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They represent a far greater number than those killed by those killed by the terrorists you can't seem to all find.
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And even those who were captured were mostly foot soldiers who were latter released.
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Face it Malik, you really don't give a damn about these people if you did you would have spoke up against Saddam and the Taliban, the fact is your using these people just to attack the U.S. nothing more.
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And you expect us to believe that US cares about camel jokeys... How very nice Iraqis must be lucky..LOL... but those poor Africans, N. Koreans or Tibetans must be the most unluck on the planet. How about liberating them....
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Malik, so you are no better than Reagan and Rumsfeld, you admit this?
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You should try reading my posts over the last three and half years years...and enlighten yourself. :) But it's good to see you finally acknowledging some of the hypocrisy that American regimes practised from 1979 to 1990, and even after 1991 in relation to Saddam.
Now you should try facing upto the fact that the US military has killed thousands more innocent civilians than the terrorists you are going around the world chasing, but still can't seem to find the top leaders somehow.
Two years latter Al-Qaeda decentralizes gets organized and spreads its tenticles…
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EE20Ak02.html
Al-Qaeda’s deadly seeds bear fruit
By Syed Saleem Shahzad
KARACHI - With local funds, local teams and local agendas, a limited war on a worldwide scale is being waged against the United States and its allies by groups that have distanced themselves from Osama bin Laden’s International Islamic Front (IIF) so as to act independently.
The suicide attacks in Casablanca in Morocco on the night of May 16 that claimed 41 lives are the latest manifestation of this, while more such incidents can be expected.
Asia Times Online investigations suggest that over the past year and a half experience has taught the IIF - a coalition of militant groups worldwide - that a central leadership and command structure is too risky to operate - especially as many key al-Qaeda leaders - the traditional driving force of the IIF - have already been arrested.
Al-Qaeda had a complex system for conducting operations. Its military committee would plan an operation, including the identification of targets, financial coordination with sponsors and selection of the team to carry out the task. The case was then presented to al-Qaeda’s religious committee, which either approved or rejected it. If approved, it was forwarded to central command, which gave the final nod. This process required extensive coordination, and exposed many leaders and channels, especially the financial ones, which have been hard hit in the global “war against terror”.
Arabs who fought in Afghanistan against the Soviets in the 1980s became familiar with different jihadi movements from around the world as Afghanistan was a common playing field. They remained in touch with these movements once the Soviets retreated. These Arab operatives worked on anti-US operations in collaboration with local militant groups. They would identify their targets in consultation with the local command, secure finances and then contact the local jihadis to collaborate in the attacks. But after September 11, with law enforcement agencies stepping up the pressure, the Arab operatives had to disappear as they were obvious strangers in countries such as Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The US-led invasion of Iraq created the ideal conditions for the IIF to flourish, and it rode the wave of anti-US sentiment in the Muslim world to draw more members. But in the process the organization has undergone a transformation. Al-Qaeda is no longer a coalition of different jihadi bodies. It is an independent organization that is planning a major strike on targets within the US. All the other jihadi bodies, including the Jamaat al-Jihad and the Jama-i-Islamia (or Gama-i-Islamya) are now autonomous and identify their own targets, raise their own funds, recruit and select their own teams for attacks. Even if al-Qaeda members happen to be in a particular country where an attack is planned, they will submit to the locals and not attempt to create a new al-Qaeda cell.
This restructuring took final shape as soon as the US war on Iraq was over. The first country where this took effect was Afghanistan, where effectively al-Qaeda no longer exists. The Taliban, al-Qaeda, the Hezb-i-Islami led by Gulbuddin Hikmatyar and other anti-US mujahideen commanders have now restructured into a new outfit called Saiful Muslameen (Sword of Muslims). The command structure is entirely local, and all foreigners are now fighting along with their Afghan commanders.
According to intelligence sources, the Mujahideen Jazeratul Arab, which recently has threatened to strike US interests in the Middle East, comprises a few dozen Arab fighters who fought in Afghanistan during the resistance against the Soviets. They do not have any direct association with bin Laden’s IIF network. This group and others like it have emerged recently as a direct result of the US action against Iraq.
In the past week there have been the major attacks in Morocco and Saudi Arabia, as well as more symbolic attacks on 21 foreign-owned petrol stations in the Pakistani port city of Karachi.
These attacks have been carried out by unknown local groups. Now, intelligence sources have indicated to Asia Times Online that the next targets could be in Europe, and soon.
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Re: 2 years latter where’s war on terror going?
i agree, Kabir. i was thinking the same thing recently. The Saudi Ambassador to the US warned today that he believes another terrorist attack directed against Saudi Arabia or the US is likely, based upon the former’s “intelligence” sources.
Personally i have yet to meet anyone yet who feels safer subsequent to Bush’s actions - al Qaeda probably feels the illegal invasion of Iraq and the corresponding anti-US sentiments inflamed in the region, was a gift to them courtesy of President Bush. How bin Laden must have cheered with every “smart” cruise missile that landed in Mosul, Najaf, Baghdad, etc. So how, possibly, can Bush have contributed towards regional or global stability? He has simply squandered the feelings of solidarity and unity towards the US immediately subsequent to 9-11; even countries such as France were supporting the US during that time. At the expense of millions of his own innocent American citizens, he has irreparably aggravated the situation.
You let al-Qaida off hook, Bush told - Democrats attack presidential record on homeland security, Matthew Engel
The Guardian, 19 May 2003
Heard this question posed on CNN's International Correspondents the other day:
What if there is another attack in America next year (campaign season)?
Remember the old campaign cry, "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" Forget "It's the economy, stupid." If there's another attack the question will be, "Are you safer now than you were four years ago?" Only an idiot would be able to ignore that.
Puppet Karzai threatens to quite for lack of control. If Karzai goes it will be back to business as usual Afghan style. Northern drugies will run the show from Kabul and Talibs under a different name will kick them back to slang pass. Chances are only this time there will no Lion of Punjsher (Ahmed Shah Masood) to repell the attack.
Welcome to the world of Afghanistan.
The war on terror in my opinion is actually regressing, rather than progressing. Most of the arrests from Americas point and foils that have taken place in order to stop the attacks have been either bribery driven or panic driven.
More attacks have occured worldwide over the last two years than before. This also applies to US. The only difference is that US actually tells u when it's going to attack.
The terrorists which US is targetting are most probably more vigilant and determined now than they ever were. What's even worse is that, because the stereotype of terrorists automatically points the finger at Islam, a lot of non muslim terrorist organisations are now jumping on the band wagon and will carry out attacks knowing full well that the blame will go on Islam anyway.
Osama is still elusive, the IRA are still active, ETA Basque Seperatist Movement are biding their time and Saddam even though not a terrorist, has actually benefitted from the terrorist attacks by US and has most probably got his green card! Where is he?
More people on earth are now scared now than they were prior to 9/11. Fear!
How do you define terror. Fear!
The question should be changed to which terrorist is winning the war. Bush, Blair or Osama?
Terror attacks went down last year, look at the stats.
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Terror attacks went down last year, look at the stats.
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In fact we they have gone up dramatically, becuase we now have the world's leading terrorist outfit i.e. the US military killing more civilians than those terrorists you have been chasing simce 9/11.
The 3rd World will be stuck in the quagmire of poverty, ignorance and violence if they equate the responsiblities and actions of the Leader of the Free World to the terrorist actions of the murdering extremists who have no idea what it is like to be responsible for the stablity, peace and prosperity of the whole world.
Ahh yes you see the U.S. as a terrorist group, join Jihad and fight against them then!
US and terrorism!!! Blasphemy Blasphemy Blasphemy 
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030526-452770,00.html?cnn=yes
Why the War on Terror Will Never End
President Bush stood on the deck of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln to bask in his Iraq triumph and declared, “The war on terror is not over, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide.”
Then reality returned with a vengeance. After the latest blasts, no one is talking about turning any tide. Instead, the world is focused again on mourning, on soul searching, on how to deliver an effective response. ** Make no mistake about it: Islamic extremists are still angry enough, and organized enough, to cause considerable damage to the U.S. and its allies. **
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Ahh yes you see the U.S. as a terrorist group...
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Let's see we always see you talk about how terrorists indiscrimanetly kill civilians including babies and children etc? What dod you think the US military has done in Afghanistan and Iraq - in far greater numbers than the terrorists your country is going after.
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Let's see we always see you talk about how terrorists indiscrimanetly kill civilians including babies and children etc? What dod you think the US military has done in Afghanistan and Iraq - in far greater numbers than the terrorists your country is going after.
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Not much else to say, you think the U.S. is targeting innocent people on purpose, something which terrorists do. Perhaps you agree with Bin Laden that the U.S. is at war with Islam. We can sit here and debate this all day and it won't matter.
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Not much else to say, you think the U.S. is targeting innocent people on purpose, something which terrorists do.
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The fact is that the US has killed more thousands of more innocent civilians than the terrorists you are going after, and not once has it shown any real remorse, just excuses. Every time US occupation troops kill Iraqi protestors, murder babies and children we have all the same excuses and dimissal of such killings as "collateral damage".
All the time the Bush white house seems clearly influenced by neo-conservatives and Christian fundementalists some who are on record for making hate-filled and fanatical comments against Islam and Muslims. If you object to one side where fanatics are making such hate filled and fanatical statements, and object to their associations with groups/regimes in some states, then you should rightfully object to the growing influence of fanatics and their physical presence in the white house. But alas not...?
Right on, UTD. All this talk of US being a terrorist is just a way to deflect responsiblity and/or blame for today's real terrorist actions that initiated this 'war on terror'. As I said in an earlier post, these biased opinions that equate the responsiblities and actions of the Leader of the Free World to the terrorist actions of religous extremists have no idea what it is like to be responsible for the stablity, peace and prosperity of the whole world.
hehehe going in circles, you guyz are so right US has never ever commited any crimes never killed any innocent people as a matter of fact nuking of innocent is all in our heads and millions killed in far east is all a hollywood script.. LOL.... Hey their is a jokes forum too try there your posts will have better impact. Opps I am sorry while I am at it its all collateral damage..
Underthedome
Do you honestly believe that the US is not at war with Islam?
If so, I strongly suggest you become a fly on the wall and listen to private converstaions, as the public actions and reading between the lines are obviously not doing you any good!
It reminds me of a racist I once met. He stated that he could not be racist because he was married to an ethnic, but they were alright. It's just the dark ones he didn't like!