Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
No problems. I stand by my comments. I will respectfully add that It is not just lack of stability and regulations that is the problem. In this case, after the rape, there is talk of the girl being in danger. Due to some morons interpretation of religion and their idea of what punishment is appropriate for the woman in question for her “actions”. To refuse to acknowledge that MISUSE of religion could be a part of the equation here, to me, is unfortunate. Just connect the dots. And it will be clear.
It is clear there needs to be reform. For otherwise decent folks here advocate violence against one set of people based on religious dictates. That it didn’t and still doesn’t get the attention it deserves is unfortunate.
So to tie the two together is not destructive but constructive. Acknowledgement that religion has issues when dealing with minorities and women is not a step backward.
My position was NOT that a legal scholar would advocate what the mullah did. You appear to have inadvertently misstated my position. It was more abt why this girl’s life is in danger. (I didn’t explicitly state that. It is common sense no one would approve rape of a 10 yr old. It was a red herring when u raised that as a counter point.) What I care abt is what is happening to the girl now. And why. You say it is instability and lack of regulations. I say not entirely. We can agree to disagree.
There is another position of mine that you have misstated. I don’t claim and have NEVER claimed that religion gets in the way of a good, decent and humane world. What i have repeatedly stated is that religion is often misused. Hence separation of religion from governance is a must. Please read my first sentence of the post you quoted. I will appreciate it if my positions are not misstated - twice in this case. The second misstatement was blatant. All you had to do was read the first sentence.
In this case, it is the governance that is the problem. Reasonable people may conclude that misinterpretation of religion does play a role in the decision of the governing body there to ill treat the girl AFTER she was raped. These are facts. Ground realities. It is easy to sweep it under the rug an pretend that intertwining of religion and governance had no role in the post rape ill treatment of this girl.
Anyway, I won’t take this any further. Wanted to clarify my position. I will respectfully decline to respond to other quotes (haven’t read those) and future quotes.
If something happens to that girl, we all bear the burden for not recognizing ground realities and root causes.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
If she is kept alive by her family, I wonder how her life would be if most people around her think like her family does. I hope Allah protects her and gives her the tools to be strong.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Like I said if the central government decided to actually take an action against this crap, these things would not happen. Except in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, central government is afraid of a local uprising from local maulvis vs. local landowners who have engrained these habits into their societies deeply making all kinds of excuses for them.
People wont open their mouths, for fear of reprisal.
It starts with a religious dialogue and broaching these subjects through media, ex. film/television, etc.
And it would help if religious people, as outraged as they get about topics where muslims are suffering at the hands of the west (as if that’s our worst problem), but then they ignore this crap. This is what we need to be discussing. How muslims are doing stupid crap and we are allowing them to get away with it.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
I dont think this act fits in the religious versus non religious debate. In Pakistan most of these acts are carried out by non religious people, and the reaction of people towards the girls (honour killing) is still the same. More to do with culture here as compared to religion.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
It is about religion in the sense that those who are viewed as having religious knowledge and authority, really don’t deserve it. If the clergy were really advocating REAL Islam, then these things wouldn’t be happening. They aren’t. They’re advocating certain twisted interpretations of hadith, etc. You ask this guy about why he did what he did and he’ll pull crap about how Rasullullah (SAW) married Aisha (R) who was pre-pubescent when he chose her, implying it’s ok to lust for an underage girl.
Or they’ll pull the hadith / verses that talk about requiring 4 witnesses to prove zina/adultery, and confusing that with needing 4 witnesses to prove rape. Hence justifying that the girl “wanted it” otherwise, there should be 4 witnesses that come forth confirming it was rape and not consentual sex.
So yeah, it has everything to do with religion, and how it’s perversely interpreted. If we want abuse of underage girls to end, first and foremost we need to address what really happened between Rasulullah (SAW) and Aisha (R).
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
^I quite agree. Sadly though, it is unlikely that the central government will be making any effort to address issues of this sort, particularly in that region, any time soon. Since about 2009-ish, this area (Kunduz) has been plagued by insurgents and the insurgency has become quite entrenched (as they seem to have found much support in this, mostly tribal, region). Unfortunately, addressing that seems to be the central government’s priority (which they’re failing rather miserably at, I might add). @sweefs is spot on in stating that there is a dire need of stability if these issues are to be addressed.
Also, historically, this region has been largely ignored by most previous governments, resulting in the current lawlessness. Added to that is the fact that the, rather inept, current government doesn’t seem to care about what happens outside of Kabul. In April, there was a mudslide in this region, which killed around 2000 people and displaces hundreds, and the response from the government was extremely underwhelming. There were loads of photographs in the media of the villagers, themselves, digging through the rubble because the government response was so miniscule.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
Except hadith’s get used for this crime by maulvis historically. Maybe you should get edumacated before commenting, and btw, quit insulting people. Thanks.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
@diwana I know which case you’re referring to regarding the cutting of the ears and nose of the guilty party. That was another case in the neighbouring province of Baghlan.
“A Mullah Imam of a mosque was arrested in connection to the rape case of a 10-year-old girl in this province. According to local government officials, the Mullah Imam has been arrested and is in custody for further investigation.”
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
No. Not this crime and I was specific about saying the word ‘crime’. No hadith can possibly be used for this ‘crime’ and that is what I said. it is very insulting to refer to any hadith and say any hadith is used for such crimes.
Re: 10-Year-Old Raped by Mullah; Family Considers Killing Her to Restore Their Honor
There is a specific reason why the nose was cut off. There is a saying in Pashto, “to lose your nose,” which is an idiom for being dishonoured. The reason they didn’t cut off other appendages was that the intent was not to kill him (and cutting off the more relevant appendage would have probably killed him), but to leave him alive with a “scarlet letter” of sorts.
