The Holy Book says “You may marry two, three or four wives, but not more”–"but if you cannot deal equitably and justly with all, you shall marry only one.
Did you know that Ibn Saud-the protector of Mecca and Madina - married between one hundred and one hundred twenty wives?
He was a devout man and came around by marrying his wives seratim. He always took three wives with him and divorced one, so there was always room for one more!
AMalik, you keep on counting there won't be any reply to this.
The man in question is keeping with the religious teachings of Quran and is not marrying more than 4 women at a time and so is perfectly acceptable to muslims. So far only Prophet was allowed to bend that rule and no one else will be allowed. What is the idea of this unnecessary post?
Well maybe he is following the letter of the law, but not the spirit. What is happening to all the poor women that he is marrying and divorcing? The guy is obviously focusing on sex too much.
Zara
The golden question that arises out of this is : why only four marriages, why not five or ten or a hundred, if a man can afford to make all of them happy, why not. If someone can do justice to four wives at one go, he can be just to hundred also by the same principle. So why confine to one only.
And who is the authority to judge whether the man is equitable and just to all the wives that he is keeping. What is the counter check provided in Quran, except for the man himself. Would someone enlighten me on this.
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How about women marrying more than 1? I am sure they are perfectly capable of keeping all of them happy.
What Adbulmalik’s post proves is that some people try to justify their absurdity by looking at divinity as a legal shield. It is pathetic and it is boring.
NYA, good point!
dhir,
What do you mean "afford" to make them all happy? Do you think that money is the only question here? You are perhaps not thinking of the other issues. No matter how much money a man had, I would not marry him if he already had a wife, unless that was my only option.
I think that plural marriages were meant as a solution to overabundance of widows. This man is twisting the intent of the Quran, in my opinion.
Zara
Originally posted by zaraatif:
*dhir, What do you mean "afford" to make them all happy? Do you think that money is the only question here? You are perhaps not thinking of the other issues. No matter how much money a man had, I would not marry him if he already had a wife, unless that was my only option. *
What is the other issue? Do you think a man can equally love four wives? Or, will do justice to all of them, irrespective of how rich or poor he is? Or, they will feel secure with a man who already has a number of wives and is allowed to divorce her at the drop of hat just because he wants it?
*I think that plural marriages were meant as a solution to overabundance of widows. *
Then in that case, it should be clarified that a man can marry four times, but only if the woman in question is a widow and needs support (the question here is what support, sexual). For other kind of support a man need not marry her he could adopt her as a daughter, or treat her like a sister.
By your logic, countries with more men should allow plural marriages to women. There are other ways to support overabundance of widows, if support is the question. Or is it to quench their sexual desire only, which only a husband is allowed to fulfill, even if he has four wives.
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Going back to the point of afforadability, the "Al-Sauds" can afford that and still remain the custodian of holy land. This is a very common practice in the Gulf states the Amir of Kuwait Jabir Al-Ahmed marries every other thursday brings a women in his "Aqud" and then after three days with all the "HAQ" he owes her is paid and she is divorced.
Ny ahmedi... this system was created by men for men ...I wish women had more say in this.
dhir,
Yes, there are other issues besides money for most women, unless they are living at subsistence level and are afraid of starving.
Go look at the part in the Quran again where it mentions 4 wives. It says: If you fear an overabundance of widows and orphans, then marry two, three, even four wives. I believe you will find that this is the only place where the Quran discusses that men can marry four wives:
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YUSUFALI: If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three orfour; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
PICKTHAL: And if ye fear that ye will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess. Thus it is more likely that ye will not do injustice.
SHAKIR: And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.
KHALIFA: If you deem it best for the orphans, you may marry their mothers - you may marry two, three, or four. If you fear lest you become unfair, then you shall be content with only one, or with what you already have. Additionally, you are thus more likely to avoid financial hardship.
Tradition has however chosen to ignore the original intent of this verse.
Zara
We all know that Islam allows up to four marriages, right? With the condition that they are all treated the same.......financially........emotionally....etc.
That just isn't possible. It is not possible to love more than one poerson equally at anyone time. Sure, attraction is possible, but that's not the same.
It's not fair to the women concerned and I don't understand why in todays day in age women in the West still marry men who are already married. WHY????
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Originally posted by farhana:
*We all know that Islam allows up to four marriages, right?
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Farhana, please reread my post!
And I'm not sure what you mean about women in the west marrying men who are already married? Maybe they don't know they are married? I have never heard of this.
In every Society we have a role-models, someone to look up to and emulate and, they (role models) usually set precedents/examples for others to follow by their actions.
Let me ask you - What kind of a precedent is being set here?
If it is OK for the Ibn-Saud then, surely it has to be OK for me!
Ibn-Saud is toeing the 'fine line' or playing the number game of 4 wives at one time and, in the process abusing the powers bestowed on him by his position and institutions; denigrating the women and, abusing the resources of the kingdom which can be better spent for the upliftment of his people and fellow muslims who look up to him.
The guy is a jerk ... period
acha
he is abusing a right i question deeply
he is like a child playing with a khilona which in this case islamically speaking is his right to four marriages
and who to blame for this the one who made this khilona
I dont believe Allah can be that cruel
i doubt Quran was after all written by Males
I am repeating my post again because all the discussion so far has not touched upon the important questions:
(1)why only four marriages, why not five or ten or a hundred, if a man can afford to make all of them happy, why not. If someone can do justice to four wives at one go, he can be just to hundred also by the same principle. So why confine to one only.
(2) Who is the authority to judge whether the man is equitable and just to all the wives that he is keeping.
(3) What is the counter check provided in Quran, except for the man himself.
If as pointed out it is to help orphans, why not make it mandatory for the second marriage only to be with widows. Why allow divorce so easily to create more lonely women so that the switching over can be encouraged.
dhir
long long time back
a group of men were sitting around the fire bored
they had nothing to do so they decided to write a book
hence quran came into existance
cause it makes no sense at all
and can only be written by idiots so long ago
Allah cant be this cruel
Dhir
This provision in the Quran about "more than 1 wife thing" is obsolete.
It may have had some relevance in the early days of Islam when the muslims needed to procreate like rabbits so there would be more muslims than others. Ooops, I think they still do!
This practice should be banned - period! More than 1 wife should be allowed ONLY under special circumstance, like infertility, debilitating sickness, etc., subject to the approval of the 1st wife and community religious leaders or local moulvi.
The issues of Widows and orphans wouldn't be there if muslims, first & foremost, stopped fighting & killing each others - major cause of widows & orphans!
"The issues of Widows and orphans wouldn't be there if muslims, first & foremost, stopped fighting & killing each others - major cause of widows & orphans!"
Agreed. And this was the reason that the rule was instated, according to Quran.
Dhir,
Why do you think those are the important questions? Are you implying that the man is the check put in place by God? If that's the way people are interpreting it, then no wonder things are in such a mess. I will write more later, but now I have to go home.
Zara
This is a free forum to discuss on Religion, but no one should be allowed to insult Islam and be given authority to judge that who wrote Quran.
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dhir
long long time back
a group of men were sitting around the fire bored
they had nothing to do so they decided to write a book
hence quran came into existance
cause it makes no sense at all
and can only be written by idiots so long ago
Allah cant be this cruel
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I wonder not a sigle person took notice for above post. Why? Because there is no deen in our life, we are all just Muslims as born in a Muslim family.
May Allah help us and forgive us.
Well mansoor if you think that idiotic remarks can insult your faith then you need a lot of learning to do.
Mockery of others' beliefs to inflame them is a sickness, some people just don't know it.
But the ones who take the bait are ignorant.
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Originally posted by Adbulmalick:
**Dhir
This provision in the Quran about "more than 1 wife thing" is obsolete.
More than 1 wife should be allowed ONLY under special circumstance, like infertility, debilitating sickness, etc., subject to the approval of the 1st wife and community religious leaders or local moulvi.
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You are not thinking from your head
first point
Infertility ...do you know that men can be infertile too ?? i guess Allah knows that and wouldnt have created such a "circumstance" in the Quran
Sickness
great she serves you her entire life .. bears your children and if she gets sick the man should abandon her and have fun with another wife
are you saying Allah is that cruel ?
Subject to the approval of the first wife
men can get permission easily from their first wives ...threaten to divorce her or take her children away from her
are you pointing that Allah is ignorant ?
I would advice that not to make such statements which indirectly creates such a picture
Roman
i am not mocking anything or abusing anything
its your forum you are well aware of what "abuse" is
i am just questioning what i dont feel is right ???
is that a bad thing to do
should injustice be ignored
are you pointing that i should wear a black cloth on my eyes and live my life ???
so i am patched a bad human cause i went to the strip club
that is a big hooo haa
and destroying a woman's life just cause it says so in the quran which you dont know who wrote is nothing ??
or maybe i have gone mad