16,000 Kashmiris Languishing in Indian Jails on Dubious Charges

[anjjan]

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The Indian Govt does not allow minorities to propagate their religion is a news to me. I do not understand how come minorities are increasing in a cruel state like India?

I do not know the Islamic custom in other India cities, but in Delhi Muslims offer Friday Namaz on an open running road in between Nehru place and South ex.

I have seen many Churches and Sikh Gurdwaras at Ayodhya, Mathura and at Varanasi and these worship places are not built up at any disturbing location….but only Muslims were keen on building Mosques at the entire centre of Hindus religious places or in the vicinity of Hindu temples.
What is wrong if BJP/RSS want to correct a mistake not allowed as per the great values of Islam?

Riots history…. in majority of cases Hindus have never started the riots. And this time janab has shown some sense by not accusing the State Govt for Godhra train carnage.

We had a Muslim President and a Sikh Prime Minister at the same time recently…..I could not find a single article or demonstration against theses appointments on religious grounds……Are not Hindus secular?

We have solved our problem with Sikh gentry……and off course I want to know the exact date when Muslims felt a brotherhood with Sikhs after killing their Gurus, minor children of Gurus and after massacring Sikhs in bulk in 1947.

I have not asked Kashmiri Muslims to leave Kashmir as quoted by janab…..My question is why janab does not ask those Kashmiri Muslims, who are making money in bulk by all means in other parts of India…to leave those places and money oriented business in protest against cruel India.

[vineshvk]

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janab-e-ali take a chill pill and move on. It has been discussed at length here and the reasonable solution is to make the LOC permanent. Pakistan can keep whatever they have and India keeps the other part of Kashmir. Its time to move on.

[janab-e-ali]

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@anjjan

The Indian Govt does not allow minorities to propagate their religion is a news to me. I do not understand how come minorities are increasing in a cruel state like India?

Then you’re sadly misinformed.

There are a good 5-10 states in India where conversions are banned, thanks to the efforts of the BJP/RSS.

@vineshvk

janab-e-ali take a chill pill and move on. It has been discussed at length here and the reasonable solution is to make the LOC permanent. Pakistan can keep whatever they have and India keeps the other part of Kashmir. Its time to move on.

Too bad your “solution” doesn’t take into account the aspirations of the Kashmiri people. New Delhi and Islamabad can do whatever they want…this won’t be over till we’re satisfied.

[Pundit_Vikram]

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Hello all!

wow! This is one heated discussion. One point I would like to offer is that let us not treat all Kashmiris as one homogenous entity. while all Kashmiris want peace and harmony, there is a divide on how it should be achieved. I think it will take a few years before all Kashmiris are converted to start trusting the government. Unfortunately I have come across a few people who are so frustrated about some of the army actions in the past and will find very difficut to trust.

@Janab-e-Ali - where in Kashmir to you live?

regards
Pundit Vikram

[Monk]

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@vineshvk

janab-e-ali take a chill pill and move on. It has been discussed at length here and the reasonable solution is to make the LOC permanent. Pakistan can keep whatever they have and India keeps the other part of Kashmir. Its time to move on.

or
give the whole thing to pakistan where it belong.
As you ancestors promised.
Or their word don’t hold any value for you ??

[malhot]

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Kashmir is a part of India - people like Janab will either have to face the reality, or move on.

The Jihadi's brought this culture of murder & mayham. What you have sown, you shall reap.

Janab, constantly crying & playing the victim card is not going to work, unless you openly & completely condemn the Jihadis & and the Pakistani governments hand in this mess.

[anjjan]

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Then you're sadly misinformed.

There are a good 5-10 states in India where conversions are banned, thanks to the efforts of the BJP/RSS. .

/\/\/\Another wrong statement.
In some States in India some provisions have been added to the conversion law, but conversion as such is not banned anywhere, in any Indian State.

The fact is that the mind-set like janab feeds the Islamic mind and the Muslim minor’ psyche with wrong information and venom against other communities.
A bunch of terrorists are not our enemies, but the people behind the curtain who prepare grounds for them and find easy justifications for their activities.

Re conversion in Islamic state…..If I am right a Muslim cannot convert to another religion and if he does so the law of blasphemy is provoked against him, whereas minority communities are encouraged by different agencies to convert to Islam.

[vineshvk]

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Then you're sadly misinformed.

There are a good 5-10 states in India where conversions are banned, thanks to the efforts of the BJP/RSS.

Too bad your "solution" doesn't take into account the aspirations of the Kashmiri people. New Delhi and Islamabad can do whatever they want...this won't be over till we're satisfied.

If you believe like that , then you cannot expect normalcy in the state. if extremism is what you advocate then it will be facing equally oppressive military rule. No power present has the ability to demand India to surrender its part of Kashmir.

[vineshvk]

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or give the whole thing to pakistan where it belong. As you ancestors promised. Or their word don't hold any value for you ??

come again!!!!

[malhot]

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Knockout artist - convert back to Hinduism - as your ancestors were....
Lets join back Bangladesh to Pakistan....
Let Pakistan join back with India, as your ancestors were..

• perhaps this sounds silly to you, just as your statement does to me!!.

So many things have happened since then, and yet your mind is stuck at a certain period of time!!!??

[Pundit_Vikram]

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or give the whole thing to pakistan where it belong. As you ancestors promised. Or their word don't hold any value for you ??

Hello Knockout_artist,

What did his ancestors promise? That they'd give Kashmir to Pakistan? You are mistaken.

Regards
Pundit Vikram

[janab-e-ali]

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/\/\/\Another wrong statement. In some States in India some provisions have been added to the conversion law, but conversion as such is not banned anywhere, in any Indian State.

Those very laws have been used to arrest nuns on flimsy charges of "forcing" conversions, and you claim people can convert openly?

Those laws are nothing more than a slightly more palatable way to express Hindu hegemony in BJP ruled states.

Kashmir is a part of India - people like Janab will either have to face the reality, or move on.

A couple decades back the British were saying the same thing about India.

Brute force imperialism only lasts so long.

Janab, constantly crying & playing the victim card is not going to work, unless you openly & completely condemn the Jihadis & and the Pakistani governments hand in this mess.

Who ever denied that they have a hand in this mess?

But the primary criminal is, and always has been, the Indian government.

If you believe like that , then you cannot expect normalcy in the state. if extremism is what you advocate then it will be facing equally oppressive military rule. No power present has the ability to demand India to surrender its part of Kashmir.

Of course...rejecting Indian imperialism is tantamount to religious extremism.

You Indians seriously just sound like broken records...repeating the same tired old lines about how Kashmir is your own personal property ad nauseum.

[malhot]

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Janab - You too seriously just sound like a broken record...repeating the same tired old lines about Kashmir, indian soldiers, pakistan etc etc.

[janab-e-ali]

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What can I say...responding to the same, fallacious allegations over and over again (all you people do is argue in circles) gets a little repetitive.

At least there's some substance to my arguments. The only "argument" you Indians seem to be capable of is "Kashmir is ours because we own it, and there's nothing the Kashmiris can do about it." Thankfully, that kind of imperialism only works for so long...the British learned it India, the French learned it in Algeria, and India will eventually learn it in Kashmir.

[Pundit_Vikram]

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Hello!

I am an Indian and I do not say Kashmir is ours. Kashmir is not a property to be owned. Pakistan is the one claiming POK is their property. Please get some facts before accusing of anything.

Regards
Pundit Vikram

[janab-e-ali]

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I am an Indian and I do not say Kashmir is ours.

Good for you. It's too bad that the vast majority of your compatriots disagree.

[vineshvk]

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What can I say...responding to the same, fallacious allegations over and over again (all you people do is argue in circles) gets a little repetitive.

At least there's some substance to my arguments. The only "argument" you Indians seem to be capable of is "Kashmir is ours because we own it, and there's nothing the Kashmiris can do about it." Thankfully, that kind of imperialism only works for so long...the British learned it India, the French learned it in Algeria, and India will eventually learn it in Kashmir.

substance, what substance. I havent seen a single proof from you that India started all this just for the heck of it. Every state in India can come up with same arguments like you have. Kashmir is no different , it gets complicated by the involvement of Pakistanies.

[janab-e-ali]

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@vineshvk

I havent seen a single proof from you that India started all this just for the heck of it.

It's not just for the heck of it...it's territorial greed and a pissing contest with Pakistan.

Your entire claim to Kashmir is based on the wishes of the Dogra maharaja...a widely-hated foreign despot who's only claim to authority over Kashmir was that his ancestors purchased it in a British treaty. There is clear indication that his unilateral action went against the will of most of the population, and against the wishes of the elected legislative assembly (I don't believe that's the case in any other Indian state). Knowing full well that they were ruling over a largely hostile population, the Indian government decided that the best course of action would be to suppress popular democracy as much as possible and install handpicked governments...which they proceeded to do for the next 40 years...culminating in the debacle that was the 1987 election, the proverbial 'straw that broke the camel's back.' The Kashmir movement predates both India & Pakistan, and would exist regardless of whether or not Pakistan was involved.

If you have other states that were forced to join your country in 1947, against the will of most of the population...and were subsequently bludgeoned into submission and denied their basic democratic rights, then they have every right to rebel as well.

[vineshvk]

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@janab-e-ali

It's not just for the heck of it...it's territorial greed and a pissing contest with Pakistan.

Your entire claim to Kashmir is based on the wishes of the Dogra maharaja...a widely-hated foreign despot who's only claim to authority over Kashmir was that his ancestors purchased it in a British treaty. There is clear indication that his unilateral action went against the will of most of the population, and against the wishes of the elected legislative assembly (I don't believe that's the case in any other Indian state). Knowing full well that they were ruling over a largely hostile population, the Indian government decided that the best course of action would be to suppress popular democracy as much as possible and install handpicked governments...which they proceeded to do for the next 40 years...culminating in the debacle that was the 1987 election, the proverbial 'straw that broke the camel's back.' The Kashmir movement predates both India & Pakistan, and would exist regardless of whether or not Pakistan was involved.

If you have other states that were forced to join your country in 1947, against the will of most of the population...and were subsequently bludgeoned into submission and denied their basic democratic rights, then they have every right to rebel as well.

its ur view my friend, but hardly any substance in ur rants. Ur parroting the same old stories and nothing new. Its the will of the people, its the will of the people, thats all you have. Its the will of the people in Gujarat to massacre Muslims, it was the will of the people in Germany to kill jews, it is the will of the people (janab) to separate and exterminate the pandits. So should we allow that.
Kashmir remained independent before Pathans attacked wasnt it. Who instigated them, who gave them weapons. India would not have got involved if it was not for Pakistan.
The other things happened because of the ever Pakistan funded extremist elements making its presence felt in Kashmir.
Regarding other states, they realized that being in a big union has its benefits and keep ranting of victimization and neglect will not cut water in the bigger world.

[hooda]

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my question to janab

wat would force indianarmy to withdraw from kashmir and the govt at delhi to declare that kashmir no longer belongs to india???