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Without denying that they do have these degrees, which one of the degrees they so earn makes them an expert on Parliamentary affairs, Utility Managers and Real Estate Giants? I tell you which one......the gun that they carry.
Little have I noticed of people here who could rethink that their ideals could be erring mortals EVEN WHEN they fail them so miserably as in the present scenario created by the so called Aristotle cum Plato matching Musharraf like self seeking dictators!
Such debates on GS, off and on, have never been of any learning!!!

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^^

HZ- u are right that Military officers, esp Air Force officers are well educated, but the post Capricron has made is very pertinent, and should be remembered.

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I feel sorry for all that died whether Muhajir or Pashtun. But guys this points to only fact that creation of Pakistan has exacerbated problems and generated a multitude of more very grave problems rather than solving any.

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oh yes maybe they should follow the model of development and tolerance that afghanistan is.

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chup kar key bhet, ajata hai humesha to prove ur point about breaking pakistan... you seperatists should be lined up with altaf and his thugs and shot and we can send ur remains to af-ghas-sistan...

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one of my friends dad from school is a general, just got promoted, and he has a masters degree from a reputed college in ohio... hes from the EME corps and I know him personally, brilliant guy (1234 times the brainspan of mr real deal)

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Oh thanks God..we have seperated from these hindus..otherwise we have to face the burning bodies and ballat kars asdone by the *Butcher of Gujrat...Neerander Moodi *

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thanks ... thats the confirmation that when one doesn't have a solid arguement then they behave like this... thanks once again..:)

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In another post on this topic, i said that the previous were not good either... but right now we have got the ultimate corrupt people... you can't find more corrupt people than these in a cabinet all together... Do u like to hear Wasi Zafar.? or do u like Muhammad Ali ghalat bayani.? i mean in the previous cabinets there were atleast few figures worth respecting among all the masses... none in this one..

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مسعود عالم
بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، اسلام آباد

ہفتے کو اسلام آباد میں جنرل مشرف کی حمایت میں نکالی جانے والی ریلی میں شامل گروہ ڈھول کی تھاپ پر بھنگڑہ ڈال رہے تھےکراچی میں سنیچر کے دن جو خونریزی اور ہنگامہ آرائی ہوئی، پاکستان کے اس سب سے بڑے شہر میں رہنے والوں نے وہ سب کچھ ٹی وی کی سکرین پر دیکھا، اور پھر شام ڈھلے جب لاشوں اور زخمیوں کو اٹھانے کا کام ابھی جاری تھا تو ٹی وی کیمروں کا رخ اسلام آباد کی جانب ہو گیا، جہاں صدر جنرل پرویز مشرف کی حمایت میں نکالی جانے والی ریلی میں شامل گروہ ڈھول کی تھاپ پر بھنگڑہ ڈال رہے تھے۔
اسی ریلی میں جنرل مشرف نے بلٹ پروف پوڈیم کے پیچھے کھڑے ہو کر سندھ میں اپنی حلیف جماعت متحدہ قومی موومنٹ کے بقول ’کامیابی‘ پر اسے خراج تحسین پیش کیا۔

یہ سب دیکھ کر کراچی کے رہنے والے یہ سوچنے پر مجبور ہوگئے کہ کیا وہ اب تک پاکستان ہی کا حصہ ہیں؟ وہ کہتے ہیں کہ اگر خون خرابہ کرنے والے دہشتگرد ہیں تو حکومت انہیں روکنے یا پکڑنے کی بجائے اپنی پیٹھ کیوں تھپک رہی ہے؟ اور جس ایم کیو ایم کو کراچی میں ہنگامہ آرائی کے لیے قصور وار ٹھہرایا جا رہا تھا اسی جماعت کو اسلام آباد کے سرکاری پنڈال میں شاباش کیوں دی جا رہی تھی؟
پاکستانی میڈیا پر ایک جانب تو حکومت کا دباؤ رہتا ہے اور دوسری جانب شدت پسند سیاسی، مذہبی اور لسانی تنظیموں کی جانب سے دھمکیاں اور مسلح حملے۔ ایسے میں کھل کر کسی ایک فریق کا نام لینا مقامی میڈیا کے لیے تو شاید ممکن نہیں لیکن کراچی میں میں نے چشم دیدگواہوں اور مقامی صحافیوں سے جو کچھ سنا، اور اپنی آنکھوں سے جو کچھ دیکھا، اس سے یہی معلوم ہوتا ہے کہ متحدہ قومی موومنٹ نے نہ صرف چیف جسٹس کی کراچی آمد کو بہانہ بنا کر اپنی عسکری طاقت کا مظاہرہ کیا، بلکہ اس کی باقاعدہ منصوبہ بندی کی گئی تھی۔

شہری اور صوبائی حکومتیں تو ایم کیو ایم کی اپنی تھیں ہی، شواہد یہ ہیں کہ مرکزی حکومت نے بھی یا تو ایم کیو ایم کو کھلی چھوٹ دیے رکھی اور یا وہ خود اس منصوبہ بندی کا حصہ تھی جس کے تحت ویک اینڈ پر کراچی میں اکتالیس ہلاکتیں ہوئیں، سینکڑوں زخمی ہوئے اور درجنوں گاڑیوں اور موٹر سائکلوں کو جلا دیا گیا۔
پہلے کچھ ذکر ایم کیو ایم کی کارروائی کا۔
شاہراہ فیصل کو، جو شہر کی مرکزی گذرگاہ ہے، جمعے کی شام سے ہی بلاک کرنے کا کام شروع ہو گیا تھا۔ چشم دید گواہوں کے مطابق کہیں پولیس نے اور کہیں ایم کیو ایم کے مسلح کارکنوں نے بسوں، ٹرکوں اور ٹرالرز کو چھین کر انہیں ناکارہ بنایا اور پھر انہیں رکاوٹوں کے طور پر استعمال کیا۔
شاہراہ فیصل سے بیسیوں نہیں شاید سینکڑوں راستے نکلتے ہیں۔ ان سب کو بند کرنا، اور اس طرح کہ ایک گواہ کے مطابق وہاں سے موٹر سائکل سوار بھی نہ گذر سکے، اچھا خاصا بڑا کام ہے۔ یہ کوئی ایسی کارروائی نہیں جو چھپ چھپا کر ہو سکے اور قانون نافذ کرنے والوں کو پتا بھی نہ چلے۔
یہ کارروائی رات دو بجے تک مکمل ہو چکی تھی، اور شاہراہ فیصل ہر قسم کی ٹریفک کے لیے بند ہو چکی تھی۔ کراچی ائرپورٹ پر میں ایسے مسافروں سے بھی ملا جو سنیچر کی رات گیارہ بجے کے قریب وہاں پہنچے لیکن ہوائی اڈے کی عمارت سے باہر نہ جا سکے۔
پھر سندھ کے وکیلوں کو چیف جسٹس کے استقبال کے لیے ائرپورٹ، اور ان کا خطاب سننے کے لیے ہائی کورٹ پہنچنے سے روکنے کے لیے بھی تمام انتظامات پہلے سے کیے گئے تھے۔

ہائی کورٹ اور سٹی کورٹس کی عمارات پر پولیس کا پہرہ اور ان کے ارد گرد ایم کیو ایم کی ٹولیوں کی موجودگی سے یہ یقینی بنایا گیا کہ وکلاء ان عمارات میں نہ پہنچ سکیں اور جو پہنچ جائیں وہ باہر نہ آ سکیں۔
ملیر بار ایسوسی ایشن کے ارکان، جو چیف جسٹس اور ان کے ساتھیوں کے میزبان ہونے کے ناطے انہیں ائرپورٹ سے جلوس کی صورت میں لے جانا چاہتے تھے، ملیر کی حدود سے باہر بھی نہ آ پائے۔ میں چیف جسٹس کے ساتھ اسلام آباد ائرپورٹ پر موجود تھا، اور کراچی کی پرواز میں ابھی پندرہ بیس منٹ باقی تھے جب ان کے ایک وکیل کو فون پر ملیر بار کے ایک رکن نے بتایا کہ ایم کیو ایم کے لوگ ان سے مار پیٹ کر رہے ہیں اور ائرپورٹ کا رخ کرنے کی صورت میں اس سے بھی برے نتائج کی دھمکی دے رہے ہیں۔
وکلاء تو خیر ان سے کیا لڑتے لیکن اپوزیشن سیاسی جماعتوں اور کچھ مذہبی اور لسانی گروہوں کی ریلیوں میں بھی مسلح افراد موجود تھے۔ ان سے نمٹنے کے لیے ایم کیو ایم نے الگ حکمت عملی بنا رکھی تھی۔ سینئر صحافی ایاز امیر کے مطابق، جو سنیچر کو متاثرہ مقامات کا دورہ کرتے رہے، ایم کیو ایم نے مخالفین کی ریلیوں پر گھات لگا کر حملے کیے۔
ایم کیو ایم کے پاس اسلحہ بارود کس کثرت سے تھا اور ان کے لڑنے کا انداز کس قدر پیشہ ورانہ تھا اس پر ’آج’ ٹی وی کے ایک صحافی نے جنہوں نے بہت قریب سے اپنے دفتر پر ہونے والا حملہ بھی دیکھا تھا، تبصرہ کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ وہ فوجیوں کی سی پھرتی سے پوزیشنیں سنبھالتے اور بدلتے رہے اور ان کے لیے بارود کی سپلائی بغیر وقفے کے چلتی رہی، جس کی بنا پر وہ چھ گھنٹے سے زیادہ گولی باری کرتے رہے۔

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ایم کیو ایم کا کہنا ہے کہ چیف جسٹس کی کراچی آمد ایک سازش کا حصہ تھی جس کا جواب دینے کے لیے اسے یہ سب تیاری کرنا پڑی جس میں شاہراہ فیصل کو بند کرنا بھی شامل تھا۔ تاہم جماعت کے ایک ترجمان کا کہنا ہے کہ تشدد کی ابتدا ان کے مخالفین کی جانب سے ہوئی۔
اب یہ بات کہ سرکاری سرپرستی اگر تھی تو کس قدر۔
کراچی میں قریباً پچیس ہزار کے قریب پولیس اہلکار ہیں جو صوبائی حکومت کے زیر نگرانی ہیں، اور ان کے علاوہ دس ہزار سے زیادہ رینجر بھی شہر میں موجود تھے، جو وفاقی حکومت کے ملازم ہیں اور گورنر کے حکم پر کام کرتے ہیں۔ ایم کیو ایم کے پاس شہری اور صوبائی حکومت کے بیشتر اختیارات تو ہیں ہی، گورنر بھی اسی جماعت کے ایک رہنما ہیں۔
ان حالات میں قانون نافذ کرنے والے اداروں کی حساس مقامات سے غیر حاضری یا جیسے ٹی وی پر دیکھا گیا کہ بلوائی کھلے عام گھوم رہے ہیں اور اہلکار ان کے قریب ہی منہ پھیرے کھڑے ہیں۔ اس صورتحال میں یہ کہنا بالکل بجا ہو گا کہ سکیورٹی اہلکار اس روز غیر جانبدار نہیں تھے۔
پھر چیف جسٹس کی کراچی آمد کے دن ہی ایم کیو ایم کا ریلی نکالنے پر اصرار بھی معنی خیز تھا۔ صوبے کے چیف سیکرٹری نے کم از کم ایک ہفتہ پہلے بتایا تھا کہ ان کے پاس خفیہ معلومات ہیں جن سے یہ معلوم ہوتا ہے کہ چیف جسٹس کی آمد پر ہنگامے ہو سکتے ہیں۔ لیکن ان معلومات کو صرف چیف جسٹس کا دورہ مؤخر کرنے کی کوشش میں استعمال کیا گیا، عوام کی سکیورٹی کے لیے کچھ بھی نہیں کیا گیا۔ اور ایک طرح سے ایم کیو ایم کو کھلی چھوٹ دی گئی۔

اس پر وزیر اطلاعات کا یہ کہنا کہ سنیچر کو پیش آنے والے واقعات کا پہلے سے اندازہ نہیں لگایا جا سکتا تھا، کسی کی بھی سمجھ سے بالا تر ہے۔
اور پھر سب سے اہم بات تو خود صدر جنرل پرویز مشرف نے کہی، جنہوں نے اسلام آباد کی ریلی سے خطاب کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ کراچی کے عوام نے اپنی طاقت دکھا دی ہے۔ اور یہ کہ اس سے یہ ثابت ہو گیا ہے کہ پورے ملک کے عوام ان کے ساتھ ہیں۔
ان ساری باتوں سے کم از کم کراچی کی حد تک یہی تاثر بنا کہ ایم کیو ایم، جنرل مشرف اور مسلم لیگ کی حکومت ایک فریق ہیں، اور پاکستان کی تمام چھوٹی بڑی جماعتیں دوسرا فریق ہیں۔ اور یہ کہ کراچی کے عوام دو ہاتھیوں کی اس لڑائی میں صرف کچلے جانے کے لیے ہیں۔

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Pakistan's bitterly divided metropolis

By M Ilyas Khan
BBC News, Karachi

Scores of people idle about in the main avenue of Orangi Town Number-one, a sprawling north western neighbourhood of Pakistan's southern port city, Karachi.
Among them are some motorcyclists who are in two minds about whether to ride through a hostile area to reach other parts of the city.
The area in question is inhabited by Urdu speaking people - called Muhajirs or refugees - whose families migrated from India at the time of independence in 1947.
Like most Muhajirs in Karachi, these people are the supporters of the city's largest party, the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM).
Retaliatory strikes
Like the motorcyclists, they too are fearful of travelling.

I am not necessarily an enemy of the Pashtuns, all I want is food and water for my children
To do so, MQM supporters must pass through areas controlled by ethnic Pashtun people, who fought pitched battles with MQM activists for several hours on Sunday.
"We are under siege, there is no food in the house, and no provisions have passed into the area since Saturday," says Riaz Ahmad, a resident of the area.
On Saturday MQM activists closed down much of the city to prevent people from joining opposition rallies that were intended to welcome the country's suspended Chief Justice, Iftikhar Chaudhry, to Karachi's main airport. **
*But Saturday's clashes in the city left a large number of Pashtun political activists dead, and sparked retaliatory strikes on Sunday in which Pashtuns targeted MQM offices, activists and sympathisers. *
The trouble has confined people to their homes and brought business activities to a halt. Many families in low-income localities report they have run out of provisions.
"I voted for the MQM, but I am not necessarily an enemy of the Pashtuns, all I want is food and water for my children," Mr Ahmad says.
But the mood among the Pashtuns is one of anger and revenge.
**'Deaths avenged'
"*Look at this picture, these are five dead bodies of unarmed Pashtuns who went to receive the chief justice," says Mohammad Wasim, a resident of Sohrab Goth area, pointing to an Urdu language newspaper in his hand. *

Sohrab Goth is dominated by the Pashtun population, and is located on the main highway that connects Karachi with the rest of the country.
The residents have often resorted to choking this artery whenever ethnic riots broke out in the city in the past.
"We will still do it, until the deaths have been avenged," he says.
Pashtuns, who are the second largest ethnic group after Muhajirs, feel they have been slighted by the MQM.
"We provide the workforce for this city, we built this city, we have lived here all our lives, now where is our right to hold a procession or receive a guest who is our hero?" says Gulab Khan, a resident of Landhi, another Pashtun-dominated area of the city.

His cousin is one of 34 people who were killed on Saturday. "He was in a procession when the Muhajirs opened fire from a flyover. He received a bullet in the chest."
For local commentators who have witnessed ethnic killings in the city during 1986-96, these sentiments sound ominous.
The atmosphere is further marred by the deserted roads of the city that still carry scars of Saturday's mayhem.
In several areas, streets are strewn with rocks and bushes, and smoke is still rising from shops burnt on Sunday.
Markets in the entire city have remained closed on Monday in response to a nationwide call for a strike by the opposition parties who are protesting against Saturday's killings.
'Sense of security'
Fearing more violence, the Sindh provincial government called for a public holiday on Monday, and imposed restrictions on political gatherings.
The MQM, which is a coalition partner in the government, also took damage-control measures by announcing an indefinite closure of their party offices in the city.
On Monday morning, some 16,000 paramilitary troops rolled out of their barracks to take over security duties in the city, with powers to shoot or arrest miscreants.

But tension continues to run high in several parts of the city.

What can 16,000 troops do in a city of 15 million? How frequently can patrols pass our street to give us a sense of security?" asks Zeeshan Ali, a resident of Orangi Town.

He can find no public transport to take him to the hospital where his mother has been admitted for a kidney operation, and his motorbike ran out of fuel at a time when all filling stations in the city have been closed since Saturday. The only part of the population that seems to have made the best of the strike are youths who played cricket on deserted roads all day Monday. The fear is that they will grow up in a divided city.

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Violence as Musharraf’s power fades

By Isambard Wilkinson in Karachi

Last Updated: 1:45am BST 15/05/2007

Pakistan’s president, Gen Pervez Musharraf, was facing a political crisis last night after violence claimed the lives of at least 40 people when pro-government militants opened fire on an opposition rally at the weekend.

Running gun-battles erupted on the streets of Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city, on Saturday when armed activists from the city’s ruling party, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), a coalition ally of Gen Musharraf, blocked an anti-government rally.

Pro-government and opposition groups blamed each other yesterday for the worst political violence in Pakistan for years as at least three more people were killed and riots and looting spread.

Troop reinforcements were despatched to Karachi and the provincial governor ordered paramilitary forces to shoot any “miscreants” on sight.

It was the bloodiest episode in a two-month-long challenge by lawyers and opposition parties to an attempt by the military ruler to sack Pakistan’s chief justice.

The MQM, on the orders of its leader Altaf Hussain, staged a “counter rally” to coincide with a visit to Karachi by the suspended chief justice, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, who has defied the president’s demands for his resignation.

As several opposition rallies got under way, armed activists from the MQM opened fire on protesters.

Dead bodies were left where they fell for hours in Karachi’s humid streets.
In the city’s Jinnah Hospital yesterday, Adil Bashir, 23, was recovering from three bullet wounds after narrowly escaping a street execution.
He said he had not taken part in the rally but was rounded up by armed, teenage MQM activists along with four others. He alleged that he and others were lined up against a wall before being sprayed with automatic gunfire. He and one other survived.

Farhatullah Babar, a spokesman for the opposition Pakistan Peoples’ Party, said: “We condemn this mayhem and we believe that the MQM could not have done it without the active support of General Pervez Musharraf.”

The New York-based group Human Rights Watch accused the Pakistan government of “fomenting the violence”.

The actions of the MQM may have been not so much a sign of support for the eight-year rule Gen Musharraf, but a demonstration of its own power in what could be the first round of a new turf war in Karachi.

Gen Musharraf’s options are becoming more and more limited as he struggles to have himself re-elected and to continue as army chief.

His bargaining position for striking a possible power-sharing deal with the PPP leader, Benazir Bhutto, appears to be growing weaker.

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Pakistan on brink of disaster as Karachi burns

By Isambard Wilkinson and Massoud Ansari in Karachi, Sunday Telegraph

Last Updated: 11:37pm BST 12/05/2007

Chaos gripped the streets of Karachi yesterday as gun battles left at least 31 people dead and hundreds more injured, threatening a complete breakdown of law and order in Pakistan’s largest and most volatile city.

With plumes of black smoke billowing over the city of 12 million people, there were extraordinary scenes as gunmen on motorbikes pumped bullets into crowds demonstrating against Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf, while police stood by and watched.

In images more reminiscent of Baghdad, bloodstained corpses lay where they had fallen in the streets and bodies piled up in hospital morgues. As the sense of crisis deepened, a crisis meeting between Gen Musharraf and the prime minister, Shaukat Aziz, resolved to send in paramilitary troops to restore order, and to place the army on standby. The men agreed that a state of emergency would be imposed if the first two options failed.

It was the bloodiest escalation of the two-month long saga which began when the president attempted to sack the country’s chief justice in March. The ensuing challenge by lawyers and opposition parties to Gen Musharraf’s eight-year rule has left the president - a key Western ally in the “war on terror” - desperately clinging to power.

Opponents believe he had hoped to create a compliant judiciary ahead of elections which he has promised to hold later this year. But what started as a political confrontation has now lit Karachi’s tinderbox of ethnic rivalry.
Yesterday’s violence erupted as Iftikhar Chaudhry, the suspended chief justice, flew in to Karachi Jinah International Airport to address a rally.

Many of the 15,000 police and security forces deployed in the city stood idly by as armed activists from Karachi’s ruling party, Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), a coalition ally of Gen Musharraf, blocked Mr Chaudhry’s exit from the airport and took control of the city’s central district.

The movement’s leader, Altaf Hussain - who lives in self-imposed exile in London - co-ordinated opposition to Mr Chaudhry’s arrival and addressed crowds gathered on the streets of Karachi in a mobile phone call relayed by loudspeakers.

He called on supporters to be peaceful but to show whose city it was. Instead, violence reigned.

Gunmen tore off on motorbikes after brazenly firing AK-47 rifles at opposition supporters. One report described MQM gunmen exchanging gunfire for an hour with activists from the exiled former premier Benazir Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s Party.

Road blocks, including trucks with deflated tires, prevented most of Mr Chaudhry’s supporters from reaching the airport to greet him. But a few dozen lawyers who reached there on foot chanted, “We are with you. Down with Musharraf.” Dozens of vehicles and petrol pumps were set alight by the angry mobs.

Inside Mr Chaudhry’s intended destination, Sind’s high court, hundreds of lawyers, some of them bloodied after being beaten up by MQM supporters, milled about chanting slogans and receiving news on their mobile phones about the trouble engulfing them. Outside, MQM activists with pistols tucked into their jeans, blocked the entrance.

Lawyers railed against the government. “This is a shocking attempt by the government to suppress the people,” Iqbal Haider, a human rights lawyer and former senator, told The Sunday Telegraph. “Musharraf is making all sorts of mistakes to save himself from sinking.”

As fans stirred the humid air, news poured in of unrest spreading to other parts of the country. Convoys of buses, cars and rickshaws festooned with flags of political parties careered through Karachi’s main thoroughfares.
Tension has been simmering in Karachi for the past week, with rumours swirling round that Mr Musharraf had allowed conflicting rallies to go ahead to create the requisite level of disorder to justify the declaration of an emergency. The prelude to violence was familiar to Karachi, where hundreds of people were killed in ethnic violence in the 1990s.

Exacerbating the political furore in Karachi over the sacking of Mr Chaudhry is a decades-old and simmering feud between the MQM, a movement supported by the city’s mohajir population who migrated from India at Partition in 1947, and ethnic Pathans, who were originally from Pakistan’s North West Frontier province.

Opponents of the MQM claim that its actions yesterday were ordered in micro-detail by the movement’s autocratic leader, via telephone, from Edgware in north London.

Altaf Hussain wields great influence from afar over Karachi, a city of 15 million. Amid the chaos and bloodshed, the MQM chief addressed tens of thousands of his followers gathered along one of Karachi’s main streets.

As his speech echoed over its audience, in other parts of the city gunmen from both heavily armed factions took up positions on rooftops and sprayed streets with automatic gunfire. Dozens of wounded were treated in hospitals.
Last night paramilitary troops were preparing to be deployed in the city as the possibility of a curfew being imposed grew.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/13/wpak13.xml

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[quote="Haris Zuberi, post:86, topic:161374"]

Musharraf is not the only General Pakistan Army has produced and he is most certainly not the only General who has written a book and definitely not the only General whose book I had the good fortune of reading.

As for the degrees officers earn.
They are awarded Bsc/BA at the Academy. Many even join after Bsc/BA or even Msc/MA. That is at the initial training at the academy.

After the academy they serve about 30 yrs before reaching a General rank and having gone through numerous courses of professional and academic nature. Without which they simply do not reach higher command ranks. That is how the promotion system is designed.
So to find out more about their degrees earned and courses attended and world class institutions attended, Google;
Command & Staff College
National Defence University (NDC now made NDU)
Air War College
Naval War College
AMC
NUML

and various others and the degrees they offer and the degrees various officers earn from there and also various other similar institutions that Pakistan Army officers attend over the world such as the RCDS UK, and many other similar ones in US/Aus/Can/China and other friendly countries.

As for Musharraf, he went to PMA got a BSc, went to Gunnery staff course, went to SSG, went to Command Staff College, National Defence College and Royal College of Defence Studies (RCDS) UK. You can again Google the worth of these degrees and courses globally

Who cares about these courses which are in their respective fields of Defence, how can you assume that they become good politicians, diplomats or statesmen. Army has not produced even a single statesman or genuine political leader in 58 years, their training and courses are all related to their respective departments where they belong not to rule the country and destroy its institutions
They are trained to say yes sir to their superior and there is no room for criticism, how can you expect anything good from them in civil matters

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here is another reason thy sacked CJ

Darwaish
I was watching the details of SC registrar Syed Hammad Raza’s mysterious murder on Geo news this morning when I saw another breaking news about the arrest of DIG SalimUllah Khan by Sindh police from Islamabad.
The name suddenly rang a bell in my head and reminded me of that famous bonded labour case of Haari/peasant Manoo Bheel which got very famous in 2006 and early 2007. DIG SalimUllah Khan was the main investigation officer of the case of Manoo Bheel in Sindh. It was one of the many cases in which Chief Justice of Pakistan took suo moto notice and was taking personal interest. I don’t know how many of readers here actually followed this tragic story of a peasant from interior Sindh so let me share some background.
Originally from Thar, Manoo Bheel migrated to an irrigated area after a drought and in 1980s started working with a zamindar named Hayat Rind near Naukot in district Mithi as a working partner. After some years Rind claimed that Manoo had taken an advance so he refused the payment of Manoo’s wages and sold Manoo and three of his brothers and two of his in laws with their families (total 21 family members) to another zamindar named Abdul Rehman Marri in Sanghar district.
At Marri’s farm, the peasants started meetings to plan their escape and arranged for the escape of Kirshan Kolhi who later met many political, social and human rights activists and persuaded them to work for the freedom of other bonded labourers on that farm. Under pressure, local administration raided the farm of Marri in the presence of human rights activists from Pakistan and United Kingdom. At the time of raid Manoo was working at another farm belonging to the same zamindar so he was not released but 71 others, including members of his family, were released in this single raid. As the only remaining captive, Manoo was tortured for his alleged involvement in raid. After some time Manoo too was released.
On 2nd April 1998 Rehman Marri along with another zamindar, Bashir Chowdri raided their transit residence with vehicle no. 0233 and kidnapped nine family members of Manoo who are still untraceable. Among those abducted were Khero (father, aged 70), Akho (mother, 60s), Motan (wife, 40), Talal (brother, 25), Momal (daughter, 13), Chaman (son, 10), Kanjee (son, eight), Dhanee (daughter one) and a relative Kirto. Manoo is on token hunger strike in front of Hyderabad Press Club since 19 January 2003. Nothing further happened on this case until in 2006, Chief Justice of Pakistan took suo moto notice of Manoo’s case while considering an application of a Swedish human rights activist, Torborg Isakssan. After the initial proceedings, in November 2006 SC gave one month deadline to inspector general (IG) of police for Sindh Jehangir Mirza for the recovery of a peasant’s family. Daily Times reported in November 2006:
A Supreme Court bench consisting of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, Justice Muhammad Nawaz and Justice Syed Saeed Ashhad rejected police report regarding efforts made for the recovery of abducted people. “All of this is paper work and we want concrete results. From now onward it will be the IG’s duty to conduct the investigation of this case himself and produce the family in the court on the next hearing date,” the bench ruled. The chief justice had appointed DIG Salimullah Khan to find the kidnapped people, but during the case pendency Salimullah was suspended after serious differences with the Sindh IG.
“The man appointed by the court is disliked by you. He is transferred. That is why we are now entrusting this task on you,” said the chief justice.
Sindh police failed to produce Manoo Bheel’s family on next hearing and the SC gave them one last chance till April 14, 2007. Supreme Court of Pakistan also reinstated DIG SalimUllah Khan later on to carry on investigation on the case. Unfortunately, CJ himself was suspended on March 09 before he could have taken any serious action against police officials.
So watching the DIG arrest story this morning reminded me of the poor peasant who is still hoping that may be one day, he will be able to meet his family. I am not sure I am convinced that they are all even alive now. DIG SalimUllah Khan spoke to The News just before his arrest on Monday and said many police officers, including the IG, were not happy with the progress in the Manoo Bheel case and the arrests of the main accused in the case, landlord Abdul Rahman Marri, and some SHOs on the charges of running illegal and private torture cells.
I am being punished for taking action against lawbreakers and showing development in the Manoo Bheel case under the directives of the Supreme Court of Pakistan, which annoyed my IG, Khan said. The basis of the orders was illegal and unjustified and I will fight to get justice at all costs and even bring the situation to the knowledge of the Supreme Court, he said, noting the apex court had appointed him chief investigation officer in the Manoo Bheel case.
I don’t know what will happen to this case now as both the men who were trying to provide Manoo Bheel some kind of justice are now seeking justice for themselves. Its amazing we never realized how many similar kind of public interest cases Chief Justice of Pakistan was listening before he was suspended. I started going through the detailed proceedings of only a few and not only I was deeply moved by some of the cases and remarks made by CJ but also it helped me better understand why police officials, federal government, Sindh government, agencies etc were not happy with CJ.
We also saw on 12th May how Chief Justice Sindh High Court’s orders were simply ignored by the administration. It also raises questions about why is it that judges in Pakistan seem completely unable to apply the fundamental legal principle of habeas corpus and order police or military officers to produce detained or arrested persons in court? SC bench is yet to give a verdict on CJ mishandling case. Tough decisions have to be made and example needs to be set at this defining moment of our history. Without resolute words and deeds from judges, police and soldiers will remain unimpressed and at ease, no matter the extent of their alleged abuses, and the number of cries from around the country against them. People in Pakistan expect and deserve better: it is beholden upon the judiciary to provide it.

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Late Hammad was CJ's most trustworthy person and as carried by the papers he was the prime witness in the defence against President's reference so killing him served two purposes; a witness gone and CJ stands posted that the State can go to this extent as well.
I condole Hammad's young death. May Allah bless his soul and protects his small children and his widow.

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A hormonally charged 8th grader could have written a better versed and more interesting book then the intellectual, typographical and factual catastrophe Mush put together..."Growing up on tough streets of Nazimabad"...the Nazimabad in the 50s and 60s was a pretty posh locality..."I stood up to a bully"..."I am a commando" ... "I impressed girls with my masculanity"..."I fought other boys to impress girls"...Did I tell you that "I am a commando"..."I had a bengali girlfriend"...pathetic..."I am a commando"...

Best example of mediocrity rising to the top...Even Bush's book would more inspiring then the crap Mush assembled...

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Symk and Capricorn,

You should have started a new thread because of entirely a different subject matter, these posts really do not belong here and most probably no one would respond.

FARID

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hammad raza's father says that a police vehicle was standing outside their home when the murderers made their way into their home and killed hammad. the police didnt intervene during all this affair although the neighbours told them that hammad was fired upon...the police men allowed the killers to flee after the murder... (source BBC URDU website)

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Hamad’s last emails

: Hamad Raza, the slain Additional Registrar of the Supreme Court and personal staff officer to Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, in his last few e-mails to a group of DMGs humorously skipped the questions about the “inside story” of the March 9 “adventure”.

“I am not going to give it away as this will be my bread and butter post-retirement in the form of a best seller (Qudratullah Shahab!!),” reads Hamad’s e-mail forwarded to me by one of his friends.