1st ODI - What went wrong?

IMO, the biggest issue with Pakistan team right now is that they keep shuffling thier batting line up. We have no shortage of talented batsmen but it’s about time they assign specific slots to them. I found it rediculous that in Tests, they chose to send Afridi to open the innings and in the ODI, he is batting at number 8 position.

In the past two/three years, we have tried so many opening combinations, but for some reason, a player get kicked out for not performing well in just one season, even though the talent is clearly there. Look at Tendulkar’s career - can you believe that he did not score his first hundred till his 79th match? Now the guy has 34. The Indian selectors knew that that the talent was there and they gave him time. Just look at the kind of bastman he is now. But for some reason, our selectors kick a guy out if he fails to perform in one season, or even one match (in Salman Butt’s case).

I just hope our selectors and Captain learn to utilize the talent properly - and soon.

You guys agree? Disagree? What do you think our main problem is?

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That too and I think our fielding also sucks. We're just lazy bums and we've traditionally sucked at fielding :D Haath paaon hilanay mein hamaray team members kee jaan nikal jaati hae :D

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There's no way Afridi should be sent in at 8. He only scores at that position if the team is already in a good position and the top/middle order has piled up a decent total. If the top order collapses, so does Afridi. His thinking is "If the top order didn't do squat, then I sure ain't sticking around for much longer."

Yes, Afridi should be the opener and Akmal, the #8. The shots that Butt, Akmal, Malik got out to would've sailed over the fielders' head if hit by Afridi. Inzimam had to fail once in a while, but Malik doesn't look encouraging.

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I agree Afridi should be opening in India. He is the one guy likeShewag that takes the game away from opposition. Also I think they should now stick withButt.
Dansih should also be included as he is a wicket taker and weneed him in middle overs.
But in this match something really went wrong with the team and I hope they will come back strongly in the next match and level the series.

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what went wrong? start counting:

  1. Tendulkar & Ganguly failed with the bat
  2. Shewag got out too soon

other than that, the 1st ODI was just fine

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Please read the post before making comments. I am talking about what went wrong from Pakistan’s perspective :rolleyes:

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well I personally feel that our fielding cost us the match.. this freaking Hafeez should'nt be there in the team. Sehwag got one and only one chance in the first test off the bolwing of Sami and he scored 173, and what is he suppose to do now, if he is dropped 1st ball..

Really, our fielding is just disasterous..

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Mohd. Hafeez should not be anywhere near the team...I guess you just have to be a dog in Lahore to make the team..... Kamran Ahmaq's role should be reevaluated.....looks like his inconcequential century in the VB series against the hapless Windies has set him up for the next decade or so...., Razzaq and Malik should be put out of their collective miseries.....

Yasir Hameed should have been in the team.....Afridi should have been sent higher....In the absence of Younis Khan....it was high time for the two wusses....Inzi and YoYo to have taken the charge and gone higher in the lineup.....and fielding left a whole lot to be desired(see Hafeez).......

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There are 3 reasons why Pakistan lost today.

1.) Hafeez dropping Sehwag on first ball of the day.

2.) Inzimam allowed easy singles to Sehwag and Dravid after they were 4-2, and never attacked enough.

3.) And our top order batsmen were over agressive in their approach, especially someone like Malik who could have played his natural game rather then blasting from the word go.

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Well, I am persoanlly not a fan of Hafeez either, but he was the highest scorer (for Pakistan) in this match, and Aamer Sohail kept on saying good things about him, but I don’t know why since his batting average is only 18 something with a strike rate of 51.

I think Afridi should be sent as an opener and yes, I also think that the dropped catch on the first ball of the match cost us the game :mad:.

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Well dear friend, there is absolutely no way we can avoid such incidents. Probably, Australian fielders have put on one of the worst displays in the field in the last 8 months or so. All Australian fielders have dropped catches in the slip on a regular basis. As a matter of fact there was an article in cricinfo in which the poor standard of aussies’s fielding was discussed. Anyway what i am trying to say that every team drops catches on a given day. However, a good team keeps on trying to make up for such mistakes. I am not saying that we should stop improving the standard of our fielding but there is no way we could eliminate the factor of “dropped catches” or “missed run outs” completely. I guess the problem is somewhere else. Right now paki team is obsessed with sehwag. It is some sort of psychological problem. We need a plan to control him. The good thing is that India also depends on sehwag a little too much. Once we get that ugly monster out of the equation relatively quick, the Indian team would be under tremendous pressure. I guess we need to strategize a little better. The think-tank should determine that in the last 50 innings, what was the most dominant mode of dismissal for sehwag and then we should attack accordingly. Right now the whole Indian team is revolving around Dravid and Sehwag. We need to attack them but unfortunately we posses very little bowling ammunition right now.

Second, it is the fourth time ( 3 time in Australia) in last 5 matches that our top 4 batsmen were back in the pavilion by 60 runs. This is pathetic and one of the main reasons why we are not winning. In Australia we contained Australia twice less than 240 but in return we lost 4 players before 30 runs. We need to figure out a strategy again., I guess our bowling is doing just fine but our batting is simply horrible. I have statistics to prove that Pakistan only wins ( at least majority of the time) when Youhana and Inzimam both put decent score in the same match. This is not acceptable. Every one should participate. Our top 4 players (with inzi and yoyo an exception) are simply crap right now. We need to solve that problem.

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Here we go again.

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I did read that but thought that was quite obvious:

  1. missed catches
  2. lousy batting

it’s easy to tell what’s wrong when you lost; it’s necessary to probe what can be improved, when we won.

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i keep on saying the same thing

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Its quite simple. We lost this game due to a lack of dedication and commitment. This includes poor fielding and some incredibly bad shot selection by the batsmen.
I still think we have a stronger ODI team than the Indians and I hope that we can show it for the remainder of this series.

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I don't know who should be drop or who should be added, things will remain the same if their head is stuck up their azzz...The team needs to grow up and play like a team, aggressive. This is India Vs. Pakistan ODI, not another game in your street. This is a serious game and they need to behave just like that. I think Inzi, Yoyo and some other players usually will do the job and all these young, stupid, hero wanna be will ruin this series for us.

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maa ppl maa pppl wat dont u understand . have u fogetton the old AFRIDI the one who used OPEN and i think that was the one reason who got him out of the team. thats wat i think there shouldnt be any position for afridi but opening we should have regular openers if inzi want to go with kamran than stick with him that gives us an extra top order batsman . we should use AFRIDI and RAZZAQ whenever we need t o improve a better strike rate he could be used right after shoaib malikwhen thing get lil easy or even we need to boost up but sending him as opener in ODI dont make that mistake again

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what went wrong?

our players dont think

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I believe that we lost because our team looked at Indian loss in last Test match… Indian batting went in defensive shell and lost 10 wickets on day 5, our team tried to avoid being defensive and just look at almost every player who threw away wicket and you’ll agree that they were trying to be unnecessarily aggressive and threw away their wickets in the process… they probably thought that we are Australian who can continue to “blast” opposition, wickets will fall but someone (or two) will stand the opposition and we’ll reach destination.

Those who think Afridi doesn’t do squat when no one does should look at his previous innings, its not correct. He has stood up a few times when rest couldn’t, but unfortunately he has not driven to destination… he is not that kind of player to drive us to destination… his job is to smack opposition with quick fire scores so job for next batsmen (or tailenders) is not that difficult.

Also, it was Shoaib’s first match, he’ll come good in next ones :insha: so no worries :slight_smile:

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Indians under Dada's cap10-C paid there dues to the side. They played well as the 'team' should play. It was no where an 'individual effort', and on top of that they used decoys and ploys against the Pakistani players with the minimum effort, and did well too.

Ashish Nehra as compare to Hafeez was the dark horse, and must have dented few expectation of the Pak team in the future games.

To balance out the drawbacks, the Indians had to go through the 'scare' of scoring under 300+ runs on a perfect batting wicket.

Can Pakistan bounce back to its normal winning streak?
I don't know. And I don't care any more untill Shoaib Akhter stays out of the team
and the experimentation continues at the top order..