16,000 Kashmiris Languishing in Indian Jails on Dubious Charges

You're not understanding correctly. I said he was in jail/exile/house arrest for most of that twenty year period...which no one will deny. This is really just getting pathetic.

What are you talking about...there were separate electorates for Muslims during the British Raj...and by the 1946 elections, the Muslim league won nearly 90% of the Muslim vote.

I repeat...does the fact that virtually no Muslims supported the Congress Party make them any less of a "nationalist" party?

In the 1/2 of British India that was under direct British rule, your forefathers were indeed given a choice...they were allowed to express their opinions on the future of their homeland through their democratically elected representatives in the Constituent Assembly.

As for the other 1/2 which fell under the authority of various princely states...most princes had the decency to make their decision based on the demographics of their state and popular opinion. In the few cases where the princes openly flouted the will of their subjects, and their subjects wanted to join India [Junagadh, Hyderabad]...your government was more than happy to invade, and promptly hold a plebiscite so the people could be heard. It's only Kashmir that we see the India's total hypocrisy.

"Of or pertaining to India or its peoples or cultures"

India's difficulties in building a national identity aren't our problem.

PS...I though you people pride yourself on the strength of your "Indian" identity. You take so much joy in denouncing the two-nation theory, and yet here you are complaining about how your secular utopia has no binding national identity.

That goes back to our having no real social, economic, or historic ties to modern-day India. To this day, there isn't even an all-weather road connecting Kashmir to India...once the snow comes down, the only way to get to India from Kashmir is by plane.

The only roads out of Kashmir that are usable year round go to Rawalpindi and Sialkot in Pakistan.

The reason why the Pathans were so successful in grabbing 1/3 of J&K is because the local people in what is now Azad Kashmir and the Northern Areas actually rebelled against the Maharaja so they could join Pakistan. Indians seem to completely gloss over the fact that well before a single Pathan had crossed over into Kashmir, the people of Poonch, Mirpur, Muzaffarabad, and Kotli had already rebelled in favor of Pakistan.

If the Pathans hadn't gotten so caught up in raping and looting, I doubt they would have encountered much resistance from the people of Kashmir either. Outside Sheikh Abdullah's power base in urban Srinagar, most of the population was probably in favor of joining Pakistan anyways.

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I just posted this in another threat, where most pakistani's on GS were prending to be great supporters of Kashmiri Independence:

*The Pakistani's on this GS thread, seem to be the educated living overseas types who have no objection to Kashmir not joining Pakistan - but who will explain this to the Pakistani masses & army.

Same is the case with an Kashmiri (educated & living abroad) on GS who talks of Independence for Kashmir, but if 'azad Kashmir' is free, then why does she not move on there.

Why live in misery, I would also welcome if she can take the other fanatics with her - perhaps then the hundreds of thousands of Hindus rotting in refugees camps can return to their homes.*

I see you're throwing a tantrum now because you didn't get the responses you wanted.

For the last time, "Azad Jammu and Kashmir" isn't Kashmir.

It's so ironic...you pretend to have so much sympathy for the plight of the Pandits...and yet you seem to be in favor of expelling virtually all Kashmiri Muslims from their homeland (after all...most of us support independence...and therefore we must all be "fanatics" by your definition).

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Janab: Perhaps “ap bhohut bholee hain”, the reality stares you in the face, yet you want to believe in what you want to believe. Read this:

http://www.strategicforesight.com/sfgnews_114.htm

or this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/southasia/stories/kashmir073098.htm

or this

or this

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9708/India97/shared/sibling.rivalry/index.html

http://www.pakistanlink.com/nayyer/10082004.html

http://members.tripod.com/~INDIA_RESOURCE/pok.html

If reading these articles does not convince you (There are thousands more - just google!), that Pakistan wants Kashmir by hook or by crook - nothing will.

Hello Janab E Ali,

There is no such thing as 'azad Jammu and Kashmir'. A portion of Kashmir is ruled by Pakistan and rest of it (Jammu and Kashmir) is actually a state in India. I think there is a small portion that Pakistan donated to China.

It is true however that some misguided people under the encourage, support and participation of Pakistan based terrorist groups have in the past seriously attacked people of Kashmir (I will refer to the Indian part as J&K). In retaliation India has had to deploy a lot of military there to catch and punish these terrorists and those locals who either take money and support from these terrorists or are indoctrinated through the preaching of religious hatred.

Obviously such people hide their treachery (for taking money from enemy or for spewing religious hatred to kill their own innocent people of J&K) by using terms such as Independent Kashmir etc.

Unfortunately from time to time Indian government due to internal party politics plays into the hands of these traitors and their leaders by giving them invitation to meetings etc instead of just putting them in jail and warning Pakistan strictly to stop supporting them. The one occasion when such strong warning was given and military was positioned, even though Pakistan also moved forces to border, we did see dramatic fall in number of terrorist attacks.

What this proves is the following:

1) The idea of Independent Kashmir is simply a meal ticket for self-agg*****zement of some traitors

2) Indian government should stop giving any quarter to these traitors and work out party politics to their exclusion

3) Indian military must increase presence in J&K, as much as needed to serve as a constant and permanent warning to Pakistan that escalation of terrorism and support to traitor will not be allowed

4) The current public policy of putting any military commanders on trial for excesses should be continued - this is the only way to clean up the image of tyranny that the traitors have managed to establish

Regards
Pundit Vikram

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^
yawn

typical hate-filled rhetoric from a hate-filled indian.

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Janab - in another topic, you mentioned "A Kashmiri-American think tank put together this map of a hypothetical Kashmiri state".

Also you mentioned your relatives were offered 'cabinet positions' - so which faction do you really belong?? Or are you a cadre of the Jummu & Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF).

Earlier also you had mentioned, that you were visited by the police while on a visit to India for your sister marriage - ofcourse the police will question a 'trailor', probably they are keeping full tabs on you!!

So, out with the truth - you are no 'bholee bhalee female' but just another group of kashmiri-american think tank, with an secessionist agenda..

I got the map off their website...I'm not a member. Even if I was, I fail to see what the issue would be.

My grandfather refused to be affiliated with any Indian political party...which is why he turned down those offers.

I guess all Kashmiri Muslims are traitors then...because we're all treated like garbage in mainland India.

Hello Janab e Ali,

This is usually the one of the two reactions when the 'muslim card' tricks used by mal-agenda driven people are exposed. The other is to get desperate and go explode a bomb in a school or a temple. I am glad you chose the more peaceful reaction.

Regards
Pundit Vikram

And the typical Indian reaction is to murder and rape an innocent Kashmiri family.

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Moonshiner: please see # 167. All is not what it seems.

This Kashmir issue is very complicated & emotions run high on both sides.

It is best to 'freeze' the issue or accept the LOC as our international borders.

The alternative is too horrible to contemplete. It is a receipe for mutual distruction.

It just seems you have an incessant hatred of females and Muslims.

Calling all Muslims terrorists...very classy :biggthumb

It's just typical Hindu hatred.

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There is some truth in PV's views - how come muslims can not live in peace within any country.

Even if they have their country, they keep fighting with all different factions of Islam.(eg. Pakistan - Sunni's vs Shias, Iraq - Kurds vs sunnis vs shias, Turkey - Kurds vs sunnis, Lebonon - christian vs sunnis vs shias, Afganistan - different ethnic groups / war lords. Even in China- the muslims want to break away. Russia - they want to break away.

Lets take Pakistan - Jinnah broke away from India because he said muslims where a different nation ( 2 nation theory). Yet Muslim Bangla Desh broke away from Pak, now the Balochs & others want to leave. Muslim behari's rotting in BD - why because they were Behari's???

Hello Janab Ali,

I called those who use bombs as terrorists. You are the one equating that to all muslims. Which tells me you are not only a traitor to India but also to those muslims who are peaceful.

As someone said, life indeed is one series of bitter episodes for people like you whose heart is filled with hate and treachery. Even so, lying is silly, don't do it.

Regards
Pundit Vikram

Being a traitor to a racist country like India is a very commendable act.

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The Indians on this thread are the only ones filled with barbaric hatred towards women, Muslims and Kashmiris. They are the biggest supporters of rape and murder.

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This thread has just devolved into a bunch of Indians hurling insults at Muslims.

Please stay on topic. Avoid irrelevance.

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[mod]Guys, lets please stay on topic. There is no need to go off-topic to prove your stance. Thank you. [/mod]