100 years of Ahmadi religion

[chacha_Ghalib]

@AQ

Let’s analyze this in the light of Quran…

According to the Islamic view, Jesus never died

reference please

nor cruicified but was raised alive with his body up the heavens

is this mentioned in the quran? or the hadith? reference please?

around the age of 32/33 (reference about age: various ahaadeeth) and will return at the end of time and complete the Prophecy of the Quran where it mentions that he (AS) will speak to people in KAHOOLAT, which is only attained at the age of 40 as per the dictionary meaning in Arabic…

Why would Quran SPECIFICALLY and CATEGORICALLY tell us that Isa (AS) will talk to people at the mature age? Does not everyone speak in kahoolat - the mature age?

Two references from Quran about the mentioning of Kahoolat:

3:46] “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity [Kah’La]. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”

This following ayah is in the context that Allah will say such on the day of judgement

5:110] Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity [Kah’La]. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’

again, how does he speaking to the people in older age establish that he is still alive? He could’ve spoken to people at the age of 40 if he survived the crucifixion and died a natural death later on

@psyah

Peace Numb

1. The person who is coming will come as a follower of the best Mentor (Peace be upon them)
2. The best Mentor has died and his life is complete as is his mission
3. The person who is coming (Masih Ibn Maryam (AS)) is still alive and needs to die to complete his life.
4. The second part of his mission is also still pending. In fact the pending status of the mission of Masih is prevalent even to the Ahmadiyya community, because until the world becomes Muslim according to Ahmadiyya belief the status of Khilfahtul Masih will continue thus fulfilling the scriptural condition that all will become Muslim at the hands of the Masih. This type of interpretive acrobatics is rejected by mainstream Muslims.
5. The hadith states the second coming of Isa (AS) it is not a matter of using logic why this and why that … Why was not Muhammad (SAW) sent at the beginning of mankind for that reason … you can ask any question but you have to be careful not to shoot yourself in the foot regarding your own stance, in the process.
6. The answer to the question did Isa (AS) survive? The answer partly rests in previous scripture.

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“For he shall give his angels charge concerning thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up on their hands, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone”

This was understood as a criterion for the proof of the claim of Isa (AS) that he would survive. The idea that he (AS) was taken up rests in hadith and in various references in the Bible too. I am only selecting those parts of the New Testament that are compatible with the hadith. If you read some apocryphal books such as Gospel of Barnabas you see more information that lends to this idea too.

What bro AQ has said in the previous post also lends to this idea.

The word of the Qura’an is supreme and the Qura’an mentions the death of Jesus more specifically than of any other prophet. I will provide proof of that once you have established Jesus being alive and present in the heavens.

@psyah

Peace chacha_Ghalib

The Qur’an is not silent on what happened to Masih ibn Maryam (AS) when he was saved. He was taken up to Allah (SWT) … It is not accurate to allege Muslims claim Isa (AS) is still alive because he survived crucifixion. There are other references that bring us to that conclusion. The crucifixion is a humiliation in addition to a long and painful way to die. We assert that the humiliation was not there either. We do not say he survived the crucifixion we say … “the crucifixion event was made to seem that Jesus (AS) was crucified”

the fact of the matter is this that for all their attacks on Ahmadis for believing that Jesus has died as all other humans die, the opponents can not provide any proof for their own beliefs.

for the moment i am asking for proof of the belief that jesus is still alive. Can someone provide that, keeping in mind that whatever proof they have to offer should not conflict with the Qura’an.