.

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Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Rajioun for the innocent victims died. Anybody knows how many actual terrorists were killed?

Seems like we haven't learnt from across the border, where is our brother who cries about "border test"? Please enlighten the government about your "border test" so they can learn a thing or two.

I have said in past and will say it again, ammunition will not solve the problem the ammunition might help the revenge-takers cool down a bit but it will only fuel the fire. Now most of the victims' families will blame Pakistani govt and many of them will join the hands of so-called jihadists only to play in their hands.

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Border test? Sadly, a certain amount of killing will have to be done before other options can be undertaken. A 1,000+ army soldiers didn't die for nothing.

Best option would have been if jihadism had not been promoted, but we are far beyond that point now.

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terrible situation

Allah nay walay pakistan

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Its a test, probably invented by antiobl. He suggests to stand on border and look across to see how we are doing compared to 'neighbors'.

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Best option would have been if jihadism had not been promoted, but we are far beyond that point now.
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Yes, that was best option, but now that it is already there we will have to take counter action (not weapons-based), I think many solutions were discussed in past. But for some reason our army/govt thinks weapon is the best solution, it could be, but then it shouldn't be used on broader scale so as to cause collateral damage.

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Deal making was tried and was a miserable failure. Hundreds of pro-govnt tribals were killed during this "ceasefire".

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Very true, but the million dollar question is how do we get out of this mess? And, one thing is for sure, the policy that GoP has now for FATA is not working. Something has to change and soon or we will lose total control of the area to terrorists.

Anyway, here is my suggestion. 1) Cut off the area from settled areas of NWFP. 2) Close the boarder with Afghanistan and ask US and NATA forces to do the same on their side. 3) Get the paramilitary forces out and send in the regular army. The paramilitary forces useless against the militants.
4) Divided the area into military zones. Once those 4 things are done, send in large force to control the area and get terrorists and their supporters.

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Shamraz, closing the border wont be that easy, alot of it is mountanious terrain? If youve been to torkhum, you will that even the fenced and gated border is impossible to regulate...

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True, but at least minimized the cross border movement and cut off supply routes to militants...that should be the goal. I think US and NATO forces will be more than willing to help in this regards on their side of the border.

BTW, I agree the ceasefire last year was disastrous b/c it allowed militants to regroup and armed themselves to fight again. Govt should not make anymore deals b/c it will come back to bite us a ss.

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The Afghan government does not want the border to be closed, thats the problem.

Lot of warlords make lots of money by smuggling.

Afghanistan will starve to death if border is closed. Ultimately ordinary Pakistanis pay the price.

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The more worrying thing is engagement of army for long time in this region. If this goes on for few more years i wonder what will be the military's capability to defend against an Indian assault.

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Don't worry. as long as Uncle's influence is there in the region, india will have to think twice what u r telling:D

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Don't worry

Only 1 Army Corps is deployed in this area, the 11th Corps, fighting the tribals which only has 2 divisions of 45,000 Infantry soldiers....

Most of our armored, mechanized, motorized, artillery, and mobile warfare units are kept on our eastern border with India

So despite our losses against these tribals, our fighting prowess has not decreased to withstand and repel an Indian attack

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O Bhai
Everyday 15-20 soldiers die or are abducted, what about the morale

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But thats what you want, Banye

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Thats right. It is mutually beneficial. :D

P.S:-What is banye?..R u telling baniya?!!..sorry i am not a baniya then. U will find them more in states like gujrat and mumbai. Just like jinnah was!

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this time the people of pakistan need to crush the brutal pakistani army. may this be the beginning of the things to come to give army a really bloody nose. no one really has sympathy for the armed forces except for the ones that are the direct beneficiaries of its debauchery

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true :omg: