Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
This is what happened, political rival clash;
Rest is the blame game.
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
votes? never in our history there have been a fair election, what makes any of you think that people of karachi decide who runs the city.
Well if that's the case then we might as well stay under millitary rule forever?????
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
Well if that's the case then we might as well stay under millitary rule forever?????
Absolutly not. I hate the military rule, no matter how better the economy is. I was responding to posters who believe that people of karachi are running the city and we vote these people to power who in return give us black out, corruption, strikes and violence.
pakistan is run on loyalties. people know that nobody is a saint. i ask, if you call MQM terrorist, who do you support? you can't call their name with pride because they have blood on their hands too. no one thinks of country, just their post and ego.
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
Long which parties flags these thugs burning vehicles are carrying.
Supporters of Pakistani opposition party walk after setting on fire a vehicle during a gunbattle between two rival groups in Karachi, Pakistan on Saturday, May 12, 2007.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/081401pakistan/im:/070512/481/kar11005121013;_ylt=ApMW6pM.XEKDB55i7AAJsc.aK8MA
A supporter of Pakistani opposition party runs after setting on fire a vehicle during a gun battle between two rival groups in Karachi.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/081401pakistan/im:/070512/481/kar10805120947;_ylt=Ap.lClc_TllwNXjBIHujAtGaK8MA
Supporters of Pakistani opposition party smash a car after setting on fire a vehicle during a gun battle between two rival groups in Karachi
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/081401pakistan/im:/070512/481/kar10605120945;_ylt=AuidrOhu81G_Nl9ncC8CJZHlWMcF
Supporters of Pakistani opposition party run after setting on fire a vehicle during a gun battle between two rival groups in Karachi,
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/081401pakistan/im:/070512/481/kar10505120944;_ylt=ArMgXHqkU2HB91c3FeLBUKHlWMcF
Re: MQM not a terrorist party - PML (Nawaz) leader Ch.Nisar Ali Khan
isn't the time come to move this thread to GS jokes !!!!!!
PML** (Nawaz)** leader Ch. Nisar Ali Khan is a joker?
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
:k: Absolutely!
That is what a lot of people are saying today - even those who previously were supporting him and blasting the government. Now after 30 plus people dead in Karachi, the CJ has flown back to Islamabad. So what did he achieve by his stubborness and attempted political muscle flexing? He shares equal blame (if not more), with all other protaganists for the bloodshed we have seen in Karachi today.
Re: MQM not a terrorist party - PML (Nawaz) leader Ch.Nisar Ali Khan
lol @ MQM not a bunch of terrorists. They where looking forward today. Why doesnt that fat idiot in London get first flight to PK to face the music?
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
http://www.dawn.com/2007/05/12/top1.htm
I find it shocking that the government knows what will happen but are not taking any measures. Its like the government has no problem with Pakistanis dying.
Whats worse, is that you have pitched gun fights and the police are no where to be seen. How bloody long does it get to a fire fight in Karachi? Was everybody on vacation or getting back from Dubai?
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
It was much more easier for MQM to do its rally on another day.
The rally of CJ was announced earlier than MQM rally.
And most importantly how can you blame this on rally of opposition coz CJ's rally never begun!
He was cornered in airport while lawyers were never allowed to come out of SHC.
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
As you can see, the so called peaceful ANP is also armed, along with Punjabi Pukhtun Ittehad and other terrorist groups.
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
Haris..where did you hear this from? do you also believe the mourning of Altaf hussain about his 3 pathan workers who got killed? Where would MQM get pathan workers from??
MQM has a Pakhtoon Punjabi Organizing Committee. This is not new. Unlike the purely ethnic parties of ANP and PPI who are fighting for Punjabistan and Pukhtunistan, MQM has been trying to expand beyond ethnic lines for a long time now.
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
As you can see, the so called peaceful ANP is also armed, along with Punjabi Pukhtun Ittehad and other terrorist groups.
And yet they got 25 of their people killed. Hmmm you mean MQM has been better trained by RAW.
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
Shame on the government for being unable to control the violence, or was it because they were involved in it? Lanat on Mush.
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
And yet they got 25 of their people killed. Hmmm you mean MQM has been better trained by RAW.
And at least 6 MQM workers have been killed, you can only go by number of dead as your proof that one side was fighting?
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
There was no reason to expect violence in CJP’s rally. It was a popular expression of anger against a dictatorship. But Musharraf kept warning of violence, probably because he had arranged for it through his MQM goons.
This is what happens when someone is so keen on keeping his power that he would do anything. Karachi is 60% of our economy and Musharraf’s political greed has caused long-term damage to our investment and business image, not to mention the loss of innocents. 
Re: MQM not a terrorist party - PML (Nawaz) leader Ch.Nisar Ali Khan
This myth has been dealt another blow today...not that it was not already confirmed before...MQM is the biggest terrorist/crime syndicate in all of South Asia...
Re: MQM not a terrorist party - PML (Nawaz) leader Ch.Nisar Ali Khan
lol @ MQM not a bunch of terrorists. They where looking forward today. Why doesnt that fat idiot in London get first flight to PK to face the music?
Ch. Nisar Ali Khan of the PML (Nawaz) said not a single case of terrorism had been proven against the MQM. So there are two fat idiots who need to come back from London and face the people for the crimes - Altaf Hussain and Nawaz Sharif.
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
Politics and more politics... Interesting how people are so passionate (in the typical Pakistani way)...
POLITICAL PARTIES IN PAKISTAN ARE PIGS...no need to take sides
By the way, Pakistan as a country wont exist in 5-10 yrs so don't waste too much energy on this! Pakistan has too many enemies from outside and within.
The 33 people that died.... their death was in Vain... my sympathies to the families.
Pathetic Pakistan... Thanks for reminding me why I dont live there!
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
They are all to blame.
-- CJ for being an opportunist pig and taking political advantage of the situation at the cost of human lives.
-- Opposition parties for exploiting a sensitive situation to satisfy their anti-musharraf agenda
-- MQM for doing Musharraf's bidding and planning a rally on the same day as the opposition parties. Of all the things that anybody could have done to avoid this tragic loss of human lives, MQM's part was the easiest. Why did it have to stage a rally on the same day as others?
-- Musharraf for not handling this situation well, and slowly turning into a power hungry dictator I once thought he was not. He's showing a penchant for allying himself with the worst elements in Pakisatn to gain some temporary advantage. First MMA, and now the street thugs within MQM.
What makes me extremely sad about the situation is that every party involved knew this woudl turn violent and people would lose lives. Yet, no one changed their stance one bit, or moved their plans a little. The Chief-Asshat-Justice is still there, Musharraf is still in control, MQM leaders are still thriving, Opposition party leaders got their fifteen minutes. The only ones who suffered were the 30 ordinary families working for these selfish power whores.
When the 'Mullahs', the 'Patriots', the 'Nationalists' decry the Western analysts for predicting that Pakistan won't exist in its present form a few years from now, they should realize that these outsiders are not necessarily trying to make this happen, rather are only describing what would happen if the political elements in Pakistan were left to their own devices.
Seems like everybody won and Pakistan lost.
Re: 12 May - KARACHI Rallies (merged)
I am amused at the simplistic view all anti government posters are taking and blaming MQM and Musharraf for what is happening in Karachi today.I am not an MQM suppoerter, or even a karacihiite, infact people who know me will probably call me anti MQM. In my view this party has isolated the mohajir community more than anybody else.
However, the blame for today's violence goes to opposition parties and Chaudhary Iftekhar. The politically motivated CJ rallies by the opposition in the rest of the country failed miserably. Not more than a few hundred people attended most earlier rallies and there were probably a few thousand in some later ones, again most were bystanders and the ones who were rallying with conviction were still in a few hundreds. Even with all the hoopla and sensationalism created by the media, who were hungry to fill air time with breaking news items, rather than being interested in presenting an unbiased view of the situation, the whole issue was dying down. Court proceeding were on course and the government was not issuing any flaming anti CJ propaganda, or at least I didnt see it.
Karachi never got involved, there was no indigeneous support for the CJ in karachi, the rallies in CJs support in karachi failed to make a news item. Everyone knows how volatile karachi can be, this city has more guns than all of punjab, sarhad, balochistan and afghanistan combined. The opposition fully knew what will happen if and when they move this protest to karachi. Believe it or not, like it or not, Karachi is a MQM strong hold. Yes opposition has some support here and there but they cannot stand to the might of MQM in karachi, in some ways it is similar to the tribal areas of Pakistan where the govt forces, with all their might could not tame the Talibans or the tribals.When opposition planned the rally in karachi, it was like a challange for MQM. Everyone knew that.
Oppositions, infact all political parties in Pakistan, have always used dead podies for their political gains. This is exactly what they wanted from this rally today as well. You cannot go into a lion's den and expect them to observe you. With the charged up politics of karachi, anybody expecting MQM to sit quietly and let opposition dictate what will happen in karachi.
Chaudhry has a case against him in court, he should be thankful for the freedom of movement the government has allowed him and stay put, not become the tool in oppositions hands. People this is Pakistan, if musharraf wanted he can have chaudhry put in jail and nothing will happen. A martial law or emergency can be imposed easily and nobody can do anything about it. With the support MQM has in karachi, is it any wonder that most killed are from the opposition?
Where was the police, somebody asked. When two groups are firing at each other, no police ever moves in or can move in. Case in point LA riots. Pakistani police is not equipped, and even if they were they wouldnt. More people would have died and then the anti musharraffs would have said, look how brutal the police was. Na jaye raftan, na paye mandan.
Please do not say that the opposition has the right to hold rally in karachi as that is a stupid simplistic view. All of the non pashtuns here have a right to go to North waziristan in jeans but no body will dare to.