13 Yrs old Father

I will call a spade a spade, if you want to carry on living in your utopia-bubble then that's fine by me.

People like you do not have the courage to face the truth.

I love Pakistan more than you do, I was born and grew up in Britain but I've come back and settled in Pakistan, not in a posh place like DHA, Bahria, Clifton etc. (even though Alhamdulillah we could afford it) but in my ancestral village where half the buildings are still made from unbaked bricks and mud, our Hujra for example was built in my great-great-grandfathers time and there's no cinemas or shopping malls here either but I still love it.

Your claims that you love Pakistan are superficial and meaningless because you live in the West, FOB's like you will kill to get out of Pakistan, it's the only reason people like you marry Western born girls.

I love Pakistan and Islam, but I think with my Aqal instead of Jazbaat, I accept reality for what it is, I believe Islami Mahol and Quranic Shariah is the best way of life but sadly it is not practiced in our Pakistan.

You think with your Jazbaat (emotion) instead of with your Aqal (intelligence).

Just because you pretend everything is fine and dandy doesn't mean it really is.

PS. The fact that you can't debate in a civilised matter and have to resort to name calling just shows your ill-breeding and kameenapun.

Re: 13 Yrs old Father

very good points nosherwan and rozendeva :k:

I actually don’t find it at all surprising or shocking. I don’t know about other countries but come to Britain and you’ll see why I’m not surprised :chai:

Just remember people that those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, before we point fingers at the West we need to take a good look at our own Pakistani society.

No doubt Islam is the best but Muslims today are the worst.

We flaunt our Islamicness everywhere, our country is called an Islamic Republic, we plaster our shops and houses with Quranic Ayah's but in practice we have very little Islam.

I agree Fahaashat (sexual-sin, nudity etc.) is a sin and it should be called as such but it's not the only sin, it's only one sin...

The West doesn't claim to be Muslim but in many ways they are a lot more Islamic than a lot of Muslim socities e.g...

*In the West there is equality for everyone (regardless of whether you are a chaudary, kami-kameen, khan, mosali, rich or poor) now that is Islamic.

The West (at least Britain) is a welfare state, if somebody is poor and can't afford to survive the state will provide for their basic needs (Roti, Kaprra, Makaan) now that's from Islam, it's the same as how our Prophet (S) and the Khulafaah Ar-Rashideen (R) and the later righteous Caliphs (e.g. the Caliph who would do *gasht at night) provided the poor and needy from the Bait ul-Maal (State Treasury).

*In Pakistan the rich politicians build palaces in Britain and Saudia Arabia whilst the poor common man starves to death, even the Halvakhor Mullah's and big bellied Peer-Faqeers live in luxury and only preach about charity, that's unIslamic.

*In the West a boy and girl have the right to choose their lifepartner just like Allah and His Apostle (S) taught but in some parts of Pakistan girls are forcefully "married" to their cousin or to the Quran (even though there's no monks/nuns in Islam) to keep the family property in the tribe, if God forbid a girl rejects the partner her father chooses for her and instead chooses her own partner she is honour killed (e.g. Karo-Kari in Sindh), is that Islami Mahol to you?

*In Pakistan a girl or young boy will get raped and it's not likely they'll get justice if they are poor, now that's unIslamic whilst in the West a sex-offender or paedophile will rot in jail regardless of how rich they are.

*In Pakistan there is Rishwatkhori (bribery) so the rich can get away with anything and the innocent poor punished in their place, that's unIslamic.

*In the West everyone is honest to their profession, the police in the West earn a Halaal living by sweat of the brow like Islam teaches, they make you feel safe and secure. In Pakistan the police feed their big bellies on Haraam bribery and they terrorise the innocent poor people whilst they lick the butts of the rich. Who's more Islamic the Western police or the Pak police?

I can go on but I'll stop because it will be load-shedding time in a few minutes.

The West might accept nudity and sexual-sin, so what? It's wrong but it's only one sin, it's not like we're angels in Pak!

Fahaashat is a big sin but there's bigger sins, na to Maghreb mein koi kisi ka haq maarta hai aur na hi kisi ko taqleef pohnchaata hai whilst the poor get trampled all over in Pak.

There's a million more sins going on in Pakistan and it's not like Pakistan is free from sexual sin either, I admit it's worse to do it openly and to accept it but it does happen openly in Pak to, in Pakistan it's a status symbol to have fancy-boys or catamites, and it's men dressed in white robes and with flowing white beards who engage in Chokreybaazi/Bacheybaazi, an old man fell into 'Ishq with a local boy who went for missionary work with Tableeghi Jamaat to the tribal areas, this boy tells us how the old Tharkee unsuccesfully tried every trick in the book to win his heart, lol. Tharkeepun and Chokreybazi is just one sin which goes on in the most outwardly pious parts of Pak.

Prostitution of Paki girls also happens a lot, in Swat the poor sell their daughters in marriage to rich men visiting from Karachi and Lahore who pretend to marry them then sell them at a much higher price to a brothel. These things happen because there is a market for prostituion in Pakistan.

In Pakistan little children are kidnapped and their kidneys stolen and nobody takes action against that kind of thing?

They have a center in Pashtunkhwa where they kidnap and take people and remove their kidneys to sell them to foreigners, a person who managed to escape tells us Pakistanis run the place but White doctors (Ruskies?) check everyone for diseases before operating on them to remove their kidneys.

Slavery also still happens in Pakistan, they kidnap people and take them up to some mountainous area where they are imprisoned in a big Haveli (courtyard) at night and slave them at a stone mine during the day, a woman who escaped told us this.

So yeah this is our wonderful Pakistan, it will keep getting worse and worse if we don't open our eyes and instead choose to keep prancing about to *"Ham zinda qaum hain, paindah qaum hain". *

We need to think rationally and accept reality. Empty josh and jazba wont get us anywhere.

Thankyou ji.

Don’t talk like my door paar ka rishtaydaar.

About time you change your village!!! :D

Re: 13 Yrs old Father

So did anyone readhow the 13yo boy is willing to take a paternity test b/c apparently two other boys have come forward saying they had sex with the girl and could be the father? And thse boys are 15-16.

i was enjoying ur posts until u made this horrid statement...

in intelligent person like urself should know better

in regards to the actual thread.. why is noone condemning the 15 yr old mother who apparently has slept with about 3-4 other guys who are claiming that the child might be theirs..

hmm

b/c Im sure someone would cry double standards!!
I find her actions/mindset more questionable than anyoe else's. She's about 2 years older than him, teenage girls are suposed to be alot mroe mature than guys their age...she looks old enought o be HIS mom. xactly what did hse see in this baby-kid?

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well back when i was in HS... there were girls rumoured to have been sleeping around (we must have been 13-14 ourselves if not younger) and i wont say what these girls were called... my mind was quite young back then, so i didnt ask why the guys werent being labeled as such either

but, this article indicates, the boy is devoted to the girl... while the girl has been sleeping around with guys (whether its true or not), but why are her actions being overlooked? or is it completely ok to get pregnant at 14 and be a mother by 15? is that acceptable?

in today's age, where people are finding it hard to grow out of being teenager, are these teens ready to be parents? yikes... before they have even finished HS, their kids will prob be going into kinder... how will they provide for the education?

Anything is allowed in UK :@: Hardly anyone gives a damn, kids as young as 10 claims to ave lost their viringity…and their parents seems to be proud of this…
When it comes to stuff like this, than uk wins the award i guess :hmmm:

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^ yeah, i was reading that that was the case

but is it cus its recorded there? Ive seen girls in pakistan as young as 13-14 being mums... i thought they were their siblings..

but neways, this aint a paki vs west debate... more so about sex education. We all know that kids start experimenting as soon as they hit puberty (if not before) but they do need to know the facts and issues..

do they not have compulsory sex education classes in yr 7? they do here

Re: 13 Yrs old Father

This is what i heard about this story!

Basically the girl (mother) knew that the guy (13) is not the father of the child but her parents told her to keep quiet so that the story gets enough publicity and they get enough money!

I doubt if its true, but if it is than i wont be surprised. How sad can parents get? More than 4 boys have claimed to be slept with this girl and her parents seem to be enjoying each & every twist in this story!

Re: 13 Yrs old Father

sickening to the bone... uugh. These people shouldnt have been allowed to be parents themselves..

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It realy is sad....how cheap can these people really get?

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:eek:

he is way ahead of us!

But if you think about it, boys never really grow up so what difference does it make if they are father at 13 or 30?

Re: 13 Yrs old Father

Whattttttttttttttttttt he is not even the father now?

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I don't know why young sex is such a big deal to you guys.

As Muslims we should be condeming these people for adultery, fornication and homosexuality but young sex in itself is not sinful or immoral in our culture.

The Prophet (S) consumated his marriage with his wife Ayesha (R) when she reached puberty at the age of 9. I know some apologetic modern scholars with an inferiority complex who use Western moral-standards as a touchstone for everything would state otherwise but these things are clearly stated in our books and accepted by our traditional scholars.

Puberty is the Age of Consent in Islam, not some silly number like 16, 18 or 21.

In our Pakistani culture too young marriages have been perfectly acceptable, my grandmother was 12-13 when she married my 18 yr old grandfather (she had her first child exactly 9 months later) and no she didn't feel herself abused, she loved him and still cries for him after his death, they stayed in a monogomous marriage all their lives, they didn't change partners like Westerners do more frequently than their underwear.

It's only paedophillia if you are attracted to pre-pubescents and babies in their diapers but if someone has reached puberty they want to have sex and should be allowed to.

I know so many young girls below 16 who had relationships with much older boys in their 20s back in Britain, so lower the age of consent in Britain to 13-14.

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Only today did i learn that DNA test showed he is not the father.

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^:eek:how cute.