100 years of Ahmadi religion

Not many people know who the Ahmadis are, or for that matter that their headquarters can be found in none other than the leafy middle-class confines of Putney. Until they sent me an invitation, I always assumed the 200 million strong Muslim sect, which is often deemed to be heretical by orthodox Muslims, was based in Pakistan where it emerged 100 years ago.

The cause of yesterday’s celebration was that 27 May 2008 marked the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Ahmadi Khalifat, a succession of leaders who would guide the community following the death of the religion’s founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmed in 1908.

Many religions believe in some sort of messianic figure who will return to earth to restore justice - Judaism has the Messiah, Christianity has Christ, Hinduism has Krishna and Islam has the Mahdi, as prophesied by Muhammad.

Ahmadis believe that in the late nineteenth century Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, a controversial and colourful Indian religious figure, was not only the Mahdi but that he was the successor to the prophet Muhammad. He also declared that Jesus (known as Isa in Islam) survived his crucifixion, recovered and went in search of the lost tribes of Israel - eventually settling in India in Kashmir where he died at the ripe old age of 120.

This set him at odds with both Christians and Muslims but nonetheless by the time of his death in 1908 more than 300,000 people had joined the new faith. Since then the religion has grown worldwide to approximately 200 million (20,000 of whom live in England) and claims to be the fastest growing sect within Islam.

But the journey has been anything but easy. Most mainstream Muslims believe that the return of Jesus will in fact predate the coming of the Mahdi and that the Ahmadis are heretical for believing that Ghulam Ahmed was the messiah.

In 1984 the Pakistani government, spurred on by hardline mullahs, banned the Ahmadis from proselytising and officially labelled them non-Muslims. Shortly afterwards the fourth Kalif moved his headquarters to Britain.

Watching the thousands of families gather for prayers yesterday it struck me how strange it was that the birth of a Indian Muslim sect was being celebrated in East London. Many people I spoke to expressed sadness that the celebrations could not be held in Pakistan and joy at the fact that, despite the odds, their religion had survived.

But it also reminded me just how strong the connections between Ahmadism and Britain are. Ahmadis formed a prominent number of early emigres to Britain in the early twentieth century and in 1924 they built the Fazal Mosque in Putney - the first mosque in London.

In 2003 they built the largest mosque in Europe, the Bait al Futuh in Morden (pictured above). Although it’s worth pointing out that when they did the Muslim Council of Britian - the country’s most prominent Muslim umbrella organisation - issued a statement saying it was not a mosque because Ahmadis are not Muslims.

In the meantime, every year thousands of Ahmadi pilgrims travel to the UK to seek an audience with the current Kalif, Mirza Masroor Ahmed.

Prominent Ahmadis I spoke to yesterday were also emphasising how the Ahmadi Community has traditionally rejected violence despite repeatedly being victims of persecution themselves. They emphasised how the faith’s founder, Ghulam Ahmed, repeatedly told his followers to engage in “the jihad (struggle) of the pen and word”.

Rafiq Hayat, the National President of the Ahmadiyya Community in Britain, told me: “Public perception of Islam is often tainted by the way it is portrayed in the media - with zealots preaching hate-filled diatribe and calling for violence. That is not Islam.”

Ahmadism’s motto, plastered on the walls of the Excel centre yesterday, reads: “Love for all, hatred for none” and I couldn’t help but think in the current climate those words were not only a fitting testament to the story of Ahmadism, but also our story now.

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Wow, I am really moved ,,,NOT. Did you know the actual reason behind the "strong" presence of ahmadi's in UK? Yes, British started this Fitna to begin with, of course they were "sympathetic" to the struggles of the Ahmadi and offered home away from home to all those who joined in dilution and further segregation of muslims around the world.

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200 million strong????
what a joke!!!!

u shud have sid something like 200 thousand to make it look real....

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It proves one thing is surely common among muslims and ahmadies.

They both are repulsive to family planning :vivo:

One thing common in ahmadies and jews. Both have strong active cenrtrifugal and adhessive forces in their ranks.

I believe it is high time that Ahmadies should follow the footsteps of Jews, as similarities are stagering i.e prosecution, thrown out from native land , found safe heaven in europe and west , unity , enlightentend and educated followers, and God knows what.

In my opinion they should gather strength and declare an independent state in the middle of india , “Qadianistaan” Wow. I have named it too. Ahmadies should thank me for this brilliant idea. I am genius or what :smooth:

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Good luck to them!!! Mirza wouldnt be the first one...and he wont be the last!

What about Rabwa in Pakistan … isnt it a state in state ?

Actually the movement started from Indian part of Punjab, here in Pakistan they are like "refugees", "discriminated" ( not allowed to call them selves muslims - legally) and face great deal of threats.

Britain should help them build a new state in India, same as they did in Palestine, in this state, the Khalifa can actually practice his khilafah and implement the true spirit of Ahmadi religion.

For putting up the name of their state, Code-Red would be the first non-Ahmadi national hero for the state of Qabyanistan.

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How come Pakistani Government labelled Ahmadis non muslims but spare Ismailis?

Also, shouldn't they be treated like *Mutawahidun *(believer in One God), they also aknowledge Prophet Muhammad(SAW) a Prophet so aren't they closer to Muslims more than Jews and Christians?

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Ismailis have a lot of power and influence in Pakistan as compared to the Ahmadis.

Also the incompetent Pakistani government has no right to label anyone.

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i would like to congratulate all ahmadi muslims around the globe for 100 years of khilaafat. This sect has faced a lottt of difficulty throughout his 100 years but has successfully overcome every single obstacle...

Just imagine, in just 100 years... this jamaat has sent his message across 293 countries!.. unbelievable!

This is what you call ignorance. You know they aknowledge prophet Muhammad as prophet yet they are not allowed to give azaan in their mosque out loud.. ahmadi people do not believe in voilence. Govt of Pakistan declared us non-muslims..we tolerated.. they made the rule that whichever Ahmadi says kalima tayyaba, they shud be jailed...they tolerated..now wattt else do u want ahmadis to do?.. they are considered to be one of the most peacefull people amongst muslim sects... always speaking and trying to convey the message of peace and love around the globe..and yet Pakistan is still not allowing ahmadis to atleast celebrate for their 100 years of jubilee... well, if pakistan keep on doing this ...sadly, stuff thats happeneing in pakistan currently will keep on happening... (poverty, voilence in the name of Allah etc )

There are two types of Ahmadis, right? One group believes in the finality of Muhammad's prophethood and believes Mirza Ghulam to be a messiah and the other does not believe in the finality of Muhammad's prophethood and believes Mirza to be a full prophet.

If that's the case, then why are both groups seen the same way by the government of Pakistan?

Im not here to defend Ahmadis here..but one thing that i do wanna say here is that there was a claim that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said.. and it was " I shall cause thy message to reach the corners of the earth" and what happened?.. Pakistan declared them non-muslims and therefore actually given ahmadis living in Pakistan the opportunity to move out of Pakistan and spread the world.. so in other words… fulfilling the words of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

You mean i would be like Chowdery Rehmat Ali of Qadianistan ? WoW Sounds fascinating :roman:

They would teach about me in their social studies books, They would mention this forum too :k:

Okey jokes apart, another similarity…

Just like jews gave this world a brilliant mind in the form of Eintsein

Ahmadies gave pakistan its only Noble laureate , Dr. Abd us Salam. A genius Scientist and a patriotic pakistani

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what do u mean by the 'full' prophet?..

Ahmadis believe exactly what other normal muslims believe and that is that there cant be any other prophet better than beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

Finality of prophethood is a big question to other muslims as well.. you tell me .. when according to you.. Jesus AS will appear..will he not actually break the finality of prophethood?.. He sure will ..but then you'll say He will appear BUT will accept Islam and follow the footstep of Prophet Muhammad PBUH and therefore this will not break the seal of prophethood.. same is the case with the appearance of Imam Mehdi. When according to you..he'll appear..you'll also regard him as prophet becuz he will be the appointed one?..will he not?..but this will not break the finality of prophethood..

In other words.. Quran is the final words of Allah and will remain so till the day of judgement.. no other shariah can come now. Prophet Muhammad PBUH surely is the best prophet of all time..

As far as your question about 2 diff groups of ahmadis being regarded the same (although 1 group thats known as Lahorie ahmadis are very low to none in population..)by the Pakistani govt, well, bro.. i wud love you to give me an answer to this instead of u asking me this. Ask your molvie, see what he says.. ask ur govt.. tell them to regard these 2 groups differently and dont let the words of Hzt Mirza Ghulam Ahmad spread.. that was once again " i shall cause thy message to reach the corners of earth "..

PS: the title of the thread is wrong. Ahmadi is not a religion. It is a movement within Islam. The true face of Islam. Thread name shud be something similar to " 100 years of Ahmadiyya Movement "

But sadly he was not appreciated enough. If we had recognized his intelligence we wud have been a nuclear power long time ago.

PS: dont you find it strange?.. a non-muslim with the name of Abdus Salam? i know i do.

Sorry. I meant final prophet.

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Finality of prophethood is a big question to other muslims as well.. you tell me .. when according to you.. Jesus AS will appear..will he not actually break the finality of prophethood?.. He sure will ..but then you'll say He will appear BUT will accept Islam and follow the footstep of Prophet Muhammad PBUH and therefore this will not break the seal of prophethood.. same is the case with the appearance of Imam Mehdi. When according to you..he'll appear..you'll also regard him as prophet becuz he will be the appointed one?..will he not?..but this will not break the finality of prophethood
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Well your questions regarding Jesus and whether he is the final prophet is irrelevant to **ME **since I am an agnostic and don't consider myself Muslim. I am just trying to understand the difference in religion/sects and why the Pakistani government is so prejudiced against Ahmadis.
But you brought up the topic of Mehdi. I thought that Imam Mehdi would be viewed as a messiah, not a Prophet.

Yes, Jesus (AS) will be considered a prophet even after his second desent.

ps: I PM'ed you..plz reply.

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Peace All

Clarifications throughout this thread are required:

1) In the main article this was posted:

Most mainstream Muslims believe that the return of Jesus will in fact predate the coming of the Mahdi

This is not accurate. Imam Mahdi is supposed to appear before Isa (AS).

2) Muslims believe Isa (AS) never died, is still alive and will return AS AN UMMATI (i.e. like a follower of Muhammad (SAW)) have battle, win, rule and die a natural death.

3) The return of Isa (AS) will not break the criterion of finality of prophethood ... according to hadith Isa (AS) will not lead the prayer he will pray behind the established Imam. This is not the position of a prophet. At most Isa (AS) will be a great general. And later a Khaliph.

4) We reject the basis of Ahmadiyyat for a number of reasons, which are:

a) We believe in the reality of miracles and do not dismiss them in any way
b) We do not claim that Isa (AS) has died
c) The title of Masih is reserved only for Isa (AS) ibn Maryam, despite all prohpets being Masih
d) All of the signs were not established upon the coming of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
e) Muslims must believe in peace and love, but not to an extent that makes us vunerable and ineffective at dealing with oppression. In most cases jihad with the pen is already being undertaken by mainstream Muslims.
f) Traditional Muslims are stricter with dietary requirements also
g) We must believe that there is no prophet after Muhammad (SAW) in any manner even with regards to the reappearance of Isa (AS).
h) There are many contraversial things on a smaller scale such as we note that Ahmadis tend to over use the mutashabihah verses to support their stance and so on.

However, we believe in One God and Hareem01 raises an important point, which actually puts us towards the reality of Pakistan and why it was established. But this is a different topic.