Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
If its a suicide bombing, they may want to be "shaheed" on 10th Muharram.
Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
I don't know how one can reason with someone who is hell-bent on taking lives of the innocent people. The extremist religious leaders should be reined in. Madrassas must be brought under the control of provincial or federal education departments, and forced to maintain accounts of their financial dealings. The ordinary people should also realize that the war against militants and extremists in our ranks can not be won without their support.
Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
That is terrible.
Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
Where do they get all the rockets from?
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Shiites and Sunnis battled each other with rockets and gunfire in northwestern Pakistan on Friday, raising the death toll of two days of Muslim sectarian violence to 38, an official said.
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The latest fighting in the town of Hangu killed three Shiites and at least one Sunni, the town’s top administrator, Ghani ur-Rahman, told The Associated Press.
The violence began Thursday when a suicide bomber tore through a procession of minority Shiites observing Ashoura, their most important religious holiday. Shiites sought revenge, burning shops and cars and fighting Sunnis in the area, about 60 miles south of Peshawar.
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Khurshid Anwar, a prominent Shiite cleric, said he believed Sunnis were shooting rockets because they were launched from area where many Sunnis live.
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1602467&page=1
Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
Why is Pakistan Army becoming such a failure?
They have troops in NWFP and still the land is going the way of taliban law in waziristan!
SHameful!!!!@
Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
i honestly dont think theres much the pak army can do. the govt is not lax at all in providing security to shia processions, it is a significant and well organized operation each year. that said giant walls cant stop a man from blowing himself up if he wants to. its the ignorance of the people not the failure of the army
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Security is not the solution!
Musharraf said it right when he said that to tackle a problem you have to go to its roots not branches (as they grow back).
Sadly, for one reason or the other, he is not following it through in reality!
Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
i dont think any country has actually implemented that kind of thing, or will. you cant change the people unless they're willing to change.
Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
In case you did not know an additional 40,000 troops were stationed in key parts of Lahore alone in the last week to stop any terrorist attacks. There are just not enough troops in the Pak army to have a large presence in every city, town, village and mohalla of Pakistan. Overall this government has considerably reduced the menace of sectarian terrorism over the last 6 years, but like this horrible incident proves that total eradication will take a little longer. Until then our hearts ache for those who suffer, and who may suffer in the future.
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agreed. the arrangements in Karachi have been exceptional too. no fault of the government here, and no other country where I've lived in has such great organizational protection of a minority's religious events. no country in the gulf, not iran. as a shia i couldnt expect more from the army.
Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajeoon.
Terrible stuff. Can't see how people can carry out such atrocities with ease. Definitely something to be condemned and taken care of.
Btw... is there a confirmed source that it were the sunnies who carried it out?
Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
Inalillahe wa inna ilayhe rajayooN.
May Allah guide the Holy Prophet (saw)'s ummah
Re: 22 killed in suicide bombing in Pakistan: NWFP
I was impressed that Karachi police checked all buildings along the procession route, includings shops, apartments, to make sure no one could use that as a place to launch attacks from. They checked ownership documents, id cards and so on. Not an easy to task for a large city like Karachi. They started this months in advance.
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i wasnt aware they did that, but that is really impressive. what i did see was a fairly organized arrangement of alternate route, protection of procession routes/imam bargahs in sizeable numbers and doing what is reasonably possible to prevent suicide bombers. i dont think very many shias blame the government for this (atleast in karachi) because we see the extent to which the government tries to prevent these cowardly attacks.
Sadiyah, not that I know of. however Hangu and Attock have been in the limelight before for shia sunni tribes (of which there are sizeable numbers) having conflicted there. Moreoever, given the numbers of existing sunni radical groups who have the stated aim of killing shias, the rise of anti-shia violence after the attack on afghanistan, and the established centers of such groups (you have to see them to believe it), it is hard to resist placing blame on those elements.
Nevertheless most people recognise that the average Sunni doesnt want to blow himself up in a shia masjid or procession. that said, it would be immensely welcome to have the same kind of condemnation from the pulpits of these attacks that the danish cartoons recieved, and would go very far in marginalizing the violent elements in our society.
It is much more realistic to expect change in our own society through our mosques rather than the Danish society.
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They have troops in NWFP and still the land is going the way of taliban law in waziristan!
[EMAIL="SHameful!!!!@"]SHameful!!!!@
It's not just having a physical presence,that is easy. It's about intelligence and the will to crack down.
It is no coincidence that the killers always seem to get away, whether the Mush govt or previous ones.
The ISI which controls/influences many of these extremists groups will not finish them off as they use them for their own purposes.
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But somewhere a line should be drawn...
I think that is one of the big problems in Pakistan; lack of accountability and discipline which makes people go 'out of line' all the time!
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Nevertheless most people recognise that the average Sunni doesnt want to blow himself up in a shia masjid or procession. that said, it would be immensely welcome to have the same kind of condemnation from the pulpits of these attacks that the danish cartoons recieved, and would go very far in marginalizing the violent elements in our society.
It is much more realistic to expect change in our own society through our mosques rather than the Danish society.
Why the assumption then? I find it hard to believe that a Sunni would want to kill Shias and vice versa. I don't think we should be quickly jumping to conclusions just because the incident happened in an area where the majority is that of the other sect.
What happened is totally wrong and unacceptable; however, I find it just as wrong to blame another group of people especially when they haven't claimed responsibility for it.
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What happened is totally wrong and unacceptable; however, I find it just as wrong to blame another group of people especially when they haven't claimed responsibility for it.
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they never claim responsibity for such acts.
they only do when such incidents happen in India..
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So it is then safe to 'assume' that it were the Sunnis and I suppose it would be okay to 'assume' that all such incidents that have taken place at the Sunni mosques in the past were carried out by Shias.