25 Pak Soldiers killed by NATO shelling

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These are our ‘Afghan Brethren’…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/afghan-officials-show-scant-remorse-for-pakistans-military-casualties/2011/11/29/gIQAMfBS9N_story.html?hpid=z11Afghan officials voice scant remorse to Pakistan

KABUL — T**he Afghan police general watched on television as Pakistani soldiers solemnly saluted the coffins of 24 of their comrades who were killed in a U.S. military airstrike Saturday. **The general stood up in disgust. “That’s the best thing America has done in 10 years here,” he said.

While U.S. officials from the war zone to the White House offered contrite condolences to the families of the dead and scrambled to repair the tattered relationship with Pakistan, Afghan officials have taken a tougher line. Frustrated by a Taliban insurgency they are convinced is supervised by and based in Pakistan, they have expressed little remorse, even accusing Pakistan of exaggerating the gravity of the situation to deflect attention from its own meddling in Afghanistan.

**Afghan officials said the strike — which followed an operation by U.S. Special Operations forces and Afghan army commandos — was justified because the troops came under fire first from a Pakistani border post. “We have absolutely nothing to apologize for,” a senior official said.
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**The decision by Pakistan’s cabinet Tuesday to boycott next week’s international conference on Afghanistan in Bonn, Germany, seemed likely to keep the mutual suspicion between the neighbors at a strong simmer. **The conference was once considered a chance to lure Taliban representatives to negotiate, but that plan never materialized.

The meeting’s importance will now depend on whether it can show that the countries in the region, as well as the West, are committed to supporting Afghanistan’s government and working together to end the war. Pakistan’s cooperation is crucial in this regard — particularly given its influence over the Taliban — and its absence would be a clear symbol that peace remains elusive.

The Pakistani cabinet, after a meeting in the eastern city of Lahore, said in a statement that it supports “stability and peace in Afghanistan and the importance of an Afghan-led, Afghan-owned process of reconciliation.” But Pakistan, it said, had decided to bow out of the conference “in view of the developments and prevailing circumstances.”

According to an account by Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani’s office, Afghan President Hamid Karzai had called Gilani to plead against a boycott, arguing that it would not encourage peace in Afghanistan. Gilani responded: “How could a country whose own sovereignty and territorial integrity were violated from the Afghan soil . . . play a constructive role?”

Karzai expressed his condolences to the Pakistani people and told Gilani that “insecurity in the region causes these kinds of incidents,” his office said.
One Western official who spoke on the condition of anonymity called the boycott “very unfortunate,” adding, “Pakistan is taking itself from the table precisely when it should be contributing to a solution in Afghanistan.”

In addition to bowing out of the Bonn conference, Pakistan has blocked NATO supply routes into Afghanistan and told U.S. officials to vacate a base in the southwestern province of Baluchistan. In a bid to repair the rift, coalition officials have offered sympathy and expressed hope that an investigation, led by U.S. Central Command, will clarify why the airstrike took place.

“The events of Saturday morning were tragic, from our point of view, and that is why the commander has not only expressed immediately his condolences but also expressed his feelings as a fellow soldier,” said Brig. Gen. Carsten Jacobson, a NATO spokesman in Kabul. “When it comes to the incident itself, all the questions — who was where, how was the situation developing, what was the use of close air support and who talked to whom — is part of the investigation, and we have to wait for the outcome.”

Pakistani officials have not appeared appeased. Pakistan has to do “some serious introspection” regarding the international effort in Afghanistan, Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar told National Public Radio’s program “All Things Considered.” Pakistan’s role, she said, “has not be appreciated enough. And on top of that, to have an incident in which we feel, at best, giving the benefit of doubt, our soldiers lost their lives to this extremely callous attitude — this episode has obviously created a lot of rage in Pakistan.”

Two senior Pakistani military officers who briefed local editors and commentators Tuesday reiterated Islamabad’s contention that coalition forces had ignored appeals by Pakistan for NATO helicopters to stop firing on its checkpoints.

All Pakistani soldiers at the post, as well as the reinforcements sent to assist them, were uniformed, said Maj. Gen. Ashfaq Nadeem, the director general of military operations.

“All coordination procedures were violated. At multiple levels in ISAF, it was known that they were attacking Pakistani posts, but they continued with impunity,” he said, according to an editor who was present. Nadeem said the Pakistani military concluded that the strike was an “attack of blatant aggression.”

That assessment appeared to be gaining ground in Pakistan, where newspaper editorials and street protesters, including members of an association of Pakistani truckers who carry supplies to NATO troops in Afghanistan, called for an end to Pakistan’s alliance with the United States.

Asked whether she thought the attack was deliberate, Khar said, “We would like to wait for the investigations. Currently, the briefings that we have gotten seem to be pointing toward a direction which is not a happy place to be in. If it is a deliberate attempt,” she said, then the question of Pakistan’s future policy “would obviously be much, much, much more serious.”

In Lahore, Shahbaz Sharif, the top official of the opposition-led province of Punjab, met with the wife of a soldier who was killed in the airstrike. According to a statement from Sharif’s office, the widow, “despite being in a deep state of grief and sorrow, said, ‘Those we are fighting for are not our friends.’ ”

**To Afghan officials frustrated by Pakistan’s perceived lack of cooperation, those sentiments ring false.

“It’s simply overreaction,” said the senior Afghan official, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. “We have suffered, they have suffered, I mean, come on. Our police and army people die in scores every day. And Pakistani civilians die every day. . . . This time, it’s been military casualties.”
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A former Afghan official said Karzai is regularly frustrated by what he sees as the United States’ failure to take stronger action against Taliban sanctuaries in Pakistan or pressure Pakistan’s military or intelligence agency to address the problem.

**“We put all our eggs in the American basket,” he said. “The problem is, that basket has a huge hole in it, and it’s called Pakistan.”
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Brulliard reported from Islamabad, Pakistan. Special correspondents Javed Hamdard in Kabul; Haq Nawaz Khan in Peshawar, Pakistan; and Shaiq Hussain in Islamabad contributed to this report.

Re: 25 Pak Soldiers killed by NATO shelling

^ i said somewhere the Afghans are worst friends in the world, they will never hesitate to kill their own father for the sake of money.

hopefully our ghairaat brigade will read this and think about there wet dreams of world domination with Afghan unbeatable bullshyt history of last 1000 years.

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nadan dost !:)

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oh the american citizen pissed off about Pak-Afghan relation and Indian loving it, very natural

as for this afghan police chief and their ANA officers and their intelligence and govt officials, the whole world knows they are not true representatives of Afghan population, and they are as much anti pakistan as one can get, thanks to their close relations with US/NATO and India, and with Russia in the past.

However, an ordinary afghani who either born in Pakistan himself, got his basic education (religion or otherwise, if any) got in Pakistan, if non of these two, at least one way or the other has some relatives in Pakistan, is no way an enemy of Pakistan.

Pakistanis, Afghans, Iranians and our muslim brothers in india, we were one, and we will be one INSHA ALLAH sooner or later, we learn it easy way or hard way. Hatters gonna hate, no matter what.

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can you provide me with any example of Afghan brotherly love (not gay love) in last 60 years?
and then some for you:

1) Which country voted against Pakistan UN membership in 1947 and the only country?
2) On July 26, 1949 the Afghan government declared that it recognized "neither the imaginary Durand nor any similar line" and that all previous Durand Line agreements were void.
3) Afghan Army border shelling started the day Pakistan born until and its going until today.
4) In 1965 war Pakistani establishment was concerned of back stabbing of your Afghan brothers. Even the alert was so high we moved forces to western borders.

go read some history first then we will talk ..

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Pakistanis, Afghans, Iranians and our muslim brothers in india, we were one, and we will be one INSHA ALLAH sooner or later, we learn it easy way or hard way. Hatters gonna hate, no matter what.
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did you bother to ask Afghans, Iranians & our muslim brothers in India ... about what they think of Pakistan?

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[http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/29/another-martyr-another-widow.html

Another martyr, another widow

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you conveniently ignored what i said, in last 3-4 decades there has never been any govt in Afghanistan which could be called representative of afghan population, there were always been either military/ civil dictators, or communists backed by russia and now idiots backed by USA/NATO. the only Govt in the recent history of Afghanistan which was supported by the local people, and where govt officials were from general populace rather than warlords and foreign backed tyrants was that of govt of Taleban in 90s, and that was one of the most friendly govts towards Pakistan that afghanistan ever had.

and as for asking Afghans, Iranians or muslims in india, its what my deen tells me that all Muslims anywhere in the world are brothers, and i strongly believe that borders of Pakistan should be open for all muslims, anyone should be able to migrate to Pakistan and opt to live here. what yous understanding of this brotherhood is not my problem

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lolz, stop living in the world of utopia. you never bother to talk with any real afghan and yet you claim they love Pakistan just like people of Pakistan have misconception about Palestinians/Arabs.

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the only Govt in the recent history of Afghanistan which was supported by the local people, and where govt officials were from general populace rather than warlords and foreign backed tyrants was that of govt of Taleban in 90s, and that was one of the most friendly govts towards Pakistan that afghanistan ever had.
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wah wah, most friendly and loved by local people.. you made my day. Taliban are Pashtun so thus representing less then 40% of Afghan population and they were friendly towards Pakistan because we made them with ******* from Saudi's & United States. Let me take you on a history voyage, it was 1972 when Bhutto orders for insurgency in Afghanistan to installed Pakistan approved government... Burhanuddin Rabbani, one-eye mullah or omar, abdul ghani baradar & the so-called haqqani's were all on Pakistan payroll and trained by us.

Our establishment placed bet on Afghanistan for strategic depth doctrine because of availability of Afghan traitors in ample supply.

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and as for asking Afghans, Iranians or muslims in india, its what my deen tells me that all Muslims anywhere in the world are brothers, and** i strongly believe that borders of Pakistan should be open for all muslims, anyone should be able to migrate to Pakistan and opt to live here. **what yous understanding of this brotherhood is not my problem
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why you are living in Dubai?

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the ones who hate us, they hate because we allow their killing and help their enemy kill and oppress them.

If i help someone kill my brother and his family, even my very own brother will become my enemy, its as simple as that. You help them survive prosper and support them, stand up with them against their enemy (who happen to be our enemy too) you will find them very faithful and trusted friend, you continue to harm them, they wont love it for sure, no rocket science here.

as for why live in dubai, simple answer, to earn me bread. but unlike you, i do not choose to accept any other countries nationality and take oath to be server their interests, that is if you opted, but if you are so called ABCD then don't worry its not your fault.

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as for why live in dubai, simple answer, to earn me bread. but unlike you, i do not choose to accept any other countries nationality and take oath to be server their interests, that is if you opted, but if you are so called ABCD then don't worry its not your fault.
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My bread & butter both is in Pakistan. you don't know me, so lets move on. but you didn't answer to any of the asked question .. instead just ramblings !

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Well good and bad people are in all nationalities, but the Afghan govt has never been friendly with Pakistan. And there is a large population of Afghanistan which has a very bad opinion about Pakistan. I think for the time being we need to try to focus on our problems, when we will start getting off economically then will other muslims want to align themselves with us. Now even the muslims of the region look at us with pity. Why would any one want to align with a virtually failed country?

A few years back the Indian muslims used to be quite confused, but now they are very proud Indians, because the brand India has rocked the world.

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How many more insults for pakistan armed forces, how did they permit several US attack helicopters to come inside pak air space and attack pak soldiers like this.

It is time to unleash the armed forces on US arrogance they will then think twice before cowardly attacking pakistan in this manner again. If nothing is done expect these incidents to happen again and again.

To stop a bully you must let them know you can fight not whimper around like a mouse and do nothing about it.

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http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/30/pakistan’s-security-more-important-than-afghanistan’s-pm.htmlPakistan’s security more important than Afghanistan’s: PM

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thats true, but you need to know before hand who tends to be your friend in future. and you need to know who can never become your friend no matter what... anyway, lets get back to topic, i had to burst the bubble of this Indian laughing at the sufferings of Pakistan in this very thread.

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like ..who?

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i meant the one who looks like here comes only to distribute "likes" and "winks" about every single post which has anything remotely negative about Pakistan or Islam...

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so what's the point? if you have power you will gonna order his head chop off?

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here…
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