Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
hahah,
I hope you must be satisfied now, the death toll is increasing with each passing day, and all the casualties belong to security forces, none of the militants has yet been killed.
Probably you are unaware about the traditions in tribal areas.
You cannot deal the matter through force, and if it is tried, it is destined to be a big failure. There, matters are dealt through jirga and that is the only and amicable solution to the problem.
By using the force you can appease the west but you cannot achieve victory rather you have to face more and more casualties.
hey man nothing a few daisy cutters cant take care of.
when militants will die, we will see apologists with hidden ethnic and ideological allegiance to these terrorists show up with umpteen conspiracy theories..kinda like whathas been happening since the lal masjid rodent cleaning
Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
While we sit in Jirgas and "talk" to these people, they go around expanding their networks, killing pro govt elders, sending people to commit murder in Afghanistan, commit suicinde bombings all over NWFP...
What would you suggest we do? Few months ago the BBC was talking to people in Tank who said they felt let down by the security forces as the Taliban had free reign over the whole area... Im sure troops will die, but atleast this will slow down the parasite taliban expansion.
It is not the matter of slowing down the talibanization that too at the cost of lives of so many soldiers, our soldiers blood is not water which can be shed just for minor achievements.
There is a need to bring a permanent end to the growing disaster and that can best be done through jirga.
If Local Taliban dont defer to the decision of the jirga, it will go against them, as local population will directly withdraw their support.
I think govt has already announced that, lets hope Jirga bring peace and stability and of course the writ of the govt
Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
It is not the matter of slowing down the talibanization that too at the cost of lives of so many soldiers, our soldiers blood is not water which can be shed just for minor achievements.
There is a need to bring a permanent end to the growing disaster and that can best be done through jirga.
If Local Taliban dont defer to the decision of the jirga, it will go against them, as local population will directly withdraw their support.
I think govt has already announced that, lets hope Jirga bring peace and stability and of course the writ of the govt
Moderate Pashtoons are powerless in front of the hardened terrorist Arabs/Uzbeks.
The old tribal system has completely broken down. The system was not suitable for contemporary lifestyle anyway.
It is time to end the draconian FCR and make FATA a separate province with its own police force, assembly, and the local laws.
Jirgas don't work in today's world. Afghanistan example makes it clear, that you must take on the anti-national forces. If you don't that NATO will come "take care" of you.
Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
hahah,
NATO only comes on invitation, however, i agree with the proposal of separate province, I think that is a better solution.
Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
seriously speaking , FATA should be a number of provinces, and the existing provinces need to be made into multiple smaller units as well.
Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
The division should be upto the identity level, further division will exacerbate our dilemmas.
Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
The division should be upto the identity level, further division will exacerbate our dilemmas.
And the bureaucratic overhead will increase as well. For 52 provinces, there will 52 assemblies, 52 governors, 52 Chief Ministers, and 52,000 Ministers.
May be that's the way to go for "empowering" everyone. But the situation will soon lead to "Too many Chiefs and no Indian".
Regarding FATA, there is a plan on the table. Wali-Sawat has proposed to merge Northern areas as one province, and Southern FATA as a separate province. I am not sure where the boundaries will be. However FCR must go.
Ordinary Pashtoons must be freed from the yoke of political agents and the Arab terrorists. The first change has constitutional solution and the other is military one.
Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
Regarding FATA, there is a plan on the table. Wali-Sawat has proposed to merge Northern areas as one province, and Southern FATA as a separate province. I am not sure where the boundaries will be. However FCR must go.
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What is this "norther areas" It means northern areas of FATA or it means the Norther Areas (gilgit etc)
Because Norther Areas are included in the disputed land and cannot be merged with Swat/Frontier.
Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
The division should be upto the identity level, further division will exacerbate our dilemmas.
depends on what people consider identity level, language? ethnicity? tribe? what.
Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
It cant be tribe, but you may take it as ethnicity or leading languages.
Re: 12,000 troops sent at request of NWFP govt to check militants
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\07\20\story_20-7-2007_pg7_35
JUI-F reluctant to oppose govt’s policies
Staff Report
PESHAWAR: Though the Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) and the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) have apparently a similar stand on law and order issues, including military operations, the JUI-F is reluctant to oppose the federal government’s anti-militant policies, as it is more interested in ‘rule politics’.
The NWFP government finds itself in an embarrassing situation these days. It requested the federal government to deploy the army in Swat and other troubled areas, while on the other hand its major ally, the JI, was demanding the federal government withdraw army from the areas where it had been deployed. **The provincial government, headed by JUI-F’s Akram Khan Durrani, is under enormous pressure and confused as general elections are knocking at the door and the religious alliance has its vote-bank mainly in rural areas. “The JI and the JUI-F have scores of differences on the inside over political issues and the federal government’s anti-militant policies,” Brig (r) Mehmood Shah, former secretary home, tribal affairs and secretary FATA, told Daily Times.
Shah said Chief Minister Durrani asked for army’s help at the recent National Security Council (NSC) meeting and that the security forces were deployed in Swat and other areas on his request. The former home secretary said the JUI-F believed in ‘rule politics’ and could not afford to lose NWFP and Balochistan governments by opposing the centre’s policies. **