Very predictable responses from our neighbors :)
Anyways, even though I would not call this a "faked" encounter prima-facie, I would not point fingers at Pak unless the UP ATS comes up with some more proof.
Re: 2 Pak terrorists gunned down ahead of R-Day
This encounter explains why Hollywood is so much better than Bollywood, right punjabi?
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Abu Ismail?
Wasn't he also at the Mumbai attacks? koi doosrs Abu tha?
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....... I would not call this a "faked" encounter prima-facie, ....... I would not point fingers at Pak unless the UP ATS comes up with some more proof.
This is fair.
On another note, we all must realize that BOTH Indians and Pakistanis have miserably failed to notice the HUGE changes in the geo-strategic conditions of our neighborhood.
Under these new conditions, all the old models of Indo-Pak interactions have failed and we urgently need new ways to approach this.
Pakistan should respect India's role in the world, and work with Indians to solve bilateral problems.
India should respect Pakistan's geo-strategic importance and its role as major world power. Pakistan may look down and out from Indian nationalists' point of view, but that is not a correct view. This is precisely why Indians should not take mutual issues out to the West. That hurts BOTH the countries.
Islamists in their zeal to destabilize Pakistan, are trying their best to get India involved in petty squabbles with Pakistan. Indians should never buy into Islamists schemes.
If Indians can understand these simple approaches, the future of this region is really bright. It is easy to see India and Pakistan emerging as Germany and Britain of Europe.
However if we do not realize the change in the world, and continue behaving like our yesteryears' role as dueling Maharajas, then it won't be long that a new East India company, or a new Gouri will be pillaging our lands i.e. if anything would left to pillage.
define nail Pakistan.
Nail Pakistan = Prove Pakistan/Pakistani involvement
Y these terrorist says every thing after getting one slap from Police... not only that, they carry Pakistani passport, and id cards along with all RDX and AK-47s...
Indian Police is 2nd to none for creating stories and indian people are **fool enough **to believe them..
no not all indians consume everything, whatever is told to us by our ulemans.
Nail Pakistan = Prove Pakistan/Pakistani involvement
Just like your media, you flip-flop too much. In one post you say you won't point fingers at Pakistan in another post Pakistan is clearly involved. Make up your mind already. :)
^^ Mods. Please update the heading to "2 suspected terrorists gunned down ahead of R-Day".
Even the poster himself has said, he doesn't believe they are from Pakistan (at least not for now).
I was responding to a query about what I mean by “nail Pakistan” in my original statement "I wonder if the UP ATS has any concrete evidence to nail Pak "
It might help to read the previous posts before hitting the keyboard 
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Mods. Please update the heading to "2 suspected terrorists gunned down ahead of R-Day"
thread title changed.
Funny that you quote indian news paper reports in your post. If you believe this then probably you should have no problem believing that these terrorist were pakistanies.
Coming to the credibility issue. I dont think Pakistan has any credibility left in this world. Enough said in this regard.
That's the problem. You have to listen to others and not use your own judgement.
This is the first time I am getting this advice. Burqa, did you read what you wrote.
Funny that you quote indian news paper reports in your post. If you believe this then probably you should have no problem believing that these terrorist were pakistanies. Coming to the credibility issue. I dont think Pakistan has any credibility left in this world. Enough said in this regard.
Abay ghochu aik baar parh tou le.
I am sorry but your post made no sense at all.
This is the first time I am getting this advice. Burqa, did you read what you wrote.
That was sarcasm piyaray.
Anyways did you read the whole post before posting this nugget? Or just trying to wiggle out of this one too?
Learn from your fellow desi Punjabee in USA. He knows when to listen and when to you his judgement. OK boss?
Funny that you quote indian news paper reports in your post. If you believe this then probably you should have no problem believing that these terrorist were pakistanies. Coming to the credibility issue. I dont think Pakistan has any credibility left in this world. Enough said in this regard.
LOL.. Citing an Indian paper is for your benefit. You being somone who believes everything Indian as gospel truth, should appreciate an Indian source. Or do you agree that Indian sources are full of lies?
As for the second part, India is exceptionally good at spreading propaganda and lies. Its amazing the world is fooled by you people, when a even a cursory glance at your history and record would expose you for what you are.
Well he was also wearing Made in Pakistan underwear, isn't that good enough proof???
and that too with holes in it .fair enough proof.
Abay ghochu aik baar parh tou le. I am sorry but your post made no sense at all.
mods allow for name calling!
Credibility is a big issue for Pakistan. Should I post links from Pakistani papers to prove that. If it is not for Pakistans lack of credibility, south asia would have been a much better place to live in.
LOL.. Citing an Indian paper is for your benefit. You being somone who believes everything Indian as gospel truth, should appreciate an Indian source. Or do you agree that Indian sources are full of lies?
As for the second part, India is exceptionally good at spreading propaganda and lies. Its amazing the world is fooled by you people, when a even a cursory glance at your history and record would expose you for what you are.
Well at least I dont believe what Pakistan says.
Second part. I dont think the world is so gullible to believe everything what Indians says without proof.
That was sarcasm piyaray.
Anyways did you read the whole post before posting this nugget? Or just trying to wiggle out of this one too?
Learn from your fellow desi Punjabee in USA. He knows when to listen and when to you his judgement. OK boss?
burqa , sarcasm was it. Guppies here knows how funny you are. Dont try too hard!
Even in India doubts are being raised on the “Pakistani” attackers.
Doubts over “Pakistan militants” foiled by India - Yahoo! News
NEW DELHI (Reuters) – Doubts have been raised about police reports of a foiled attack on India’s capital blamed on Pakistani militants, with newspapers wondering if the whole episode might have been staged.
The controversy is an unwelcome distraction from India’s efforts to bring to book the Pakistanis it blames for November’s attack on Mumbai.
Police on Sunday said they killed two militants after a car chase in Noida city on the outskirts of New Delhi on the eve of Republic Day. AK-47 rifles, grenades and a Pakistani passport were recovered, according to officials.
But the story sounded to some newspapers too good to be true. The militants not only conveniently carried Pakistani identification, they also asked for directions outside Delhi with an AK-47 poking out of a bag, and then confessed before dying.
The incident came amid heightened tension with Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks late last year. A brutal attack on the capital could have the potential to push the two nuclear-armed neighbours closer to the brink.
“(The doubts) hurt India’s credibility more now than ever before, especially as India is now under international focus and trying to tell the world to act against terrorism after attacks on Mumbai,” retired Major-General Ashok Mehta told Reuters.
Indians even have a phrase for these kind of suspicions – “fake encounters” – when police are accused of killing suspected criminals in cold blood and passing the incidents off as gunbattles to reap either fame or cash rewards.
“Doubts have always persisted about fake encounters and killings in India, but everything looks suspicious in this case,” Mehta, a security analyst, said.
Surprisingly, India’s foreign ministry and home ministry have both been silent on the case.
The doubts highlight a problem for India – that many people doubt the credibility of police accounts just as the Indian government is trying to show the world that Pakistan is behind militant attacks on its soil.
While similar incidents have been reported on the eve of many Republic Days, they did not have the same impact pre-Mumbai.
Now the stakes are higher, given the potential of incidents like these, real or fake, to raise diplomatic tension.
“FAKE ENCOUNTERS?”
One newspaper expressed doubts about the timing of Sunday’s incident.
“We would have been a wee bit surprised had the police not produced some ‘terrorists’ - slain or alive – in the run-up to the Republic Day,” the Mail Today said.
“For the past many years encounters and arrests have been regular as the official ceremony on these occasions.”
The Times of India raised several suspicions, from conflicting police versions to the fact two previous encounters had taken place in the same isolated spot in less than 10 months.
The militants not only advertised their intentions with a gun-laden bag, they also asked for directions from a tea-seller – who just happened to be a police informer, the paper said.
Uttar Pradesh police said they were still investigating.
“People are free to interpret and react to the situation in their own ways,” senior Uttar Pradesh police officer Rajiv Krishna said, when asked about reports of a fake encounter.
Indian security experts say there is no doubt that Indian police are dealing every week with militant cells.
There have been a string of bomb attacks on cities in the past two years, killing hundreds of people, including the most infamous – when gunmen killed 179 in coordinated raids on India’s financial hub.
The Indian government and many experts say there is ample evidence that Pakistan is communicating with many of these cells. Western allies such as the United States are convinced of the evidence that Pakistani militants were involved in Mumbai.
But while the threat is real, doubts about the police will not go away.
“The problem is credibility of the police and the fact that nobody believes the police these days,” Julio Ribeiro, former Mumbai police commissioner, told Reuters.
India’s human rights commission is investigating a previous gunbattle in New Delhi last year against two suspected Islamist militants after media alleged it could have been faked.
In Sunday’s incident, the police came from one of India’s most lawless and corrupt states, Uttar Pradesh.
“These encounters are very murky,” said Ajai Sahni, executive director at the Institute for Conflict Management.
“The fact that it happened in UP raises more doubts, but that doesn’t mean it was a fake encounter.”