Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
I think in cases like these religion and culture are so intertwined. Yes the mullah didn’t cite anything Islamic to justify raping this poor girl but he is using his power as a mullah for wrongdoings. He knows young girls will come to him in the mosque and he abuses this authority. Young girls being sent to mosques for Islamic education by their parents - and this happens. It’s disgusting and sad that no one is thinking to punish him and that’s where you get the male dominated culture of many rural areas in South Asia coming into play. He hasn’t justified his actions using Islam but that doesn’t mean others haven’t tried. There have been many cases where “religious” authorities have misused religious texts to manipulate others into believing their heinous crimes weren’t all that bad. I’m again not singling out Islam because this is common in rural Indian villages as well where pandits have been accused of doing the same to young girls. It’s disgusting.
Given the culture and young girls and boys not mingling - most of these so-called “religious” men, use their power and the guise of religion to prey on these young girls and their unsuspecting families.
I think they made a horrible decision in sending the girl to her parents, and I also wish the women’s rights groups in Afghanistan were more well protected and also had an organization set up to help rescue such girls who are not safe in their own homes.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Really?
What about teachers? Should school system or modern education also be criticized?
Bus driver take school girl and rapes, should school bus system be criticized?
These events are all about authority/chance of having the prey alone.
**There are huge misconception about SE Asia and not having boys girls mingling as reasons OR so called male dominant society as factors leading to this crime.
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These crimes are still not so common where intermingling is also not common.
On the other hand rape is much more common where intermingling is also common.
These crimes have nothing to do with …‘male dominant’ SE Asian society. Male dominant society itself a very vague term.
Places where women have ‘equal rights’, rape still occurs or abuse of women is still present unfortunately.
It is debatable what defines rape and reported method.
Lastly, punishment is being thought about and the man was caught by authorities. Yes, everywhere rapists do get away.
I mean anywhere these occur,… based upon many reasons.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Amber19, I think marrying a rape victim is mentioned in Islam with the supposed reasoning that it could spare the person social stigma… the victim is meant to want it though.. strange as that might seem..
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Marrying a rape victim is something from the old testament. It’s not in the Quran. If it is, please someone show me this, I recall this being a difference between us and Judeo-Christian faith.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
I’m talking about Afghanistan and South Asian countries here not the US. Most of these areas don’t even allow girls to be educated or marry them off very young so you can’t compare the culture in the West to that of these areas. Rape is also viewed differently, it’s not really seen as something to hide or a cause of dishonour in the West while in most South Asian communities it is and most victims choose not to come forward.
You’re not really understanding what I’ve said. And the intermingling part you wrote, I didn’t understand as you’ve contradicted yourself. I’m not saying rape doesn’t occur in the West but what I’m saying is in many cases like this authority figures use their position to victimize innocent people. It happens in the West too but in the West you still have most rapists getting severely punished and the girl who has been raped doesn’t fall victim to “honour killings/disowned by family/risk being unmarried for her life/exiled by the community”. If a women’s rights organization in the West tried to bring to light a case like this they would most probably not be faced with death threats from so-called mullahs or other groups as the video states. That’s where I had brought up religion being intertwined with culture because most people are afraid to even question these so-called mullahs out of fear as appearing that they are questioning their faith. That’s why many of them get away with heinous crimes.
I’m in no way advocating that Islam allows this, just pointing out that people like this misuse religion and use it in a way that if you question them it’s equal to committing blasphemy.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Nowhere I spoke of U.S.
I did not contradict myself. I refuted your point where you tried to connect lack of intermingling as one factor leading to these crimes.
Rapists do get away everywhere it occurs and no, severe punishments are not common for rapists even outside SE Asia. Unfortunately.
More or less, the stigma of being raped is also everywhere. Poor victims do suffer from guilt as well.
Like others, I have already mentioned honor killing is not religion based. Never was. It is not the misuse of religion either.
This practice is purely cultural.
The video person says religion is force of evil. These people are simply ‘jaahil’ and biased. lol
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
I never said a lack intermingling is a CAUSE for rape. I said that rape occurs in these rural area where most often it is authority figures in their lives because there are not many circumstances where they would come into close contact with the opposite sex. Intermingling between the sexes is not common in places like Afghanistan. So when is it appropriate for them to allow their daughters to speak to or be in the company of a male? In circumstances like this unfortunately. I never said religion causes rape or justifies it, I said that many authoritative figures get away with their crimes because of their positions and the misuse of religion and interpretation of texts. I’m not blaming the religion but the sheep of people who are too afraid to question the people they follow or allow close to their daughters. Also I know honour killing is not religion based, but many of these rapes are seen as adultery in the illiterate person’s eyes- and then people have used Islam to justify the punishment for adultery, not the punishment for rape. That’s a major problem.
In the West, the circumstances for rape are quite different as intermingling here is quite common. Also the average age for rape occurring is much higher compared to rural areas and many SE countries.
Also the crime that was committed in Afghanistan would be at least punished if this happened in the West. She was underage - so a minor and even if it had been consensual as he claims, he would face statutory rape charges against him, but I doubt that will happen in Afghanistan. So yes rapes do get punished and more publicized in the West than they do in SE countries - most because of no report and this stigma. There are also more support groups and organizations available to rape victims which are not prominent in SE countries for these young girls to get over the traumatic incident.
I’m not swayed by the opinions of the people in the video, I was just stating my opinion on the issue.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Yes you are basically saying lack of intermingling is a factor which should be blamed for these events. In earlier post you said that as well.
No. Lack of intermingling is not a factor here.
In fact intermingling of opposite gender certainly can lead to more opportunities and hence more rapes.
Only one example: Date Rape.
Yes you are not saying it directly but saying it indirectly.
**Nowhere in this case or anywhere religion was misused.
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As I said authority figure can be anyone, like a teacher or an adult or older person in the family.
When a Christian Priest rapes an altar boy, is that misuse of religion too? Which text is misused there?
When a teacher rapes a student is that misuse of authority or the whole school system?
Answer clearly please.
My point throughout this thread was to leave religion aside since that is not even remotely a factor here. Why keep bringing it one way or other?
You could have stopped after first sentence. Right?
Why contradict after saying ‘but’?
In this case no punishment is given to the girl based on any religion. Period.
What circumstances are different? Please explain. It will be interesting to know your viewpoint there.
Can you back it up by any information the **red **part?
I do not like to throw statistics but you have made such a statement that I have to.
Do you know about 45% rapes are committed towards victims of age less than 18? (That is only about male to female rapes)
45% is not a small number.
And about 80% victims are of less than 30.
Again back it up with any information you might have.
Only about 3% of rapist ever see jail in west my friend.
You do need to get some education in this regard in my humble opinion.
The problem is way more serious than you think even outside SE Asia.
About 60% of rapes are not reported in places where it is not considered as stigma.
Yes there maybe more support groups and organization available outside SE Asia, and that does not mean the problem is not acknowledged.
There may not be organized efforts but relatives, friends and acquaintances with good hearts do come forward and help the victims which may not be highlighted in news.
In this case no one supported the rapist. He was caught. Does that make you feel any better?
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
so rapists are treated the same way in the west as they are in s.asia?? hardly anyone is ever convicted in pakistan for rape. thats not the case here. sometimes it can be hard to prove a rape, but once proven, the rapist is jailed for many years, even life and are registered sex offenders. its amazing how you can make such ridiculous comparison. justice system here cannnot even be compared to what goes in pakistna. sure its not perfect, no where is. but its 100 times better than s.asia
secondly the stigma of rape is FAR less here. there is no issue of ‘honor’. what world do you live in?? rape victims here get sympathy, counseling and can lead normal lives. ever heard of families KILLING their daughter or sister for rape? those girls even get into healthy relationships later on and find guys who will even marry them, very unlike what happens in s.asia where they will be isolated from society if they are not killed. stigma of rape is far far worse in those countries as compared to the ‘west’.
as far as religion being the cause of this, religious people will use religion in whatever way they can to find excuses for crimes.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
errmm, i think you are looking for the word rappers, not rapists. Yes rappers do look like lafangas, but rapping in not a punishable crime, unfortunately.
