Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
I quite agree. Personally, I think it is a combination of the following things:
Misunderstanding of religion - When people cannot read religious texts on their own and are dependent on others for this (i.e. mullahs), they can easily be misguided by extremists.
Instability and lawlessness - With the insurgency causing chaos in various parts of the country, addressing that becomes the priority of the central government and other important issues, such as women’s rights, get pushed to the side or ignored altogether.
Cultural practices - Certain communities in follow a code of ethics much older than Islam, which places much value on honour and supports aspects of honour killings and is quite ingrained in society.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
The people who do these crimes do not consider themselves as “non-religious”. They think that their morals are better than cray cray america, and cray cray urban Pakistan.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
I agree about the last point. Cultural practices that predate Islam.
Thank you for your first point. You used misunderstanding. I used misinterpretation and misuse. Close enough. Can we agree that religion is at times misunderstood? Can we also agree that certain govts have laws based on religion? And that these laws can be misunderstood, misused and misinterpreted?
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Rapes occur in western countries as well perhaps much more than pakistan. The issue we have in Pakistan is a male chauvinist society where women are considered as dirt. By the way do some research on honour killings in Indian Punjab (northern India), nothing to do with religion there.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
southie, i do not disagree with your pro-secular sentence, but rather the fact that you just HAD to bring in how others advocate violence against homosexuality. why are we going down this route, for the billionth time when we have so many threads, which you so actively take part in, regarding them? and actually, nowhere in my post did i say that we shouldn’t discuss religion at all, or its connection to this case. i stopped you because i know where this thread will end up if someone religious responded to you and you retorted back. it would literally turn in to yet another homosexuals are oppressed and religious people are horrid kind.
i will respect your decision to decline responding to quotes. in fact i’m very happy that you won’t, the whole point of my initial post was not to end up derailing.
moving on now.. i think the highlighted points of key aspects to this being culture, lawlessness and religious figures abusing their power is pretty correct. it is not religion but the interpretation or warped thinking of religion that allows mullahs to get away with stuff like this. maybe lack of education also doesn’t help.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
sad to know we live in a world where a thief would hide from people in fear of being shamed whereas a rapist has the confidence and the guts to stand tall infront of a big crowd to justify his actions.
in today’s world, no one would dare to blame a family for being irresponsible for getting their possesions stolen as it might hurt the victim’s feelings…but all are ready to blame a rape victim and make her guilty enough to hide away as if she was a criminal.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Thanks. I understand where you are coming from. As you have correctly observed, I have not responded to quotes from those with him I have engaged in the past. I haven’t read their posts. The ones I have engaged with I did with 100 pct confidence the exchange will be polite.
If I may clarify why I brought up the advocacy of violence issue. Because it is hurtful when religion is misinterpreted. In the case of the girl a mixture of religion, culture, lack of stability and regulations as u put it combined to continue her post rape ill treatment. In the case of the “other set of people” misinterpretation of religion made someone advocate violence in a matter of fact way. I saw the connection.
My objective was not to engage them. But to point this out to the vast majority of folks who do NOT support violence. Yes. This has been discussed in the past in and of itself. But I just felt connecting the dots was called for.
One mild but important clarification. I would never say “religious people are horrid people.” I always maintain misinterpretation of religion leads to trouble. And so intertwining with governance and not good. (I think you have agreed to that. I know this one was inadvertent. But wanted to set record straight). I do get along with the folks concerned. That is why I described them as “Otherwise decent” people.
Thanks for letting me clarify. And thanks for your nice response.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Yes. A shame on our society.You may not believe but a six year old girl was raped in her school a few days back here in my city Bangalore.
You may be wondering thinking it happened in some dilapidated government school but in reality,it happened in one of the leading school chains not only in the state but in the country.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
I’m not sure if you’re referring to me but I did mention misinterpretation of religion in post #61](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=61). However, my comment was about the generally dismal state of women’s rights in some parts of Afghanistan and the various reasons for this, not this case in particular.
Given the variety of different issues raised in this thread and the misunderstandings regarding who said what and what they were referring to, I’m beginning to think that everyone on here is talking about something different.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Absolutely, and repeatedly I was trying to bring the discussion only on this event or event like this, not generalized stereotype comments we see in all threads.
Simple but terrible event.
Man committed crime.
He was caught.
He admitted. Did not say anything in his defense citing religion.
Now somehow the thread got haywire when trolling started and religion was mentioned.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Yes, these are ancient practices that predate Islam. We know that. Because we’ve read the Quran in translation or we know arabic, and tafseer, etc, and we know there is no honor killing concept in our religion.
But the people in these villages have for generations had their pre-Islamic ways of thinking MIXED with Islamic teachings, and so what they think they’re practicing IS Islam.
If they didn’t see these practices as some extension or part of Islam or religion, then they would have abandoned them in hoards, but this stuff is widely accepted in some parts and by some families to the point that even local law enforcement is scared to fight it, because of the uproar that will follow.
My point is that THEY are deluded into thinking these are Islamic practices. They get told that Rasulullah married a 6 year old girl. They get told that in order to prove a rape, you need 4 witnesses, otherwise it is just made up and lies, and not real. They get told that this is what Islam is all about.
We know it’s all BS, but those ignorant villagers actually buy into these ideas, and that’s how old pre-Islamic traditions continue on.
It’s like how animalism continues on in some “muslim” african tribes, where they worship animals also along with Allah. Somewhere some “religious figure” in their community has told them this is all cool and part of Islam. Or like female mutilation where some African tribes insist it’s part of their moral duty to do female mutiliation. Their local mullahs know this and either are deluded into accepting these practices, or they aren’t vocal about it.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Great job, buddy..
Come back with an actual rebuttal. What I speak is fact. These people are deluded into thinking they’re actually practicing some moral form of Islam with their honor killings. They think it’s their right to go for underage girls, and families and other clergy don’t stop them. That’s why this mullah has so much religious groups’ backing at this point, that local authorities are afriad to arrest anyone. When if they were following Islam, that’s what would happen. A bunch of arrests left and right.
So if you look into their psyche - the local village religious community - it’s precisely this: they believe going after underage girls is their Allah-provided RIGHT, because the Prophet did it and so should they.
Until the muslim community fixes the whole issue of how old Aisha (r) really was when she married Rasulullah (SAW), you’re going to keep seeing this nonsense.
