-- CJ for being an opportunist pig and taking political advantage of the situation at the cost of human lives.
-- Opposition parties for exploiting a sensitive situation to satisfy their anti-musharraf agenda
-- MQM for doing Musharraf's bidding and planning a rally on the same day as the opposition parties. Of all the things that anybody could have done to avoid this tragic loss of human lives, MQM's part was the easiest. Why did it have to stage a rally on the same day as others?
-- Musharraf for not handling this situation well, and slowly turning into a power hungry dictator I once thought he was not. He's showing a penchant for allying himself with the worst elements in Pakisatn to gain some temporary advantage. First MMA, and now the street thugs within MQM.
What makes me extremely sad about the situation is that every party involved knew this woudl turn violent and people would lose lives. Yet, no one changed their stance one bit, or moved their plans a little. The Chief-Asshat-Justice is still there, Musharraf is still in control, MQM leaders are still thriving, Opposition party leaders got their fifteen minutes. The only ones who suffered were the 30 ordinary families working for these selfish power whores.
When the 'Mullahs', the 'Patriots', the 'Nationalists' decry the Western analysts for predicting that Pakistan won't exist in its present form a few years from now, they should realize that these outsiders are not necessarily trying to make this happen, rather are only describing what would happen if the political elements in Pakistan were left to their own devices.
Seems like everybody won and Pakistan lost.
Well said, only if it was a different day and better times, if only....thanks dude
Eventually, some sane minds from the Pakistani Army will realize that Musharraf is leading Pakistan towards a complete chaos, and will take him out just like Zia. Otherwise, Pakistan is headed towards more trouble, internal break down of law and order and lack of external confidence in Pakistan as the destination for investment and business.
Abdullah k, give us a realistic solution. Your naivety at expecting better times by Musharrafs death tells me how little you know Pakistan or about Pakistan. Tell me, what are your alternatives to Musharraf and how will they be any better?
Abdullah k, give us a realistic solution. Your naivety at expecting better times by Musharrafs death tells me how little you know Pakistan or about Pakistan. Tell me, what are your alternatives to Musharraf and how will they be any better?
why are you getting so irked. it seems like you think that Pakistan is only surviving basis on one person. only entity that can bring stability to Pakistan at this time is the army without the leadership of Musharraf and his ... top brass of generals.
No, I am not irked by the fact that you are looking for somebody else to lead Pakistan, I am irked by your simplistic view that if musharraf id murdered, things will automatically fix themselves or improve from what they are now. Suggest a realistic solution, not an emotional koi maar dae issay Allah kare.
No, I am not irked by the fact that you are looking for somebody else to lead Pakistan, I am irked by your simplistic view that if musharraf id murdered, things will automatically fix themselves or improve from what they are now. Suggest a realistic solution, not an emotional koi maar dae issay Allah kare.
Again, you are getting irked, since it seems you can't look beyond the fact that Pakistan can survive without Musharraf. Why don't you get this out of your head first.
The solution is to put all thse terrorrists in jail and try them and let them rot in jail or put them to gallows. Fascist MQM and its supporters do not own Karachi, lawyers had all the right to do a gathering in Karachi.
They announced their oplans a lot ahead of MQM. And these rabid animals of MQM spill the blood of innocent people. Like they have always done. Like they did 3 years ago on the same day and like they did in 90s.
Abdullah, I told you why, yet you keep making assumptions on my behalf. No person, for Pakistan or any other country, is indispensible. Pakistan has survived 60 years of poor leadership, it can easily survive Musharraf, however, I do not see how a violent death for Musharraf be good for Pakistan or resolve all its problems. My take on such a scenario is more chaos and anarchy.
I maybe a less reasoning being, but when ARY talked to other citizens, prominent ones at that, like Anwar Maqsood, Talat Hussain (Actor) and Faisal Qureshi, they all said things to the effect that when the CJ knew how tantrum throwing MQM can be, and when peace, lives and property was at risk due to a clash, he should have reasoned well for the sake of the country, the city, the lost lives and delayed his arrival. I agree with them. The CJ could have decided better knowing how the MQM is...and knowing how other parties will play catalyst. Atleast someone should act responsibly, at least to save lives if nothing else...and in that regard the CJ was blamed by these three personalities as well...
The solution is to put all thse terrorrists in jail and try them and let them rot in jail or put them to gallows. Fascist MQM and its supporters do not own Karachi, lawyers had all the right to do a gathering in Karachi.
They announced their oplans a lot ahead of MQM. And these rabid animals of MQM spill the blood of innocent people. Like they have always done. Like they did 3 years ago on the same day and like they did in 90s.
Dr. Saab, if we were in a maths class yes 2+2 is 4, unfortunately it is not so simple. This is Pakistan we are talking about. Like it or not, MQM does politically own Karachi. I am not debating if it is a good party or bad, but this call for a rally in Karachi and how it was promoted was a challenge to MQM. Do not forget we are talking about Pakistan. I do not know anyone from KE so I make an assumption when I say that it probably was not as politically charged as other Pakistani universities, but knowing my university and others, you cant even enter other parties hostels if you are labelled to be one of the opposition during tense times. You are bringing forth rights of people and rights of parties which in my view is an outright naive view of the situation. Poliics are dirty, Pakistani politics are dirtier and bloodier than most.
Nonsense. Government has always used proxies in Pakistan. Remember when Altaf got too big for his britches and suddenly “MQM-Haqiqi” was created? When Shias started organizing in the 1980s suddenly Haq Nawaz Jhangvi became a big shot. This has always been the modus ope***** of our agencies.
Musharraf has shown that he is willing to destroy Pakistan’s economic future by recreating the MQM monster to prove his point against CJ Iftikhar. Laanat hai us pay.
Abdullah, I told you why, yet you keep making assumptions on my behalf. No person, for Pakistan or any other country, is indispensible. Pakistan has survived 60 years of poor leadership, it can easily survive Musharraf, however, I do not see how a violent death for Musharraf be good for Pakistan or resolve all its problems. My take on such a scenario is more chaos and anarchy.
This is the only thing which was clear from the bafflegab you posted earlier. At least this time you are more concise and hence deserves a due reply.
I just think the longer Musharraf survives and rules, the worse it's getting for Pakistan. There maybe numerous parallel reasons. But, the divisions between the Pakistanis have never been so deeply rooted as they are rightnow. Whether, it's based on religion or ethnicity.
To be honest, I am shocked at this latest adventure of Musharraf's regime. I can think of Pakistani Army crushing and repressing its own on the behest of foreign interests and pressure.
But to stage such a dispicable act of thuggery through the MQM terrorists is beyond any comprehension. It only shows that Pakistani Armed forces have reduced themselves to none better than the petty organized gangsters, that will stoop to any degrading level to harrass and stay in power.
Dr. Saab, if we were in a maths class yes 2+2 is 4, unfortunately it is not so simple. This is Pakistan we are talking about. Like it or not, MQM does politically own Karachi. I am not debating if it is a good party or bad, but this call for a rally in Karachi and how it was promoted was a challenge to MQM. Do not forget we are talking about Pakistan. I do not know anyone from KE so I make an assumption when I say that it probably was not as politically charged as other Pakistani universities, but knowing my university and others, you cant even enter other parties hostels if you are labelled to be one of the opposition during tense times. You are bringing forth rights of people and rights of parties which in my view is an outright naive view of the situation. Poliics are dirty, Pakistani politics are dirtier and bloodier than most.
And you suggest that politics shud be left dirty as it is?
If a party wins elections it does not have a right to commit crimes and murder people. And this party is THE only party in Pakistani politics that thrives on bhattas, murders and extortion. They have gifted Karachi with bori-band dead bodies and torture cells.
When will you say that its enough? Instead of blaming the victims, you shud speak for the weak.
And what more it has done is to strenghthen the ethnic divide among Pakistani people and promote mob politics. Already in Quetta an office of MQM has been burned down.
Jaan bazz, proof of what? Do you seriously believe that when such violence breaks out the murderers from either side are humane people? These are not the ordinary gali mohallay ke laRkay that get involved in these fights and shoot to kill. I have, with my own eyes seen an IJT student shooting and then kicking a person when he was on the ground, bleeding and dying. It was only after counter firing when the jamatis left and a palestenian and I pulled him inside one of the hostel rooms.
These are hardened criminals, murderers with no heart and every party has them.
i agree with this. musharaf must go. tony blair knew his time was up and even he was late but stil he is going with dignity. musharaf has targeted balochies, pashtuns, and antiestbalishment punjabis. musharafs policies are bad for pakistan. he is dividing the country like no one before.
musharaf is no moderate but a power-hungry fool whose end will be a pathetic tale. we had high hopes of musharaf but he has sunk so low. the fight against him is starting. i hope the end result wil not be the break up of pakistan.
This is the only thing which was clear from the bafflegab you posted earlier. At least this time you are more concise.
I just think the longer Musharraf survives and rules, the worse it's getting for Pakistan. There maybe numerous parallel reasons. But, the divisions between the Pakistanis have never been so deeply rooted as they are rightnow. Whether, it's based on religion or ethnicity.
To be honest, I am shocked at this latest adventure of Musharraf's regime. I can think of Pakistani Army crushing and repressing its own on the behest of foreign interests and pressure.
But to stage such a dispicable act of thuggery through the MQM terrorists is beyond any comprehension. It only shows that Pakistani Armed forces have reduced themselves to no better than the petty organized gangsters, that will stoop to any degrading level to harrass and stay in power.
Proof that the government was ordered to let the MQM thugs do as they please. Do you think anyone would have been allowed to disrupt Musharraf's fake jalsa in Isloo?
