Seminole
Why am I not surprised at your patriotic outburst.
Just for the record, we are on planet earth!
Abdali, your as cute as a button.
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Underthedome
Do you honestly believe that the US is not at war with Islam?
If so, I strongly suggest you become a fly on the wall and listen to private converstaions, as the public actions and reading between the lines are obviously not doing you any good!
It reminds me of a racist I once met. He stated that he could not be racist because he was married to an ethnic, but they were alright. It's just the dark ones he didn't like!
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If that is true, then it could also be said that militant Islam initiated war with the US. Read between the lines and find the racist and self-righteous overtones of resentment toward the wealth, status, power and skin color of the west.
Seminole, Underthedome and Co
Here's a question for you.
Why does the US fund Israel and the IRA?
Seminole
You really need to get a grip.
The war on Islam has been ongoing for hundreds of years. It's not a new phenomenon. It's just that Bush was a little thick and made his agenda public. Most of the masons usually plan in secret!
As far as your resentment notion is concerned, you really must be living in cloud cuckoo land.
The only thing Islam resents about the West is nothing. Apart from materialistic greed, what has the West to offer Islam. Nothing. Everything is being torn apart.
Muslims can allow their religion to be hijacked by the likes of Bin Laden and the Taliban and blame the U.S. for all their ills, or they can take their religion back and show the world what it means to be Muslim. Another Golden age of Islam won't be reached through blame or force. While the majority of Muslims know this, their positive attributes are being over shadow by the few who claim they are Muslims and embrace terror. Take responsibility and stop the blame game.
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If that is true, then it could also be said that militant Islam initiated war with the US. Read between the lines and find the racist and self-righteous overtones of resentment toward the wealth, status, power and skin color of the west.
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skin colours innit? are'nt all created equal..plus the west is not all one skin colour :) walk down any street in London or LA and it will just prove it. Just thought i would add a point.
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skin colours innit? are'nt all created equal..plus the west is not all one skin colour :) walk down any street in London or LA and it will just prove it. Just thought i would add a point.
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I totally agree. The US and most of the West is made up of people from every race, religion, color and creed. But many posts here indicate there is a bias in US policy toward darker-skinned people and nations.
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You want to lecture Muslims about their religion, fine. But how about facing up to and condemning fanatics and hate mongers in other religions? Now as I said before the Bush white house seems clearly influenced by neo-conservatives and Christian fundementalists some who are on record for making hate-filled and fanatical comments against Islam and Muslims. If you are going to lecture Muslims about fanatics who try to "hijack" Islam and their associations with groups/governments, why is it so hard for to object to the growing influence of fanatics and their physical presence in the Bush white house?
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why is it so hard for to object to the growing influence of fanatics and their physical presence in the Bush white house?
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Because they are not running around the globe blowing up innocent civilians. Why is it so difficult for you to distinguish the difference? Sure, there are a lot of Christian fundamentalist bozos, but until they cross the line and start murdering people of other faiths and nationalities around the world, it's comparing apples to oranges.
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Because they are not running around the globe blowing up innocent civilians. Why is it so difficult for you to distinguish the difference? Sure, there are a lot of Christian fundamentalist bozos, but until they cross the line and start murdering people of other faiths and nationalities around the world, it's comparing apples to oranges.
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Oh trust me these Christian terrorist I'd rather call them christian terrorist not bozos will start crossing the line the moment we go to their home and start killing their women and children you can bet US's ass they will cross the line. All you have to do is try. Have you not seen IRA blowing up McDonalds downtown London.
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**Take responsibility and stop the blame game.
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i agree, but please do try to realize that sometimes the average Muslim IS trying to "take responsibility". There is only so much i can do with my individual voice. It is also up to the average nonMuslim individual to attempt to navigate their own way through the fog of stereotypes and prejudices. i agree Muslims should be doing more in terms of taking responsibility, but for goodness' sake - each Muslim cannot be accountable for the actions of those who receive the greatest amount of CNN exposure. We don't. It's upto those who are misinformed regarding Islam and receive the only "understanding" of Islam via their media outlets, to do some independent research on Islam as well. i completely agree we Muslims should be doing more - IMHO it requires massive efforts on both sides, not the exclusive responsibility of one party.
Very few fanatics are in personal charge of the biggest army this side of Andromeda.
Killing innocent civilians has become so commonplace amongst this cabal of demons that it's viewed as not worth mentioning.
Sure these people were suffering before but they are/were made to suffer a great deal more. First through stifling economic growth and personal liberties through working the masses like dough through proxy regimes, then by direct bombing and military action creating carnage not see since the time of the true barbarians.
Some people say we're in the IT age or the some other ethereal descriptor as timelines go, but sadly looking back over the last few decades it's still pretty much feudal. The village is the globe, the poltroon the Pres of the US and the surfs the populace (inc the pop of the US).
So instead of pleading sense on behave of the regime that rules you Seminole, try and see it for what it is. Changes regimes abroad may not be enough, something closer to home may be the only remedy to the ailment that afflicts you.
No they just take an active part in some of the biggest genocides since since WW2.
The Cross and the Genocide](The Cross and the Genocide)
Ahh, your Ace in the hole. Which is really more like the 2 of Clubs. Once again, and for the record, this massacre was an ethnic conflict, not a religous one. Do you really want to go tit for tat on comparing religous violence in the world today? Didn’t think so.
Besides I thought you concerned with the growing influence of fanatics and their physical presence in the Bush white house? You are grasping at straws in your effort to deflect criticsm and not take responsibility for the Muslim extremists running around the world killing in the name of Islam.
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Once again, and for the record, this massacre was an ethnic conflict, not a religous one.
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Ethnic or religious conflict, the Christian clergyman and even nuns played a leading part in the genocide of tens of thousands of people in a genocide that killed upto a million or so people. By any count that is worse (in numbers and deeds) than fanatics elsewhere have done so far. Whenever reminded of the recent and continuing genocidal crimes of fundementlist Christian terrorists or the Christian clergy in places like Ireland, Kosovo, Lebanon, Rwanda and Uganda etc you fail to condemn or criticise these actions, but only want to make excuses or downplay them. Take care of your fundemetalists and murderers first before lecturing others.
I know you are hugely sensitive to the mention of these facts, and I intend to remind you and other blinkered folk like you at every opportunity.
Were most killed in Rwanda themselves Christian? The blame game leads nowhere Malik. In past posts you’ve predicted an uproar if Afghanistan was ever attack, correct? Is terror the uproar you meant?
If it makes you feel better to compare regional ethnic conflicts to the worldwide network of extremists who are using religion as their motivation to murder non-believers, then good for you. I hope it helps you sleep at night. Your constant reminders of the conflict in Rwanda or the IRA does not change the fact that there is no organized Christian movement to kill the non-believers.
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Were most killed in Rwanda themselves Christian?
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Aren't most of those killed in the present spate of terrorist attacks Muslims? I am glad you now concede that the blame game leads nowhere and that is an important lesson learnt for you. Now maybe you can start trying to answer the question you have been dodging so far in this thread. You want to lecture Muslims about fanatics amongst their number, which is perfectly fine.
But how about facing up to and condemning fanatics and hate mongers in other religions? As I said before the Bush white house seems clearly influenced by neo-conservatives and Christian fundementalists some who are on record for making hate-filled and fanatical comments against Islam and Muslims. Why is it so hard for to object to the growing influence of fanatics and their physical presence in the Bush white house?
Malik, I've made it clear on what I think about Jerry Falwell.