100 years of Ahmadi religion

[Seminole]

@psyah

Muslims believe Isa (AS) never died, is still alive and will return AS AN UMMATI (i.e. like a follower of Muhammad (SAW)) have battle, win, rule and die a natural death.

The return of Isa (AS) will not break the criterion of finality of prophethood ... according to hadith Isa (AS) will not lead the prayer he will pray behind the established Imam. This is not the position of a prophet. At most Isa (AS) will be a great general. And later a Khaliph.

I want everyone who insults and demeans Ahmadis because they feel they have corrupted Islam to read these two points. If you think Ahmadis insult Islam, just think what Christians must think about these views. You couldn't have a more corrupted and insulting version of Christianity if you tried. Turning Jesus into a warrior and follower of a prophet that more resembers the Old Testament he replaced goes against everything he taught according to Christians.

So the lesson must be respect people for their beliefs and don't compare them to your own.

[Moonshiner]

Seminole,

Don't fundamentalist Christians, the John Haggee types, believe that Jesus will be a warrior in the end days, killing all the non-Christians?

[Seminole]

Re: 100 years of Ahmadi religion

Evangelical Christians have perverted Christianity more than Muslims. Christian should mean "Christ-like" and these modern fundamentaliasts are more facist than Christ-like. Nothing about Jesus is in favor of wealth, war, the death penalty, intolerance or bigotry - mainstay views amongst the Christian fundos. They have hijacked Christianity to the same extent violence-spewing mullahs have hijacked Islam.

[Moonshiner]

Seminole,

You seem very passionate about this issue, and I am trying now to understand the background behind fundamentalist Christian belief.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but don't fundamentalist Christians derive their ideology from the Book of Revelations which is part of the New Testament?

Maybe we should start a new thread on this.

[psyah]

@Seminole

Evangelical Christians have perverted Christianity more than Muslims. Christian should mean "Christ-like" and these modern fundamentaliasts are more facist than Christ-like. Nothing about Jesus is in favor of wealth, war, the death penalty, intolerance or bigotry - mainstay views amongst the Christian fundos. They have hijacked Christianity to the same extent violence-spewing mullahs have hijacked Islam.

Peace Seminole

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Holy Bible KJV Matthew 10:34

Holy Bible NIV Luke verse numbers in text
41Peter asked, "Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?"

42The Lord answered, "Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? 43It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. 44I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 45But suppose the servant says to himself, 'My master is taking a long time in coming,' and he then begins to beat the menservants and maidservants and to eat and drink and get drunk. 46The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

47"That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

49"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! 51Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Holy Bible KJV Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Generally understood in the Christian faith is the tribulation period prior to the rapture ... a war is a tribulation. There will be other also. The extent of the belief in all denominations is that the Kingdom of God on Earth will be established prior to the End Times. This means that somehow some sort of revolution will need to take place. The Muslims assert it will be a military based revolution and the main tribulation will be of the AntiChrist who will be killed by Christ.

To address the comment "Christ-Like" It is Muslims who should be insulted. We are more Christ like than the Christians. A Muslims male should have a beard, be circumcised, not eat pork, do plenty of supplications to God, prayer with our faces to the ground in addition to being humble and helping people.

[armughal]

Re: 100 years of Ahmadi religion

yep, and they r the only people who call themselves muslims and r still liked by the israelis and r given an office in israel as well....

o sorry, i forgot.... bahais too r liked by the zionists....

common agenda i guess :)

[AQ]

@denada

** claims to be the fastest growing sect within Islam. **

They have nothing to do with Islam let alone calling it a sect within it.

PS: Interesting to know that a denada (traslation: hindu) would post such a thing in religion forum... quite visible agenda I must say :)

[Code_Red]

@FrozenFire

This is what you call ignorance. You know they aknowledge prophet Muhammad as prophet yet they are not allowed to give azaan in their mosque out loud.. ahmadi people do not believe in voilence. Govt of Pakistan declared us non-muslims..we tolerated.. they made the rule that whichever Ahmadi says kalima tayyaba, they shud be jailed…they tolerated..now wattt else do u want ahmadis to do?.. they are considered to be one of the most peacefull people amongst muslim sects… always speaking and trying to convey the message of peace and love around the globe..and yet Pakistan is still not allowing ahmadis to atleast celebrate for their 100 years of jubilee… well, if pakistan keep on doing this …sadly, stuff thats happeneing in pakistan currently will keep on happening… (poverty, voilence in the name of Allah etc )

Another similarity… I am on a roll or what :rotato:

Just Like Jews would keep on whining about holocaust and anti sementic crap like retards, and boast their ego-centric views and remain aloof about cries of humanity and other humantarian crisis the world is facing in every era.

Ahmadies are also following footsteps of jews like a very observent student :k:

They will cry about the prosecution in pakistan and how they are declared non-muslims their and the stupid restrictions ( no doubt they are stupid and useless). But the fact remains that Ahmadies are the wealthiest comunity in Pakistan where , 40 % population lives in poverty. They are close knit and only care about other ahmadies.

[Code_Red]

Re: 100 years of Ahmadi religion

To view things clearly these above mentioned traits are not necessarily negative. I believe, They are doing the smartest thing one can do, follow the footsteps of poineers. Despite all odds Jews are the most successfull comunity in human race. They deserve to followed.

A question arises : why they (ahmadies) are not following the muslim model, specially when they call them muslims so passionately ?

Answer is simple. Muslims are the most pathetic follower of their religion. They have no sense and no direction. They have absolutely no unity and no motivation to improve their status. Why one would like to follow a failed model ?

All in all , ahmadies in pakistan are good people. Relatively better than average pakistan in mannerism , education, social status and wealth. They do care about thier brethren in faith. Pakistani Muslims should learn something from them :k:

[AllahkaBanda]

@Seminole

I want everyone who insults and demeans Ahmadis because they feel they have corrupted Islam to read these two points. If you think Ahmadis insult Islam, just think what Christians must think about these views. You couldn't have a more corrupted and insulting version of Christianity if you tried. Turning Jesus into a warrior and follower of a prophet that more resembers the Old Testament he replaced goes against everything he taught according to Christians.

So the lesson must be respect people for their beliefs and don't compare them to your own.

errr...do you even listen to yourself? When did exposing people's false beliefs with evidences become insulting the followers of that belief? Where did you get the idea that we say: "ahamdis have corrupted Islam"? Islam can never be corrupted, please brush your basic knowledge of Islam. Saying that someone is presenting false/corrupted version of a religion is not same as saying that they have corrupted the religion itself, get your logic straight!

Also, what's up with hypocrisy? If a Muslim says something about others' nonsensical believes then it is considered an insult to people but other way around does not work for some reason--at least that's what I have seen from you. What happened to respecting other people's believes in the other thread where you miserably failed to prove anything?

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[Zero_one]

@Code_Red

A question arises : why they (ahmadies) are not following the muslim model, specially when they call them muslims so passionately ?

Well as an Ahmadi i can safely say that i and my fellow ahmadi try to follow the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW that’s why i and my fellow Ahmadis call themselve MUSLIMS regardless of what other think say or do about it.

And for those who still don’t get it “IT’S BETWEEN ME AND ALLAH SWT”.

Tell me one occasion when the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW forced Islam unto anyone or forced anyone out of Mecca after he gloriously entered Mecca ???

So much to the actions of Government of Pakistan and other follow their deeds

BTW have a look here

This about the Berlin Mosque Ahmdis r bilding.

[armughal]

Tell me one occasion when the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW forced Islam unto anyone or forced anyone out of Mecca after he gloriously entered Mecca ????

ghulam ahmad qadiyani comes under the same category of musailma and talayha and we all know the Prophet (saw) sent out army against them....

[naqsa]

@Code_Red

Another similarity… I am on a roll or what :rotato:

Just Like Jews would keep on whining about holocaust and anti sementic crap like retards, and boast their ego-centric views and remain aloof about cries of humanity and other humantarian crisis the world is facing in every era.

Ahmadies are also following footsteps of jews like a very observent student :k:

They will cry about the prosecution in pakistan and how they are declared non-muslims their and the stupid restrictions ( no doubt they are stupid and useless). But the fact remains that Ahmadies are the wealthiest comunity in Pakistan where , 40 % population lives in poverty. They are close knit and only care about other ahmadies.

Nice to know we are welathiest community in Pakistan. Btw…what’s your source and has your source also considered Ismailis?

We are in fact the most united community in Pakistan and around the world and our mission is to spread Islam the way Prophet Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) has taught us.
Anti-Ahmadis can continue to make every attempt to defame us but they must not forget that we have flourishd in the past 100+ years and we will continue to do so. Inshallah.

[naqsa]

Oh and I must mention that Humanity First is an International Relief organization that helps people stricken by natural disasters. You can google them and find out for yourself. This organization is founded by Ahmadis and is a proof that we care for all of HUMANITY and not just Ahmadis.

Keep bringing it on!

[Moonshiner]

But the fact remains that** Ahmadies are the wealthiest comunity in Pakistan** where , 40 % population lives in poverty. They are close knit and only care about other ahmadies.

Are you sure about that? I would say the Ismailis. I have an Ahmadi friend who left Pakistan due to persecution, and his family back in Pakistan is not wealthy or even middle class.

[zobia]

@Code_Red

Another similarity… I am on a roll or what :rotato:

Just Like Jews would keep on whining about holocaust and anti sementic crap like retards, and boast their ego-centric views and remain aloof about cries of humanity and other humantarian crisis the world is facing in every era.

Ahmadies are also following footsteps of jews like a very observent student :k:

They will cry about the prosecution in pakistan and how they are declared non-muslims their and the stupid restrictions ( no doubt they are stupid and useless). But the fact remains that Ahmadies are the wealthiest comunity in Pakistan where , 40 % population lives in poverty. They are close knit and only care about other ahmadies.

hain?..

i thought its parsi community

ps. i have noticed this thing that most of the ahmadies live in germany. dont know why?

[FrozenFire]

But the fact remains that Ahmadies are the wealthiest comunity in Pakistan where , 40 % population lives in poverty. They are close knit and only care about other ahmadies.

ok where are you getting this inaccurate information from?.. try to go a little back in history and find out urself that the prime minister of pakistan (dont remmber which year tho and im not sure if it was zia ul haq or bhutto).. restricted all ahmadis that they cannot have a rank higher than 16 or i think 17th level.. thats as high as they can go..regardless of their education or skills... they are just not allowed to get promoted..so how will they be wealthiest in pakistan?.. in fact, most of the ahmadis in pakistan are middle class , if not hand to mouth.

What else would you do my friend to stop this movement?.. you guys have done more than enough already.

[FrozenFire]

@zobia

hain?..

i thought its parsi community

ps. i have noticed this thing that most of the ahmadies live in germany. dont know why?

they’re all around the globe. From Indonesia to Bangladesh.. From South Asia to middle east, from europe to Africa.

More than 293 countries across the world.

[Zero_one]

ghulam ahmad qadiyani comes under the same category of musailma and talayha and we all know the Prophet (saw) sent out army against them....

Hmmmm.... so u r now defining who fall in which category ..... Allah hi Khair karey

[chacha_Ghalib]

Re: 100 years of Ahmadi religion

its interesting how educated people lose their senses when it comes to talking about Ahmadiyyat. Can't you people find another hobby?

Can you find another example where a false prophet was blessed as Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(on whom be peace) was blessed? Can you find any false prophet whose jamaat, despite the best efforts of its opponents to stop and destroy it from the beginning, prospered as the Ahmadiyya jamaat has prospered?

ye to mad'aiee sust, gawah chust wala muamla hai kay khuda, jis per buhtaan bandhnay ka ilzaam lagaya jaata hai, apni qudraton say musalsal iss jamaat ki taaeed karta jaata hai aur muslmaan khudaa hi kay naam per ahmadiyyon per zulm-o-jabar kartay chalay jaaty hain... kaya tum ko khuda say zayada uss kay naam ki ghairat hai?

Allah told Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad long before anyone knew his name: "I shall bless you, I shall bless you so much that kings shall seek blessings from your clothes" and also "I shall cause thy message to reach the corners of the earth." Can any of you make such a claim? Was it not fulfilled in the most spectacular way? Why can't you see that those who oppose this jamaat and try to disrespect its founder are humiliated by God, though they be heads of states. Those, who in your eyes, did jihaad against the ahmadis met the most horrible ends. Is this how Allah rewards those who do jihaad? The Government of the most powerful islamic nation tried to destroy this jamaat and yet couldn't. Why is that? Allah told Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (on whom be peace) "I shall humiliate those who try to humiliate you"

If this jamaat creates fitna among the final religion of Allah and if it disrespects His beloved Prophet(saw) then why is it that God doesn't help you in your endeavors to destroy this jamaat? The more you try to stop its progress, more doors Allah opens for it.

Code_red: despite your best efforts to group us with jews, you'll find a lot more resemblance between us and early christians and u'll find that muslims are acting against us exactly as jews acted against Jesus (on whom be peace). You'll also find many resemblances between Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and Jesus.

Some have asked why Ahmadiyyat is opposed with such vigor and other sects who might have much more insulting beliefs are not? The reason is the same as for the advent of any other reformer. The jamaat that is on truth is always vigorously opposed and the opponents, despite being each others' enemies, unite in their effort to destroy the jamaat of momeneen.

p.s. i do not find threads on the topic of Ahmadiyya belief fruitful as bigots come in and start defaming and calling names. I don't doubt the intentions of the thread opener as he might not have known that mentioning Ahmadiyyat could bring a lot of passion in even the most ignorant of muslims.