Re: 20 Question from Ahle Sunnat Brothers
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**Twenty Famous Questions of Shia that “converted a Sunni Scholar!” **
Personally I think one should be very, very naive and hopeless to become a 12er Shia by hearing these questions. The funny thing is that except the question number 20, other questions have nothing to do with 12ers Shia. You can be a Zaidi, Esmayeelee and even a moderate Sunni and raise the same questions.
Problem is that 12er Shia think by proving a fault on (say) Omar, you can prove that there are 12 infallible Imams and the 12th is now in occultation. If the story of the converse of that Sheikh is true I should say that I am happy he never faced one of the Christian missionaries (or have not seen their site where they have done all their efforts to bring doubts in the mind of Muslims) as by the same token he could become a Christian!!!
I see Shia repeating these questions and as no Sunni as far as I know bothers enough to give them answer it seems like Shia really believes that these are really something.
Here are my own responses to these questions. I wrote these just out of my mind as I am (at the moment) not in a situation to give proper references. I am giving these very short replies and God knows that my only intention is to help you understand that things are not that easy that some people thought.
Besmellah:
- Answer: Yes there is, read the history in works like Seerah Ibnu Hishaam etc. ,you will see that during the same period Aboobakr who was once a wealthy man ended up with almost no money because of his efforts to help Muslims. Omar was also very active during this period to support Islam. Refer to the records of that period in Sunni books of history.
Note: you means they were supporting from home, where prophet was in hardships till two years… (very good answer)
**The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that 12ers Shia is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: No records even from Shia sources implies that people prevent Fatima’s burial near his father. Also there are no records that she had requested to be buried next to his father. Aboobakr and Omar had requested to be buried next to the prophet. That easy.
Note: Is every Muslim of world right his will to buried with his family members or the community do it by using a common sense. (here you can feel the hate of prophet family by the community or rulers of time.
Just think: Prophet daughther is died, and rulers and which you claim close friend of prophet, either dont know about her death and burial, becuase Fatima(as) was angry to her due to Fadak.. (Muhammad PBUH) gifted Fadak to his daughter Fatimah ( Qur’anic verse Al-Hashr, 7)
When the forts of Khaibar were conquered, the nobles, landlords, and prominent of Fadak came to the Holy Prophet. Fadak was an area in the valley of the Medina hills. It contained seven villages which extended as far as the sea coast. Many were very fertile and there were oases there. There was a peace treaty with the people stating that half of the whole of Fadak was to be in their possession and the other half would be the property of the Holy Prophet. This fact has been narrated by Yaqut Hamawi, the author of Majimu’l-Buldan in his Futuhu’l-Buldan, vol. VI, p. 343; by Ahmad Bin Yahya Baladhuri Baghdadi (died 279 A.H.) in his Ta’rikh; Ibn Abi’l-Hadid Mu’tazali in his Sharh-e-Nahju’l- Balagha, (printed Egypt), vol. IV, p. 78, quoting from Abu Bakr Ahmad Bin Abdu’l-Aziz Jauhari; by Muhammad Bin Jarir Tabari in his Ta’rikh-e-Kabir, and by many others of your traditionists and historians
When the Holy Prophet returned to Medina, Gabriel revealed the following: “And give to the near of kin his due and (to) the needy and the wayfarer, and do not squander wastefully.” (7:26)
The Holy Prophet pondered the significance of this revelation. Gabriel appeared again and informed him that Allah had decreed: “Let Fadak be given to Fatima.” The Holy Prophet called Fatima and said: “Allah has commanded me to bestow Fadak as a gift to you.” So he immediately gave possession of Fadak to Fatima.
**The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that 12ers Shia is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: There are many records of the prophet praising Aboobakr and calling him his brother( see Sahih Bukhari, vol.5, virtues of Abu Bakr), of course Shia considers all of them to be fabricated!. The fact that he did not choose him as his brother when he divided the companions cannot reduce any thing from Aboobakr. He has his own rank and Ali has his own. Aboobakr was friend of the holy prophet from before his prophet hood until his passing away. This is a fact that even Shia sources confess to. It is also referred to in Quran, the verse of Qar . Also the Prophet choose him to be his fellow companion during migration and he was his partner in the cave.
Note: Why in Pakistan There is NISHAN-E- HAIDER… why not Nishan , Abu Bakhar and Nishan Umer, if they were brave then Imam Ali (as).
**The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that 12ers Shia is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: The answer is very easy and it shows the ignorance of the designer of the question. Unlike the Shia ahadith, the vast majority of Sunni ahadith are those that the narration goes back to the prophet. It is obvious that Ayesha and Aboohorayrah were adults when they were with the prophet, while Hasanayn were kids. Ebne Omar was older than hasanayn at the time of the prophet so he had more chance as compared to them to narrate from the prophet. Apart from this, the political situations made Hasanayn engaged with many things. Ebne Omar was not like this. Also it’s up to the individuals whether they like to narrate something or not. As for Ali (RA), Omar (RA) and Aboobakr (RA) too have very low number of Ahadith. Does that mean that Bukhari didn’t like them?! Also Fatimatuz Zahra passed away only about three months after the passing away of the prophet, how many ahadith does one expect to be recorded from her in these critical three months? The question actually should be directed to Shia. How many ahadith does Shia have from Hasanayn?
The question and any replies to it has nothing to do with proving that 12ers Shia is the right version of Islam.
- Answer: Many Sahabah remained in the city for other purposes, as they were perceived as unique sources of knowledge, do you have any evidence that they all gone except Ali? So would you say that they were all against Omar?! There is in the history that Hassan was participating in the attack on Tabarestan. Also we know that Salman (one of the best followers of Ali according to Shia) got the authority from Omar to rule Fars.
In what basis would you say that giving consultancy and advice to Omar while being against him is fine (as Ali did) but participating in fighting with Koffar and Moshrekin (which Ali endorses in Nahjul Balagha) is not fine for Ali? Read Najhul Balagha and you see that Ali endorses the war. Refer to the 146th ceremony of Nahjul balagha (or one before or after, depending on the edition). It’s a pity that we try to attribute our own hostility and hatred to Ali to prove our points.
Note: you means the hadith is for all Sahaba, so let me qoute the the great Umer saying which prove that the Hadith of Gate of Knowlege is just for Imam Ali(as)
Hamidi reports in his Jam’-e-Bainu’s-Sahihain that during the caliphate of Umar, five people were arrested on the charge of fornication and brought before Umar. It was proved that the five men had committed fornication with a certain woman. Umar at once ordered them to be stoned to death. At that time Ali entered the mosque and having heard what Umar had ordered said to him: “Here your order is contrary to Allah’s ordinance.”
Umar said: “Ali! Fornication has been proved. Death by stoning is the prescribed punishment for this sin.”
Ali said: “In the matter of fornication, there are different orders in different cases. Accordingly, in the present cases different orders should be passed.”
Umar asked him to detail what the orders of Allah and His Holy Prophet were in those cases, for Umar had heard the Holy Prophet say on a number of occasions: “Ali is the most learned man and the best judge.”
Ali ordered the five men to be brought to him. He ordered the first man to be beheaded. He ordered the second man to be stoned to death. He ordered the third man be given 100 lashes. The fourth man was given 50 lashes. The fifth man was given 25 lashes.
Umar, surprised and puzzled, said: “Abu’l-Hasan, how did you decide these cases in five different ways?”
The Holy Imam said: “The first man was an infidel under the protection of Islam. He committed fornication with a Muslim woman. Since he lost the protection of Islam he was liable to be killed. The second man had a wife, so he was stoned to death. The third man was unmarried; hence, he was ordered to be given 100 lashes. The fourth man was a slave who deserves a sentence half that of a free man, that is, 50 lashes. And the fifth man was an imbecile, so he was given a mild punishment, that is, 25 lashes.”
Then Umar said: “If Ali had not been there, Umar would have been ruined O Abu’l-Hasan,! I hope I am not alive when you are not among us.”
The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that 12ers Shia is the right version of Islam.
- Answer: Look at the situation just now. We all know about Palestine yet we waste our time over the net.
It’s the same for that time. This is while at that time there were no media to let people know what is going on. One cannot cover the grave sin of those so called Shia people who betrayed Hussain, by asking about why others didn’t defend Hussain. Did any Shia defend Zayd ibn Ali when he was left alone against Bani Omayyeh? Of course I agree that it is a disaster and disappointment that the grand son of the holy prophet is being killed this easy and people are remained silent.
Note: Question is why they did not help Imam Hussain a great grandson of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh)..??
The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that 12ers Shia is the right version of Islam.
- Answer: No one accused the prophet of speaking nonsense. They were saying that the pain of death has overcome the prophet. Unlike Shia, Sunnis do not hold a super human position for the prophet and any one else (refer to the last verse of Sura of Kahf). Just like any human being, it could be possible that a prophet say something unconscious. God has promised to keep Quran safe, but at the same time you can see that the prophet is being corrected in Quran many times.
If you believe that what ever the prophet is saying is correct then how would you justify those numerous verses (read the Shia Tafsir of the first verses of Sura Mojadeleh for instance, where God corrects the wrong fatwa of the prophet).
To make a fuss out of this to accuse people who had given anything for Islam is very stupid. Specially when people who accuse them has done very less for Islam. Remember that the prophet was alive and conscious 3 days after the incident. If it was really necessary to say something he could say at those days. It is very baseless that Shia assumes that the prophet wanted to talk about Ali.
The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that 12ers Shia is the right version of Islam. please read our article on the pen and paper incident for more information. For more detailed info on this matter click: http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Stu/azarinni/Pen.htm
Note: What you think about this Quran Verse: “Oh you who believe, fear Allah and believe in his Prophet”.
“Obey Allah and Obey his Prophet and worry, and be warned that the Prophet’s duty is only to deliver the message clearly”
Surah Mujadilah verses 12-13 "Perform Salat (Prayer), give Zakat and Obey Allah and his Prophet
did omer follow this verse..???
- Answer: Because they were told numerous time by the prophet himself that they shouldn’t stay without a leader. Also the situation is very different. It’s very stupid to ask for evidence like this. Each prophet has passed away in different situations and there were no unique attitude of their followers among them.
The question is: Is there any evidence that there were chain of non-prophet successors from a prophet, all being infallible, all being in the same generation? With no mention of their names in their holy books?
Is there any evidence that one of them goes to occultation for centuries while still being in this world?
Note: Ask from ur self can you leave ur father or teacher dead body alone for three days in summer. and you go for distribution of lands/power/ and vise versa.
**The question and any replies to it has nothing to do with proving that 12ers Shia is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: This is again a complete ignorance. You can read in Osoole Kafi the hadith were it says that prophets do not leave any heritage. Imam Khomeini in one of his books of Fiqh endorses the correctness of this hadith. As for the wives of the prophet, you need to read the history to see how the prophet made each one of them a house of her own, it wasn’t a heriatge or a gift. Comparing Fadak (a land captured by Muslims) to the houses of the wives of the prophet is very funny.
As for giving living money to the wives of the prophet, it is very natural thing. They could not be married again and they had no properties, many of them had no proper relatives to rely on. What do you expect them to do for living at that time if you were the Caliph? Begging?!
It is narrated in a hadith (in Bukhari ) to the effect that some of the wives of the prophet went to Ayesha in the time of Omar to encourage her accompany them to Omar’s house to ask for heritage from the prophet, Ayesha rejected and said prophets do not leave any heritage, as the result they also changed their mind.
**The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that 12ers Shia is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: It all depends on their intention. Al’Aamalo Bennyat. If their intention was to bring Fitnah among Muslims or to get their own personal benefit then they have done a sin (no matter if they were in Ali’s army or Muawiyah’s army). As for their position in the hereafter, we are not God to judge about it. Read letter 58 (or one before or after depending on the edition) of Najhul Balagha to see what does Imam Ali think about people of Siffin.
Of course I do agree that the right was with Ali (RA) and not Ayesha (RA) or Moawiah. I do agree that Ali (RA) was oppressed in these incidents but I cannot judge about the intentions of every individual who was involved.
Note: Is it is not anough that when you see right at one side, the other suppose to be wrong .
**The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that 12ers Shia is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: This is very deceiving question. To say that the hypocrites were not among those 4 has nothing to prove against the Sahabah. Read Shia Tafasir to see what the features of these hypocrites were. Even the Shia tafasirs do not consider them among the popular sahabeh of the prophet. The Hypocrites mentioned in the Quran were Abdullah ibn Ubayy and his henchmen.
Ibn Ubayy died during the lifetime of the Prophet and with that the hypocrites too eroded. Their features certainly are not of the features of great Sahabah like Omar ,Aboobakr , Talha and Zobayr. Read your own sources like Al-mizan and you will see.
Note: read history at first time Abu Sufyan went ot Ali (as) becuase he was aware of his braveness and he said, lets take our swords against the elected caliph, but when he saw that imama Ali (as) do not want any bloodshed and he left the matter for Allah will. The Then Abu Sufyan went thier and joind them till his rest, (is this not hypocracy)
**The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that Ithna Ashari Shia is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: A complete confusion. First what the author is TRYING to refer to are principles of Fiqh and not governing a society. And there are more to it like Ijma and also including Ijtihad in the list shows that the author knows nothing about sources of Fiqh in Shia or Sunni discipline. If you read the history of Islam you will see that the holy prophet established a very democratic society in which many of the decisions ( of course except those revealed by God) were made through consulting with experienced people.
What happened in Saqifah was in fact an approach that was established by the holy prophet himself. In this way you might say it was based on Sunnah and ijtehad. On the other hand there are absolutely no clear evidence for the doctrine of having 12 Imams in Quran and Sunnat. So the same question applies to Ithna Ashari themselves.
Note: We believe that as Allah Subhan Wa Taala, has sent his 124 thousands prophets along with the last Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) without any alection or saqifa. similary Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) has left Master after himself to guide the Umma with knowledge and wisdom with a will of Allah. (Man Kuntum Moula pa haza Ali moula)
**The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that Ithna Ashari Shia is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: I don’t believe that rejecting a Khalifa is tantamount apostasy, however as Ali says in Najhul Balagha, letter 6, the rejecter has gone astray from the way of Muslims. Not all people who fought Ali actually rejected his Caliphate, many started the fight because they wanted to arrest the killers of Uthman (again refer to 58th letter in Nahjul Balagha or one before or after depending on the edition),
Note: Apply Imam Ali (as) this saying to people in Jamal and safeen, ? and (what you think now)
**The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that Ithna Ashari Shia is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: No dear, there is another possibility, both have a portions of right and wrong. As for Jamal and Sifeen, as I said it all goes back to the intentions of individuals. It is possible that some one with divine intention in Muawiyah’s army be considered as martyr and some one with wrong intentions in Ali’s army just wasted his life. By this however I do not mean to justify the Muawiyah’s act of fighting Ali.
Note: Allah says that use you mind , eyes, and yearsto know right before its taken back…
The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that Ithna Ashari Shia is the right version of Islam.
- Answer: No and there are also no ahadith to indicate the followers of Imam Sadiq have guaranteed the paradise. So what?! Zaideis are also the followers of Imam Ali, same for Ismailis but they consider you as misguided same as you consider them as misguided, are they all go to paradise according to Ithna Ashari Shia because they are followers of Ali?
Note:
Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal in his Musnad, Imamu’l-Haram Ahmad Makki Shafi’i in Dhakha’iru’l-Uqba, Sheikh Sulayman Balkhi Hanafi in Yanabiu’l-Mawadda, chapter 56, and Muhibu’d-din Tabari in his Riyazu’n-Nazara, vol.II, p.195, quote Mu’awiya as saying: “Whenever Umar Bin Khattab faced a difficult problem, he sought the assistance of Ali.” Abu’l-Hajjaj Balawi in his Alif-Ba, vol.I, p.222, writes that when Mu’awiya heard the news of Ali’s martyrdom, he said: “With the death of Ali, jurisprudence and knowledge have collapsed.”
Thats means following a person who have knowledge is guided and follower of non-knoweldge person will be perished.
**Does following Ali only means to be an Ithna Ashari? **
**Are you 100% sure that Malik Ashtar had the same doctrine of Imamat as Ithna Asharis? **
Can we say that Sunnis are not followers of Ali only because they also respect and follow the other Sahabah? By the way, all the imams you talked about are imams in Fiqh not in Aqeedah. So your comparison is irrelative. Also the hadith (if accepted as authentic) does not imply that these are THE ONLY ones who go to paradise. Do you think there are no other ahadith that indicate the holy prophet promising heaven to any one other than Ali? Have you ever read the verse of Quran that talks in praise of Mohajerin and Ansar and encourages those who follow in their path (Tawbah :100)?
Can an Ithna Ashari Shia consider himself as one of the people who this verse is talking about (one who follows the path of Sahabeh)? In another verse (Hashr :10) Allah says that people who are not among Mohajers and Ansar must pray to Him not to put any ill thought about those Sahabah in their hearts, have you ever prayed and requested this from Allah or are you practicing cursing Sahabah and spreading ill thoughts about them?
Read the fist verses of the Sura of Momenoon to see in general who are the people who go to paradise, can you see any mentions of the followers of certain Imams there?
**The question and any replies to it has nothing to do with proving that Ithna Ashari Shia is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: The narration that Ayesha was a severe critic of Uthman to such an extent that she stated: “Kill this Nathal because he became a Kaffir” is reported in Sunni works by a person called “Nasr ibn Muhazim”..This person was an extremist Shii and the scholars of rijaal have considered this person to be a liar and a fabricator. So this narration is simply inauthentic.
Can you honestly claim that you know the motivation of your best friend that you have known and see all the time in your life when he/she wants to do anything? How can we talk about the motivation of a woman who was living 1400 years ago with all these conflicting pieces of records from history?
Instead of casting doubt about her motivations, is it not closer to Taqwa if we respect her as the beloved wife of the prophet and as our mother (if we consider ourselves Momin).
Is it not closer to cautious if we observe the verse in Sura of Noor who warns people of thinking ill about Ayesha. Is it not closer to Taqwa to observe the verse that says “avoid uncertain accusations, as most of them are sin”?
Note: here you can see hypocracy of Ummayed who use Aisha(ra) as tool to get power. and when they got it, grandson of Prophet mohamad (pbuh) died in cell and in great hardships. ALLAH SAYS: do not go out of homes,
Did Aisha(ra) followed the verse..
- Answer: Here the questioner tries to place the impression that Muawiyah killed Ayesha. By referring back to Tarikhul Islam, vol.2 by najeefabadi we found THAT THERE IS NO SUCH NARRATION THAT STATES MUAWIYA KILLED AYESHA. It only says that Ayesha died a natural death and was buried in Janntul Baqiyaah. Now here we can see the dishonesty of the apostate to Shiism as he fabricates lies and uses deception.
Note: its is true and lets waite for life after death to know that fact, that who had killed wife of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh)..
The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that Ithna Ashari Shia is the right version of Islam.
- Answer: How many did Salman or AbuDhar kill? How many did Miqdad or Ibn Abbas kill? Daft question! The designer of the question is very much affected by the dictatorship of his country. The prophet did not encourage people to shot up when he asked for something. He used to listen to the second opinions and many times he would accept it. I haven’t read the story that is referred to in the question but to me it makes a perfect sense.
It was the Sunnah of the Arabs to support their relatives. The prophet himself used this Sunnah many times.
Note: they were follower of a brave man, ever only these personalities were in burail of Mohammad (pbuh) to stay till the last time with prophet . this is anough to be a great companion.. they were not happy in Saqifa as others was.
**The question and any replies to it have nothing to do with proving that Ithna Ashari Shiism is the right version of Islam. **
- Answer: The hadith is Hadithe wahid (narrated only by one man), and the narrator was a kid when he was hearing it. No one can base all his religion in a hadithe wahed. Apart from this, the hadith does not put any obligation on Muslims. It is not ordering anything, it is reporting something. Also the hadith refers to these people as Amirs (few versions refer to them as Khalifs), non of the Shia Imams (except Ali and partially Hassan) became an Amir of Khalif.
Moreover Imam Zainul Abideen refused to accept the post of Caliphate when the situation was very favourable. Even Bani Ummayah and the Syrians were ready to give him Baiaah but he simply refused. Likewise Imam Jaffar as Sadiq refused Caliphate in a scenario when the Alwis and Banu Abbas had uprooted Banu Ummayah and a large number of people were willing to give him Baiaah.
Also it is only the Ithna Ashari who believe in the existence of the 12th Imam. According to other Muslims he never existed. Also there are many other ahadith that give different prophecies about the future of Muslims. One should look at them all and examine the narrators to be able to get a better picture.
The hadith does not say that these Amirs themselves are very good Muslims, it says that in their time Islam has power and respect so I can see how Mulla Ali Qari looks at it.
As for the other hadith, you should read the ahadith of the same category to see the whole picture. The hadith as it is written above has not been considered as authentic by Sunnies, However there are ahadith that says who ever get apart from the community of Muslims (to the degree that he even does not know the leader of the society) will be dead like people of ignorant.
This is nothing but the indication of importance of being socially & politically aware and active in Islam. This is very much in line with the 6th letter of Ali to Muawiyah in Najhul Balagha. It in no way indicates that there should always be a qualified Imam of time. It is clear that if there are no qualified Imams then the hadith will not be relevant to the situation any more.
It says that if Muslims have a leader, you as an individual must recognize him; this is your political and social responsibility as a Muslim.
Note: he does not refused to be a Imam, he refused to get the power . Cant you diffrentiate a Imamat and khilafat.??
**So please see the correct version of hadith in its context to help yourself understanding it. **
- Answer: Imam Khomeini said in one of his speeches that walye faqih can even order muslims to stop reading prayer if he finds that reading the prayers could harm islam. It is amusing to see his followers are now accusing Omar.
As for Omar, he never initiated Tarawih. It was started at the time of the prophet and the prophet let muslims doing it for 3 nights. The only reason that he put a halt in it was (according to the same ahadith that shia uses) that he worried it might become an obligatory task and become difficult for muslims.
At the time of Omar, Islam was well established and the prophet was gone so there was no danger of it becoming obligatory and people liked to read it in Jammaat.
The whole reason of forbidding the act had gone and Muslims knew (according to the hadith) that the act by itself had no problem (otherwise the prophet would mention it. He never said why are you doing innovation). You can see the significance of what Omar did these days when all Muslims do tarawih in Macceh, you can even see the effect on Shia people who desperately and interestedly look at it from their TV or live.
The other issues are the issues of Fiqh and ijtehad. Ali for the first time assigned zakat for donkey in his time because he found that at those days people use to have donkeys (refer to Forooe Kafi, the section on zakat), so is this changing the law or what? .
To me, Omar’s understanding of Islam was much better than Khomeini’s. Despite clear evidences from Sunnah, Khomeini declared chess to be halal, same for music.
In what basis do you give a right of ijtehad to Khomeini who never lived with a prophet and refuse to give the same right to Omar who lived with the best of the prophets?
By the way, Shia is the pioneer of changing the laws of God and bringing innovation to religion. Which one is more innovation? What is referred to in the question or the act of Qame Zani (hitting your head with sword) in Ashoora, adding another shahadat to Azan, making golden thumbs for your Imams and making pilgrimages to them, etc.
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Note: it is true that Umer harm Islam with first with laws, second with power, it is the reason that today people hate muslim, other wise, Islam is light, but Umer used his illitrate mind to destroy the Laws which is only allowed by Allah and his messenger and the one with knowledge.