10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor

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^ Sorry. Not hear to fight. Will stick to my intent of not reading and responding to quoted posts. Am here to do constructive analysis. And not pointless arguing.

My post has some overlap with posts 23 and 26. Having a dialogue about the role misinterpretation and abuse of religion plays in such a matter is the first step towards identifying one of the root causes.

Again, this discussion is not about evils of religion. It is about what role misuse and abuse of religion played in

  1. the act
  2. the continued ill treatment of this girl.

Ergo, it is high time we had a dialogue abt the negatives associated with mixing religion and government. (No. For the nth time, this statement is NOT anti religious).

And no. Point 1 does NOT imply religious people approve of this maulvis conduct.

Unfortunately I have to put these disclaimers each time.

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Okay, so he’ll lose his nose and be dishonored, lose his thingy and he’ll be emasculated…and die an agonizing death…which would have been his penalty for his heinous crime. Sounds sufficient.

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Where did you see mixing religion with Government leading to this crime or approval from Govt. because of religion? Prove it.

its getting beyond hilarious to talk about separation of religion from Govt. everywhere. Please try not to start same discussion in each thread. TY

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Ali, what do you mean by “most of these acts are carried out by non religious people”.

  1. do you have a link to back this up
  2. what exactly do you mean by non religious people?

I feel comfortable you will answer politely. Hence the question.

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In tribal societies the former is worse than death as much emphasis is placed on honour (referred to as nang in Pashto). No honour = his entire family is dishonoured, which means that they’ll be viewed as pariahs by their community and anywhere they should move to as people are well aware of what it means to have the nose cut off.

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Mez, putting tribal beliefs aside, why are you so adamant to preserve his weiner? It can use a snipping and a few swift kicks to the nuts.

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I’m not. I’m simply giving the cultural context and reasonings for why the family chose to cut off his nose and ears as it is likely that most people on GS have not spent time in tribal areas and thus, may be unfamiliar with cultural norms there.

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Question is why do you want to have his private part cut?

You do realize neither cutting ears/nose nor cutting private part is condoned or proscribed by Islam (as far as I understand)?

Cutting ears and nose is purely cultural.

He needs to be punished severely though.

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Dead is dead, no matter how it happens.

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^Respectfully disagree. Lets not talk about what method is better shall we?

Rather wait and see what punishment he gets. And he should.

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Is the Islamic penalty for rape not death? If so, then it’s ironic that people want to keep him alive and kill the girl who has already suffered so much. Wow.

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@redvelvet, my comments were in reference to the other case @diwana brought up in which the victim’s family cut off the perpetrator’s nose and ears (see post #35](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=35) ), not the case in the article posted by the OP. Two separate things.

As far as the case posted by the OP, no one on here is suggesting that the girl should be killed or that the family is right in wanting to kill her.

I’d also like to point something out, lest anyone be confused. I am not justifying nor stating that these tribal practices are correct, but simply pointing out that they are the cultural norms in the tribal regions of the country being discussed and thus, play a significant role in the outcome of both cases.

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I don’t think this is a religious issue. The honor killings are tribal thing where people still see woman as property. It happens everywhere including India (among Hindus and Sikhs, too).

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chopping off his little elvis won’t kill him, unless you let the guy bleed to death.

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Where do you see anyone wanting to kill the girl? Or keep this man alive?

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Indeed honor killings happen in India and Hindus definitely participate - I don’t know abt Sikhs but that’s just my lack of awareness.

Can the role of religion be completely dismissed here. For example, in order for the girl to prove rape aren’t there certain laws re minimum number of witnesses? Isn’t there a realistic possibility that strict interpreters of certain “hadees”(? ) can come up with some technicalities to find her guilty.

Hindus practiced sati. There probably was a religious element to it. Sati Savitri. Now imagine the govt and religion were intertwined and all Hindu widows were made to jump in the pyre

It definitely is worth a discussion if misuse of religion can be totally excluded here.

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I don’t think anyone is excluding it entirely in the context of this case. What most people are saying is that religion is not the sole cause of issues like this, a notion that is often trotted out by the media.

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There is no talk about religion here. So called mullah said it was consensual. Which in this case is irreligious/unislamic.
He did not bring religion as his defense as per this article.

On the other hand, honor killing plan by family was not used under any religious pretext.

So discussion about religion is completely out of context.

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Well sweefs was all over my post when I brought up religion in governance stating she would stop me right here. I was honestly disappointed with that response. For it gives the impression of stifling discussion (even if that may not be her intent).

It certainly looked like folks were getting defensive when I brought up the negatives of intertwining religion with government. I thought quite a few posts came up with hypothesis this has nothing to do with religion.

I entirely agree with you. Religion is not the sole reason. Neither is instability and lack of regulations. It probably is a combination of all 3. We are on the same page.

Yes. I also agree that the media has its own agenda. And wwill try to lump ALL problems into one category. The mirror image of this is folks who get ultra defensive when MISUSE and MISINTERPRETATION of religion is brought up as one of several reasons. For them , no it can never be so. They wouldn’t entertain the possibility.

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Yep, it can’t possibly have anything to do with the fact that jaahil maulvis are going around teaching the wrong implementations of muslim history, mostly when it comes to women.