2 Suspected terrorists gunned down ahead of R-Day

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India seems to have learnt from 26/11, and is playing very safe this time around -

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NDTV.com: Noida encounter: India to hand over details to Pakistan

India is expected to hand over to Pakistan details of the two suspected terrorists who were killed by the Uttar Pradesh ATS in an encounter two days ago.

Uttar Pradesh police will soon send information relating to the slain terrorists, including details of a passport recovered from one of them, to the Ministry of External Affairs for on passing to Pakistan for verification, sources in the ATS told PTI on Tuesday.

The two suspected terrorists, identified as Farooq of Okara in Pakistan and Abu Ismail of Rawalkot (PoK), were gunned down by the ATS while allegedly trying to sneak into Delhi on the intervening night of January 24 and 25.

Police said it had recovered a passport from Farooq which bears the name of Ali Ahmed, a resident of Rahimyaar Khan in Pakistan. Police have also recovered multiple identity cards and diaries with phone numbers.

“The details are being sent to Pakistan with the hope that the authorities there would check up and verify about them,” an ATS source said.

While post-mortems have been conducted, the viscera of the slain terrorists have been preserved for any future examination including DNA tests to establish their identities.

A case has been filed against the duo of waging war against the country and various sections of Unlawful Activities Prevention Act, Arms Act, Explosive Act and Foreigners Act.

UP Police is investigating as to which group the two terrorists belonged to and whether they had any local contacts in the state.

Police are trying to find out how the two reached India, a high-ranking ATS official said without divulging details.

Whatever happened to Satish Anand Shukla ..... the RAW agent caught in Lahore ... it has been a more then a month and no one in Pakistan knows what happeend to him !!!!!!!! Talk about propgainda !!!!!

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I didnt ask if you believed Pakistan... The point is, the cited sources were from an Indian source.. So im sure you believe anything thats Indian.

Second, im talking about many other things about India.. Your Human rights record, your model democracy etc...

Same thing that happened to Kashmir Singh.. He admited he was an Indian spy after 35 years in prison. :)
See I wouldnt believe it either, except that guess what, THERE ARE INDIAN SPIES IN PAK!

The fact was that shortly after the Mumbai attack, a couple low intensity explosions occured in Lahore, so there was a suspicion of guilt there. We also know that India was in aggresive mode at the time, and so you take the explosions, coupled with the threats from India, and misunderstandings happen. (assuming he was really wasnt a spy.)

LOL… Most people doubt the credibility of Indian police accounts, except for the three active Indian guppies on this forum!

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You can laugh for all you want but the fact of the matter is that it is Pakistan's credibility which has taken the hit.

Are you sure? Doesnt seem like anything has changed. Pakistan has done its bit, they have closed the offices of Let etc. So what else is new? The world has moved on.
Last I checked, it was India that has been nervous lately. First it was Miliband claiming Indias Kashmir problem is the source of all this, and now even Obama is saying he will focus more attention there, to the dismay of Indians ofcourse.

And did you happen to read the article? Most people in India doubt the credibility of Indian police accounts. Indians themselves have questioned thier statrs credibility.

Doubts is a very simple word...in fact it was a fake encounter.....Indian polce, ATS whatever it is......

Now a days it is easy for police personals to shut down a case if some terror outfits from pakistan are involved.....it reminds me of the days when khalistan terrrorism was in the sky........in those days a simple bycycle theft was blamed on terrorists.

So our police functions....can Pak citizens tell us if there police are a little better?

Pakistans police are horrible, but you dont see us making some bogus claims like this...

so what is your point....being horrible is better than making bogus claims.

We acknowledge the limitations of our insitutions, so we're not making bogus claims. If they are, most Pakistanis ignore it.
Many Indians seem to not be able to do the same on their side.
You seem to be ok though, atleast you acknowledge that this was probably another fake encounter... Sadly, two died for it.
Im willing to bet this whole incidence, with all its suspicious circumstances will be forgotten and conveniently sweeped under the rug.

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^ Govt of India has said it will hand over the evidence to Pak. Lets wait till we pass judgement on the authenticity of the encounter.

And what about Sarabjeet incidence.....an innocent, who was not even in Pakistan, when some terror act took place.....this guy is waiting for gallows for a simple mistake that he crossed over the border....and then the complete case was messed up against him by your police and the court....

Do you have courage to name if 'FAKE' as per your interpretation.

Friend, the system is rottening on both the sides....but at least in India the court does not play in the hands of the police.

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Let me pop your bubble Punjabee. :hehe: Read, enjoy, laugh like i did. Made in India :slight_smile:

By Alistair Scrutton
    NEW DELHI (Reuters) - **Doubts have been raised about police reports of a foiled attack on India's capital blamed on Pakistani militants, with newspapers wondering if the whole episode might have been staged.**
    The controversy is an unwelcome distraction from India's efforts to bring to book the Pakistanis it blames for November's attack on Mumbai.

Police on Sunday said they killed two militants after a car chase in Noida city on the outskirts of New Delhi on the eve of Republic Day. AK-47 rifles, grenades and a Pakistani passport were recovered, according to officials.

But the story sounded to some newspapers too good to be true. The militants not only conveniently carried Pakistani identification, they also asked for directions outside Delhi with an AK-47 poking out of a bag, and then confessed before dying.

The incident came amid heightened tension with Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks late last year. A brutal attack on the capital could have the potential to push the two nuclear-armed neighbours closer to the brink.

“(The doubts) hurt India’s credibility more now than ever before, especially as India is now under international focus and trying to tell the world to act against terrorism after attacks on Mumbai,” retired Major-General Ashok Mehta told Reuters.

Indians even have a phrase for these kind of suspicions – “fake encounters” – when police are accused of killing suspected criminals in cold blood and passing the incidents off as gunbattles to reap either fame or cash rewards.

"Doubts have always persisted about fake encounters and killings in India, but everything looks suspicious in this case," Mehta, a security analyst, said.

Surprisingly, India’s foreign ministry and home ministry have both been silent on the case.
The doubts highlight a problem for India – that many people doubt the credibility of police accounts just as the Indian government is trying to show the world that Pakistan is behind militant attacks on its soil.
While similar incidents have been reported on the eve of many Republic Days, they did not have the same impact pre-Mumbai.
Now the stakes are higher, given the potential of incidents like these, real or fake, to raise diplomatic tension.

“FAKE ENCOUNTERS?”

One newspaper expressed doubts about the timing of Sunday’s incident.

“We would have been a wee bit surprised had the police not produced some ‘terrorists’ - slain or alive – in the run-up to the Republic Day,” the Mail Today said.

“For the past many years encounters and arrests have been regular as the official ceremony on these occasions.”

The Times of India raised several suspicions, from conflicting police versions to the fact two previous encounters had taken place in the same isolated spot in less than 10 months.

The militants not only advertised their intentions with a gun-laden bag, they also asked for directions from a tea-seller – who just happened to be a police informer, the paper said. (Absolutely classic!!!)
Uttar Pradesh police said they were still investigating.
“People are free to interpret and react to the situation in their own ways,” senior Uttar Pradesh police officer Rajiv Krishna said, when asked about reports of a fake encounter.
Indian security experts say there is no doubt that Indian police are dealing every week with militant cells.
There have been a string of bomb attacks on cities in the past two years, killing hundreds of people, including the most infamous – when gunmen killed 179 in coordinated raids on India’s financial hub.
The Indian government and many experts say there is ample evidence that Pakistan is communicating with many of these cells. Western allies such as the United States are convinced of the evidence that Pakistani militants were involved in Mumbai.
But while the threat is real, doubts about the police will not go away.
“The problem is credibility of the police and the fact that nobody believes the police these days,” Julio Ribeiro, former Mumbai police commissioner, told Reuters.
India’s human rights commission is investigating a previous gunbattle in New Delhi last year against two suspected Islamist militants after media alleged it could have been faked.
In Sunday’s incident, the police came from one of India’s most lawless and corrupt states, Uttar Pradesh.
“These encounters are very murky,” said Ajai Sahni, executive director at the Institute for Conflict Management.
“The fact that it happened in UP raises more doubts, but that doesn’t mean it was a fake encounter.”
(Additional reporting by Bappa Majumdar)

Doubts over Pakistan militants foiled by India | Reuters

You’d think Indian authorities would have learned a lesson from the previous act, but nope…just couldn’t resist, could they?

And yes i’m not blaming all Indian friends for the stupidity of some of their authorities. It’s meant to serve a chuckle factor against those who actually defend this hogwash called “terrorist hunt” when infact it’s just a cooked up encounter, and more possibly… :dannyboy:

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Who says that Indians believe the UP police version? …..but you cannot compare this incidence to the Mumbai attacks.

Last years' Batala encounter, in which a brave cop was killed, was not a fake (The forensic reports have already shut down the so-called conspiracy chapter)…..but some politicians have done their best (in order tp appease the minority section) to mess up that as well….at the same time the Imam of Delhi Jama Masjid and his well wishers are still demanding an enquiry into the matter.

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I'm Indian and even I think that this story is bogus.

Probably some poor muslim criminals who were made into double agents by RAW and then double crossed by RAW and killed.

I have to admit that the Indian intelligence agencies have really stepped up their game and are now running really sophisticated operations.

Yes, given the track record of UP police such conspiracy theories are bound to come up. As I mentioned earlier, India plans to hand over the evidence to Pak. Lets wait for that before we pass judgement :slight_smile:

Will it take over a month and half to doctor it, this time too? :hehe:

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You Indians should really get out of the victim role now. Stop being so frikkin pathetic by making up this kind of news every other day. Get over yourself, the world doesn't evolve around you.