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afraid from whom?
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Anwaar,
Whom were you suggesting?
Let me be clear.
I fear that I will be discriminated against due to no fault of my own.
I fear that legitimate issues and concerns pertaining to the Muslim community will be neglected or pushed to the back-burner due to the actions of a few hot heads.
I fear that backlash will affect me in my workplace, in my heighbourhood.
I fear that backlash will affect my child amongst her peers.
I fear that a racially charged environment will cause permanent damage in hearts and minds.
I fear that the home that my parents worked so hard to establish for me, a home where I have grown up and contributed to will begin to treat me as a suspect, an unwelcome intruder that poses a threat.
And finally, I fear being in the mosque at a time when it is vandalized or being in the building that is terrorized. I fear losing my life and not being able to see my daughter grow up because someone else decides that this is the day I will die.
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im just glad that finally our media is becoming a little responsible...and mr. Blair even mentioned that this act was not motivated by faith...slowly but surely cdn ppl will start realizing this fact as well.
Man with a planet you are right if the goraas (Al cracker dont realize that its their fault.
To be honest, i was little hesitant to tell ppl of my back ground after 9/11, but of course i never hid the fact that i was a muslim (unfortunately not a very good follower). Any how after learning that i was muslim some collegues at work stop talking to me and one girl was even bold enough to show her hatred towards me in the open, but that didnt bother me one bit, because i dont give a **** about her views. but its true 2 billion of us live in this planet and because of the few we all are being labeled, thats where we need to educate others and the media.
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some non muslims do harbor a lot of hate for muslims, just like some muslims have a lot of hatred for non muslims or even other muslims.
People are innocent until proven guilty, but that does not mean that they are above suspicion or that their actions, possessions, and statements can not and will not be questioned.
I doubt that scott peterson was muslim or Oj simpson was muslim but the media, analysts, experts and avg joe widely debated and discussed the evidence, circumstances etc etc. Thats just the way it is.
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Whom were you suggesting?
Let me be clear. I fear that I will be discriminated against due to no fault of my own. I fear that legitimate issues and concerns pertaining to the Muslim community will be neglected or pushed to the back-burner due to the actions of a few hot heads. I fear that backlash will affect me in my workplace, in my heighbourhood. I fear that backlash will affect my child amongst her peers. I fear that a racially charged environment will cause permanent damage in hearts and minds.
I fear that the home that my parents worked so hard to establish for me, a home where I have grown up and contributed to will begin to treat me as a suspect, an unwelcome intruder that poses a threat.
And finally, I fear being in the mosque at a time when it is vandalized or being in the building that is terrorized. I fear losing my life and not being able to see my daughter grow up because someone else decides that this is the day I will die.
Very true.
One more question:
In such cases, who do you think you should go and ask for help?
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People are innocent until proven guilty, but that does not mean that they are above suspicion or that their actions, possessions, and statements can not and will not be questioned.
I doubt that scott peterson was muslim or Oj simpson was muslim but the media, analysts, experts and avg joe widely debated and discussed the evidence, circumstances etc etc. Thats just the way it is.
village folks burning some witches
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sorry, you, I or anyone writing on this forum, passing their comments in some living room or in some cafe or even a journalist does not have the authority to pass a legal verdict, what people are doign is expressing their opinions. Some whose opinions you may like, some whose opinions you may not like. It is hardly equivalent to a lynch mob or villagers burning witches where there was some sort of 'mob justice' going on.
we see opinions here everyday, why do we only have issues when opinions are those that we dont like. Some of us have issues with opinions expressed at CNN or BBC, but what about opinions at jazeera or takbir or jasarat or nawa-e-waqt?
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^ I see you don't like her opnion very much :)
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At the end of the day, in such cases or other cases that are not like this, I end up going to Allah and seeking refuge in His mercy.
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and while I may kick those opinions around like a crushed tin in an alley, I am not stopping her from expressing those opinions 
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not to say that you can not or should not go to local law enforcement authorities. nothing happens without he consent of Allah but one has to try all avenues law enforement, citizen watch groups, private securty firms, neighbourhood watches, volunteer groups what nots..
I think Iknw the intent of the question that you responded to so thought I would state what was being asked to then jump upon subsequently 
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Indeed. I think I got my answer. Thank you for such a nice and beautiful reply.
I remember reading a translations of an ayah long time ago [unfortunately, do not remember the correct reference] but it says something along the lines that hypocrites, though portrayed as muslims, when calamity inflicts them, they turn to their friends in non-muslims.
That particular word by word translation induced a shivering in my spine. That was scary. We must indeed look towards Allah:swt: for Allah says in Surah Al Baqarah(2) of Quran:
153. O ye who believe! seek help with patient perseverance and prayer; for Allah is with those who patiently persevere.
154. And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah. “They are dead.” Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not.
155. Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere,
156. Who say, when afflicted with calamity: “To Allah We belong, and to Him is our return”:-
157. They are those on whom (Descend) blessings from Allah, and Mercy, and they are the ones that receive guidance.
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because recently a dozen of people have been released from french jails after spending two years there for crimes they never committed, only because the judge was “pressed” by the media to jail them to appease some minds, so yes i’m very sensitive about the topic of false accusations, mass media “justice” and passing opinions about people criminality when we know nothing about those people’s lives
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Then that is the judge's fault for not being able to have his own mind and keeping his legal opinion and assessment sepeate from media opinions being transmitted.
The fault is not the media or the publics in having an opinion, but the judge's for not being unbiased and objective. A better approach would be to ensure the objectivity of judges rather than muzzle the rest of the world.
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i don't care that people like me or not, all i care is about human freedom, developpment and justice, and no one can stop me from saying things supporting my hopes for a better humanity, not even people calling me utopian or naive
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The fault is not the media or the publics in having an opinion, but the judge's for not being unbiased and objective. A better approach would be to ensure the objectivity of judges rather than muzzle the rest of the world.
I am not supporting the muzzling of the world, i'm only concerned about the circus made around this affair, the press conference was a communication SHOW, little real proof, false proofs on the table, a list of names that are all 'exotic', addresses provided to the public so that lynches can happen.
this theatralisation of arrests and criminal investigation is a mascarade, and an insult to human privacy of life.
detectives, police and judges should do their work seriously, not like some puppets in the hands of TV
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^ english not being taught in france now? Asif did not say thats omeone does not like 'you' I clearly read it as someone not likign your opinion :) two very diff things.
please continue to say things to support a better humanity, the sudanese need more visibility of their plight desperately.
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1)no real proof will be shared until legal proceedings have begun, you may get tidbits of info but thats it
2)false proof? how do you know sitting a thousand miles away if the proof was false..sherlock
3) hey I would take this media circus anyday over people’s heads being chopped off in soccer stadiums, but thats a diff topic.
4) list of names that are exotic because these are the names. what other names do you want, change these guys names to bob jones? or to just get some randon people to make the balance of names exotic and run of the mill?
5) privacy of life? hey in my city when someone is arrested it is in the paper, whether it is for drunk driving or for breaking and entering. why should this be different?
detectives, polie and judges should do their work independently. Whether or not they are puppets in the hands of TV (or in pahia i.e. wheel jaam hartaals in some countries by certain groups) is their own responsibility.
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figures.