Salam. The other day I vaguely heard some uncle talking about the 1965 war b/w India & Pakistan. He was saying something about how the Indian Army saw a third line of defense in a green uniform and there was no such thing. Then another time when they were throwing bombs down and they said someone caught them & there was a green sheet on the city or something, like they had the help of Allah’s army. so I got curious. Anyone have details on this matter? I thought u guys were the best ppl to ask lol. Thanks 
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Prolly Jinns 
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Pak india wars are not holy wars. they are driven by nationalism
pilots in IAF and PAFs were christians to a large extent
......enough said
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Just Indians trying to justify why they couldn't beat a smaller army after catching it by surprise ;)
On a more serious note, Allah SWT could make anything happen.
However, bear in mind that many soldiers throughout history make claims of angels. British soldiers after the first major battle against Germany in 1914 at Mons claimed that the Germans were prevented from winning by a line of angels that descenced and fought them off with bows and arrows!
Afer the war, an author later claimed that this was just a rumour based off a story he wrote in which similar events happened, but it's still part of British popular legend to this day.
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even the Christian soldiers during the Crusade made claims that angels were fighthing alongside them aganist the Turks. 
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That is nothing man..
Even Allah:swt: claimed angels fighting alongside with Muslims in Badar
and then He:swt: went further in Quran and guaranteed help through angels IF muslims were to fight in the way of Allah:swt:
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Is it your national problem that you come with silly statements even at a religious forum?
Do you know that Pakistan was left with an armory stock for two days war only by the end which compelled Ayub to run to his western Akas for a respectful settlement?
Check with your armed forces records!
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. British soldiers after the first major battle against Germany in 1914 at Mons claimed that the Germans were prevented from winning by a line of angels that descenced and fought them off with bows and arrows!
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I thought it was the rapid british rifle fire that kept the germans at bay?....and they latter suggested that they had faced massed british MGs.
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I heard of this story too but the way it was explained to me was that every time the Indian plains made an attempt to throw the bombs, those bombs would never hit the ground they were somehow destroyed in the air.
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dearie..you shouldn’t be complainin now coz you’re not even SUPPOSED to be on this forum. SO SCRAM!
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Yes, I do have details on this matter. One word: FICTION!!!!!
Such stories should be entertained in one ear and promptly allowed free passage through another ear. OK. :D
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good viewpoint, very right about the issue
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Pilots in both afs were majority christians?
Zu viel Wodka bruder? 
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alright not majority but a good many were christians
The fact is that no matter how much we try to project these wars as "jihad" there were quite clearly not
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2-3 were in PAF while I don't remember any in IAF.
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people who have been thru both the wars tell of many instances in which suddenly they were shielded by a "white sheet" which came in between them n the enemy.but i noticed one curious thing which was that these instances only happened in war of 65, the writings abt 71 were devoid of these.Coincedently in one book which i read name of "CHEENTAY" ,the writer said that by 71 most of the generals had started drinking n had become corrupt whereas in 65 the spiritual purity was undiluted. besides who said that angels can help only in holywars? anyways just sharing my thoughts.
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err...what spiritual purity? pak army generals were as decadent as ever in 65
the problem lies more with the Indians they had a lot of equipment and men but poor warplans and almost no cooordination with the airforce
while the Pak army and airforce were smaller but wellorganised that is why in the shortterm war was going our way.But in many instances like Asal Uttar where the IAF did fight the pak armor suffered just as much as the Indian
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besides who said that angels can help only in holywars?
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Why should the angels help in unholy wars?
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err...what spiritual purity? pak army generals were as decadent as ever in 65
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umm ok.i was born in 77 and had to rely on books buss so i dont know except wat i read, written by people who survived 65 and 71.
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the problem lies more with the Indians they had a lot of equipment and men but poor warplans and almost no cooordination with the airforce
while the Pak army and airforce were smaller but wellorganised that is why in the shortterm war was going our way.
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jee acha,just like ur giving me info exactlay aisay hi parha tha but kuch aur.but aap sahih kehtay hongay jee.
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Why should the angels help in unholy wars?
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wat i said was " who said that angels can help only in holywars?".only being the key word and that leaves a very broad category open.personally i wudnt know,havent seen or talked with any angel but again have read that angels do come n help.maybe all is a lie but i still like to believe in them helping.sorry for the bad editing.
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[quote] umm ok.i was born in 77 and had to rely on books buss so i dont know except wat i read, written by people who survived 65 and 71
I was born in 79 it is not about experincing it firsthand but do consult neutral sources for claims pak and indians are bad historians
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jee acha,just like ur giving me info exactlay aisay hi parha tha but kuch aur.but aap sahih kehtay hongay jee.
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sorry didnt mean to be too critical but paks usually exaggerate the claims in 65 war that is why I thought I had to write this
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wat i said was " who said that angels can help only in holywars?".only being the key word and that leaves a very broad category open.personally i wudnt know,havent seen or talked with any angel but again have read that angels do come n help.maybe all is a lie but i still like to believe in them helping.sorry for the bad editing
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my question is why would God send his angels in a war where there is no reason for divine intervention?
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can i analyse the mind of god? NO
miracles happen,one happened with me although there was no angelic intervention. i will go in a roundabout way,the fallen angel ie the devil,he leads people astray doesnt he,he swore to it, logical to assume there must be angels who help people too.U r considering a macroscopic scenario of war,consider saving private ryan,its a micro dimension of a macro event.maybe some individuals did merit having angels intervene on THEIR behalf in 65 and NOT against the enemy,but on the behalf of the individual.
i just woke up,m woozy and i like ur replies.