10 tourists assassinated in Fairy Meadows (Gilgit)

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yes true

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Med911 is right.
pakistan is losing the grip on its security.
if the security forces (PA) cannot contain it, it is failing its people...
USA has no long term stake in SEA(south east asia), wereas we do.

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US hasn't managed to bring anything to Afghanistan except death and destruction. they are running from there defeated.

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If the government and army becomes truly determined to eradicate the menace of taliban they can do it as they did in swat. Now molvi fazlullah (fm radio) and muslim khan are history due to army's operation. I have a weird feeling that army or part of it still consider these terrorists their strategic asset. that could be one of the reason for inaction. if my apprehension is right then pakistan is truly playing with fire. in that case, the scenario is not very different from what was prevailing in baghdad in 1258 where authorities were confused, pulling each other's legs and busy in irrelevant stuff when mongol army reached their gates.

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Climbers Recount Murder on Famous Pakistan Peak
Two climbers recount a night of terror as ten mountaineers were killed.

Peter Miller
for National Geographic
Published June 28, 2013

Late last Saturday night, gunmen dressed in paramilitary uniforms entered Base Camp at Nanga Parbat, Pakistan’s second-highest peak, and murdered ten foreign mountaineers and a Pakistani cook. A spokesman for an Islamist militant group later claimed credit for the killings. It was the first time climbers had been targeted in that manner in Pakistan. The victims included three Ukrainians, three Chinese, two Slovaks, a Nepali, a Pakistani, and a Lithuanian named Ernest Marksaitis.

(Related: “Pakistan Attack Casts Light on Troubled Climbing Zones”)

**Sher Khan, a Pakistani climber, **returned to Base Camp at Nanga Parbat at about two o’clock on Saturday afternoon, June 22. He’d been suffering from the effects of high altitude at Camp 1 and wanted to rest. Besides the other mountaineers at Base Camp, many of whom were also sick, there were about a dozen members of the staff, mostly local people. After a cup of light soup, he climbed into his sleeping bag, still not feeling well.

In this interview, he tells National Geographic what happened on the mountain that night.

What was the first sign of trouble?

I woke up suddenly around 9:30 [in the evening]. I heard noises around my tent. What’s going on, I thought. Is somebody fighting or what? I opened my tent flap a little and saw a person carrying a Russian Kalashnikov about 20 meters away. He was wearing a local camouflage uniform.

Then right in front of my tent I saw someone with a terrorist. His name was Ernest, a climber from Lithuania. And he was saying, “I am not American. I am not American.”

From another direction I heard, “Go out. Go out. Go, go.” They were trying to pull the Chinese out from their tents. “Taliban! Al-Qaeda! Surrender!” They were trying to tell the foreigners to surrender.

Then I saw two people coming toward my tent with a huge Kalashnikov and some knives in their hands. I was trying to hide. The muzzle of the gun came inside my tent and one person said, “Go! Go!” I said, “Look, I’m Pakistani. I’m from Hunza. I am Ismaili. Please.”

I tried to recall the Kalima prayer. They said, “Come out!” They were speaking Urdu [spoken in Pakistan] mostly. Then sometimes Pashto [spoken in Afghanistan]. A few words in Shina, the local language. I tried to get out of the tent and they suddenly said, stop! “Do you have money?” I said, yes, I have a little. They said, okay get out the money. So I tried to get back into the tent to get the money, but they kicked my head with their boots and pulled me out of the tent.

They said, ‘We don’t need you to collect the money. Just go.’ They pointed this gun to my head and took me to this line of other people and tied me with a rope. What I saw then was eight or nine people tied with a rope.There some Pakistani people also. Some Ukrainian people. This poor Ernest was also tied. And one Nepali was also tied. And of course, it was my time turn for them to tie me. They put me next to a Ukrainian guy on the far right side.

They took a little time to bring out more people. They went to each and every tent. “Taliban, Al-Qaeda. Surrender.” They were looking for foreign tourists. They pointed a gun at me and a camp cook and said, “We know you can speak English. Ask them who has money in their tents.” They threatened the climbers. “If we find money in your tent that you are hiding, we are going to shoot you.” Everybody was scared. We all said, yes, we have money. The foreigners said, yes, we have Euros. Yes, we have dollars. And one by one they took climbers to their different tents and collected the money.

Then they asked for satellite phones. “Who has Thuraya phones?” The climbers said “yes, we have Thuraya phones, we have walkie-talkies.” Again they took them to the tents and collected the Thuraya phones. But this time they destroyed all the phones and walkie talkies. Some they shot with Kalashnikovs. Some they destroyed with stones. Whatever electronics they found, like laptops, solar panels, they destroyed them with stones and with their feet.

All this time I was begging them, please, we are Muslim, Ismaili from Hunza. We are Pakistanis. Why are you doing this?

Then suddenly one person came to me and said, okay, if you are a Muslim, tell me this, this, and this about morning prayer. But we Ismaili say a different prayer. So I was helpless and kept quiet. Then another person said to the first one, “Don’t you know that these Ismaili people from Hunza don’t offer the same prayer?” So this ugly man went away from my face.

Then somebody said, “Okay, let’s separate these three people from Hunza from the rope.” So they released us, but told us, “Don’t try to look up. Stay on your knees.”

Then one person told the rest of the row, the Ukrainian people, the poor Nepali and the Pakistani guy, Chinese people, to turn their faces in the other direction. So that they could shoot them, you know. But I was thinking, maybe they are not going to shoot them. Maybe they are robbers. They’ve got the money and everything. Maybe they are going to just go away.

But unfortunately, when they started to move them in opposite directions, I was just stunned. I couldn’t see what was going on. I was on my knees, bent down, holding my body.

Then suddenly I heard the sound of shooting. I looked a little up and what I saw was this poor Ukrainian guy, who had been tied with me, I saw him sitting down. Then after that moment, the shooting started in bursts. Three times. Brrrr. Brrrr. Brrrr. Three times like that. Then the leader, this stupid ugly man, said, “Now stop firing. Don’t fire anybody.” Then that son of a ***** came in between the dead bodies and he personally shot them one by one. Dun. Dun. Dun. Every body he shot down. And then afterward we heard slogans, like Allahu Akbar. Salam Zindabad. Osama bin Laden Zindabad. And one stupid person said, “Today these people are revenge for Osama bin Laden.”

Then they were about fifty feet away and gathered for a while. Then they dispersed from that point downward.

Suddenly it was totally quiet. It was a very silent moment. We waited for a little while more, and we rushed to the kitchen where our cook found a knife and our hands were finally freed. I tried to find a radio in my tent. I found two walkie talkies and tried to contact my team mates at Camp 2. I said, please, Camp 2, this is an emergency, can you hear me? But everybody must have been sleeping. I went to each and every tent looking for a Thuraya.

Then my Hunza friends said, look, if they come again, they’re going to kill us. We need to go somewhere safe. So we tried to go toward Camp 1, but we didn’t have the right clothes or shoes because they had pulled us from our sleeping bags. But we were really in terror. So the three of us climbed about 300 meters up the mountain to where we could look down on Base Camp. It was about one o’clock and we found a kind of cave. We tried to hug each other to get a little heat. We stayed there all night. We kept trying to contact Camp 2, but I heard nothing until 7:30 in the morning. I kept my radio on. Suddenly I heard one of my friends, Karim. I told him what had happened, that people had died. I was crying.

Karim contacted Nazir Sabir, a famous climber, who said that the Army was already on the move. They were on the way with helicopters. So don’t move until they land at Base Camp, he said.

**After the gunmen left Base Camp, did anyone check to see if the climbers were all dead?
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At that moment, it was very hard to stay in that place. To get closer to the bodies. It was a really hard moment. But some people, including myself, heard a strange noise from the body of one person. As if he was still alive. Others were completely quiet. One person, he was doing something like snoring. We heard that sound for a little while before we left that camp. But when I asked some local people, staff, who were tied in a tent nearby, they said, you know, we were hearing that snoring sound until maybe two o’clock in the morning. It could be that he was alive. I don’t know.

It sounds just horrible.

You know, to this day, I can’t sleep. It was a week ago. Afterward the Army took me and some of my friends for interrogation. They asked a lot of questions. What kind of people were they? What kind of accent did they have? I answered a lot of questions. Now I can’t sleep. But if I do, I wake up suddenly with any noises. It’s also difficult for me to go into a room. Because I feel like it’s a tent and somebody is going to come get me at gunpoint. It’s very difficult.

Aleksandra Dzik, a young climber from Poland, was also on the mountain that night. But she, like 30 or so other mountaineers, was higher on the peak at Camp 2 when the killings occurred. As leader of the International Nanga Parbat Expedition 2013, Dzik was helping her team of 20 prepare for an ascent of the peak when she heard the news. Ernest was a member of her team.

In this interview, **she tells National Geographic **what she saw and heard on the mountain.

How did you learn of the attack?

It was about 6 in the morning and we heard about it from Karim Hayat, a Pakistani climber who had a tent near us at Camp 2. He’d gotten a call from his climbing partner, Sher Khan, who was at Base Camp. Khan said the Taliban had tied him up and carried him out of his tent and stood him up right next to the people who were shot. But in the end they didn’t shoot him. He was in shock. When he managed to untie his hands, he called Karim and warned him not to come down from Camp 2.

Of course, when we heard what had happened, we tried to get in touch with Ernest, the only member of our team who was still at Base Camp. Ernest had decided to rest for a few days, because he was sick. He had stomach problems. But he didn’t reply. We were hoping maybe he had lost his radio and escaped. Unfortunately, it wasn’t true. Other expeditions were also calling their members at Base Camp, but only getting silence.

We decided to go back down to Base Camp. By the time we arrived, the Army was already there and the bodies had been taken away.

It must have been a shock.

We couldn’t believe it. We are climbers. Every one of us has lost friends in the mountains. But it was always by the power of nature. It’s a game we all play. We accept the risk.

But here the deaths at Base Camp were caused by people. It was just terrible.

Someone said to us, I will show you the place where they were all put together, taken from their tents, and shot dead. There was blood on the grass. It was the most terrible moment. There was also white down, because they had been wearing down suits. And there were shells from the gun.

Before the attack, a Slovakian climber at Camp 2 had also been having stomach problems. So his climbing partner, another Slovakian, and his team leader, a Ukrainian, decided to take him back down to Base Camp. They thought that would be the safest place for a sick person, but in fact they all went to the one place that was the most dangerous, and they were killed there.

That night we were quite afraid. We put several tents together with three or four people in each small tent to be close together.

The next day we were evacuated by Army helicopters to an army base. Then an Army aircraft took us to Islamabad, where our agencies and embassies got us a hotel.

Do you feel safe now in Pakistan?

You know, what can we do? We are quite scared. More anxious than before. When we go out in the city, we are more careful how we dress, how we look.

Before when we came to Pakistan, we got used to the terrorism in this country, where people unfortunately are killed every day. But we always felt that it didn’t concern us, that it was the problem of the Pakistanis and we were guests in their country. We believed that we were untouchable.

Now we do not feel safe on the streets, but we try to behave normally any way. Because it’s the only thing we can do against terrorism. To live normally. Not to give terrorists what they want—to make us hide.

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^ Heart rending story.

Climbing a mountain is such an arduous pursuit that is reserved for the most determined and the most free-spirited amongst us. These special beings were felled by the very worst amongst us - what a contrast! I cannot fathom the extent of brain-washing that must happen to drive these numskulls to commit this kind of savagery.

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Well there is a thin line between actually supporting and tolerating them. What I have understood, firstly the army believes that it cannot face all the militant groups at the same time hence tolerating some of those (like JEM, LEJ and Jundullah) and then there are others who Pakistan still sees as their strategic asset (with respect to the war in Afghanistan). Its a dangerous game and can have devastating consequences after the Afghan war. Doomsday scenario for Pakistan is if all militant groups start attacking Pakistan after US withdrawal. I dont have confidence in the military leadership but I hope they have done their homework based upon the worst case scenario.

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So, because the fight is difficult, we shouldn't fight them at all ! Lets just let them kill as many people as they like, because we could never fight them and win, and so lets beg them to stop... Great logic !

How about we just push them out of the settled parts of NW and into the mountains. We dont need to wipe them out completely, just simply keep them on the move and not allowing them a chance to settle down, plan or train... It would be far harder for them to plan, far harder for them to resupply far harder for them to do anything if they have to worry about being attacked constantly. The fact that they can plan out such huge attacks, and brag to the media about them, shows they have it far to easy in NW.

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Because you dont have a valid point to answer with...

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lol... Yes Paks ENTIRE population is in the Army...

I must have been dozing off when I wrote that.

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How could they isolate and and eliminate these "tribal rag tags" as you call them, when those tribal rag tags are finding sanctuary in pakistan, where the US military is not allowed to operate? At least the drones are capable of doing the job. Your criticism would only be valid if the US military were operating openly in NW... The reason the Taliban have survived is BECAUSE Pakistan has offered them sanctuary.

My nationality aside, there are far more PAKISTANI's who would agree with me, people far more intelligent and knowledgeable of the situation, then with you... Beyond that, its us NRP's that keep this begging bowl of a country from going completely bankrupt, so show some respect. The day Pakistanis dont rely on remitance from us abroad, is the day our opinion no longer matters. Currently, my American income supports far more people and makes their life far more liveable in Pakistan, then your Pakistani nationality ever will. Your lucky you can feed yourself let alone support others. So consider that the next time you cite my "American" nationality as an excuse to belittle my opinion.

I sincerely hope you are NOT a Pakistani because your incessant "peace" overtures towards murderers and fanatics, responsible for killing thousands of your fellow countrymen, diminishes not only them, but also the sacrifice made by hundreds of Pakistani army jawans. As a Pakistani you should be ashamed of yourself. But obviously, you need to soothe your conscience, and so must disguise cowardice by characterizing it as "peaceful."

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At the very least, they should disallow them from using N Waziristan as a safe haven. Its ridiculous that these scum bags can sit and make videos and answer media questions!
Lets force these dogs into the mountains. Take the main towns, dont let them settle down. At the very least, keeping them running will prevent them from planning and recuperating.

I do think there is a small chance they wil do something once the Americans are gone. But depends on how thing shape up in Afghanistan.

The situation we have today is even more pathetic then the one in 1258.. The Mongols we're a force to reckoned with.. The Taliban are just a bunch of thugs who could be cleared up far more easily if only the country weren't so damned confused and leaders sincere.

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LOL.

Is that why you are shamelessly blaming Pakistan for 'protecting; the Taliban? If anyone who should be ashamed is you. It's not just cowardice but downright disgusting and malicious to blame collective failure of NATO forces on Pakistan. How pathetic. Is that what Pakistan get for being forced into a war that that had nothing to do with them nor they ever wished to join?

Instead of worrying about my nationality and showing your usual opposition for peace, how about you answer the simple question. Why USA couldn't defeat the Taliban where they had full authority to operate in whatever way they wanted (and they indeed did)? Aren't Pakistani and Afghan Taliban largely different? So what was stopping them to break off the Afghan network? They did they even suppress the threat or the movement?

What makes you think Pakistani cannot spin the argument and throw back in your face. Last time I checked, the general feeling in Pakistan is that the only reason why they have Taliban in the country is because NATO forces allowed them to creep into Pakistan. NATO forces did zero in Afghanistan to suppress the threat which only ended up spreading into Pakistan. Sounds all valid and close to truth, I'd say. But obviously I don't expect prejudiced and ignorant minds with slavish mentalities to see the point.

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Stating FACTS is not malicious, its honest. Perhaps the FACT that these terrorists find sanctuary in Pakistan's tribal areas is to hard for you to accept. Thats not my problem. You can live in your little fantasy land and leave reality to those who are responsible...

You mentioned my American nationality, i didnt bring it up. Dont try to belittle my opinion with cheap shots, and I will do you the same favor.

I agree the US f'ed up by letting these terrorists escape into Pakistan. But Pakistan didn't do anyone a favor by not cleaning up its side of the border and allowing the Taliban to reorganize and rearm on its side of the border. And currently, the situation is such that Pakistan is under attack, and the people tasked with defending the country are either ignoring the problem or trying to sweep it under the rug with platitudes and "peace" overtures.

I would love for there to be peace. But history has shown the TTP are not sincere, they do not and will not accept the state writ or submit, they negotiate only to gain themselves leverage and momentum to make further inroads. So peace with these people is not an option as it will only embolden them further and make the ultimate task of military intervention that much harder.
Also, i think its deeply disrespectful to the Thousands of innocent Pakistanis that these scum have killed to now forgive all their crimes and negotiate with them. No self respecting nation would ever negotiate with such criminals, responsible for so many atrocities. I dont know how any self respecting Pakistani could ever so shamelessly accept allowing these terrorists to go unpunished.

Opinions amount to sh!t if they arent backed with logical reasoning.
Number one, Pakistan was instrumental in creating the Taliban. Its Pakistan's own indiscretion and hapless interference in Afghani internal affairs that helped create the situation we are in today.
The Taliban allowed Al Qaeda and other terrorists a refuge in Afghanistan, from where they could execute their attacks on the US. The US lost 3000 on 9/11. Did you think they would let that go unpunished? Americans aren't like Pakistanis, you don't murder American citizens en masse and then get rewarded with peace negotiations. you get the boot up where the sun dont shine.
Even if NATO and the US are in Afghanistan and they are the ultimate reason for the Talibans war, that still doesn't excuse the TTP of murdering Pakistanis. I dont care who created this mess, no one has a right to murder innocent Pakistani citizens.

I see your point. Lets have peace at all cost. But consider the precedence your setting. You can kill Pakistanis at will, and you will never get punished. What message does that send to other extremist groups? And how demoralizing and dehumanizing is it to Pakistanis in general?!? Are Pakistani lives so cheap and meaningless that their govt and army would rather negotiate with those murdering their countrymen then seek justice for them? At what point will the govt of Pakistan stand up for her citizens and show them the same honor other nations show their citizens? They murder Shias, govt does nothing, they attack Christians, they attack Ahmadis, they attack Sunnis that they dont agree with, and yet the rulers of this nation do absolutely nothing about any extremist group. Its pathetic. Wanting to punish such people is not war mongering, its demanding justice.

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Thanks thats all I needed. The line stood out and thats what the only thing I read I hope rest of the write up was also worthy of reading.

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I would love for there to be peace. But history has shown the TTP are not sincere, they do not and will not accept the state writ or submit, they negotiate only to gain themselves leverage and momentum to make further inroads. So peace with these people is not an option as it will only embolden them further and make the ultimate task of military intervention that much harder.
Also, i think Pakistan its deeply disrespectful to the Thousands of innocent Pakistanis that these scum have killed to now forgive all their crimes and negotiate with them. No self respecting nation would ever negotiate with such criminals, responsible for so many attrocities. I dont know how any self respecting Pakistani could ever so shamelessly accept allowing these terrorists to go unpunished.
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LOL LOL Is that why those damn yankees rats are negotiating with these criminals? What happened to glorious rhetoric that you do not negotiate with terrorists? Why America still going ahead with shaking head with those scums despite the opposition from the Afghan government and the people? I guess that makes America the most disrespected country in the world eh?

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Oppinion amount to sh!t if they arent backed with logical reasoning.
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Sorry but thats called democracy and having freedom of speech and thought. Looks like Taliban are not the only one who don't recognize these pretty little concepts.

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Number one, Pakistan was instrumental in creating the Taliban. Its Paksitans own indiscretion and hapless interference in

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What? Really? Is that what you were taught in your history class. Thats it? Is that all you know? Your disgustingly distorted view of history reeks of prejudice as well ignorance. Maybe readiong a credible book by a non prejudice author on Soviet-Afghan war might fix your extremely naive take on one of the filthy and complicated conflicts of second half the twentieth century.

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I see your point. Lets have peace at all cost. But consder the precdence your setting. You can kill Pakistanis at will, and you will never get punished. What message does that send to other extremists group? And how demoralizing and dehumaninzing is it to Pakistanis in general?!? Are Pakistani lives so cheap and meaningless that their govt and army would rather negotiate with those murdering their countrymen then seek justice for them?

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No you do not see my point, I know what my point is where I stand. So no need to lie or make things up.

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And how demoralizing and dehumaninzing is it to Pakistanis in general?!? Are Pakistani lives so cheap and meaningless that their govt and army would rather negotiate with those murdering their countrymen then seek justice for them?
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Yeah thats why you go around blaming Pakistan for collective failure of NATO forces on Pakistan. Surely seeing their country turn into a scapegoat for every sh*t in the region is very moralizing and humanizing.

If the idea of peace is indeed so demoralization and dehumanizing, I'm sure the overwhelming majority public would not have voted for PMLN and PTI nor the they would be calling for Mushy's persecution.

So please show some respect to the voice and sentiments of people Pakistan.

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We have discussed the situation to death. The Pakistani Taliban are a different group.. That is the group attacking Pakistan and so that is the group Pakistan should fight.
Yet its no secret that the Afghan Taliban have refuge in the Tribal areas of Pakistan among other militant groups which are committed to fighting in Afghanistan but not Pakistan. The leadership of the Afghan Taliban is also in Pakistan reportedly, along the border. You cant suppress any group if they have safe havens like FATA. This is why the US has been attacking FATA drones. The reason why the TTP is still around is because they to have a safe haven in Pakistan's NW.
And as far as I know, the US isnt even actively pursuing the Taliban in the same capacity that it was at the onset of the war. Their interest is only in keeping the Afghan govt in place and that too, only to the extent that they disallow Afghanistan from becoming a haven for terrorists as it was prior to the invasion. Beyond that, they dont care what happens. America doesnt stand to lose much as long as Afghanistan isnt used as a base for terrorists, be the govt Taliban or Karzai's.
Pakistan on the other hand has much to lose if it fails to gain control of Taliban held territory.

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They voted for PMLN and PTI for lack of options. All the parties are shamelessly calling for peace with terrorists and criminals, so you have to pick someone, might as well be the lesser evils. How do you even know the people voted for the sake of their peace overtures to terrorists and not because they simply want to see a change in the economic environment?

Anyways, your frustration is starting to become obvious... We r done here I think.

This Yankee is going to go grab some naan kebab for dinner (ironically, im even wearing a "Yankee' baseball cap lol)... Have fun not making any sense.

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HAHAHAHA. Is that why US gave them the blessings to open an office in Qatar? I hope we don't see one opening in your local area considering how shameless and pathetic the US government is.

Dude even Fox news don't stoop that low.

What Afghan government are they looking to keep in place? You mean Taliban? Karazi on the record has refused to be part of the negotiations and called it a huge blow and betrayal to people of Afghanistan. By negotiating with Taliban, the yankees have officially set the scene for a deadly civil war in Afghanistan where US as usual will find a way to arm either side (most probably the Taliban!). I'm sure even then, you'd still be blaming Pakistan and Pakistanis.

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The Americans dont want to stay in Afghnistan.

They are fine with the Taliban as long as they dont allow Al Qaeda and other people to use Afghanistan to plan attacks on the US. Its very simple. That is what they are trying to negotiate.

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I guess in that case Pakistan can also come up with its own terms and conditions to negotiate with Taliban.

If Taliban can negotiate with their ultimate enemies, I'm sure they can also be bought to negotiate with a country with whom they'll share territory.

Its also very simple, isn't?