The baloch sirdar Sherbaz Khan Mazari’s political memoir " A journey to disillusionment" is a must read for those interested in the internal politics of Pakistan. After reading this book one can get an idea why Pakistan is into this mess. His journey begins in opposition to the Ayub government and ends along with Zia’s era. His journey is woven from many political events. Along with many other events he also thoroughly describes how ZAB’s lust for power led the country into disintegration.
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The baloch sirdar Sherbaz Khan Mazari's political memoir " A journey to disillusionment" is a must read for those interested in the internal politics of Pakistan. After reading this book one can get an idea why Pakistan is into this mess. His journey begins in opposition to the Ayub government and ends along with Zia's era. His journey is woven from many political events. Along with many other events he also thoroughly describes how ZAB's lust for power led the country into disintegration.
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I dont know who this Sherbaz is and why should Pakistanis trust this guy and not Zulfiqar Bhutto who wrote several great books.. sadly for u.. Pakistani masses believe in Bhutto more than any one in Pakistan..
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I dont know who this Sherbaz is and why should Pakistanis trust this guy and not Zulfiqar Bhutto who wrote several great books.. sadly for u.. Pakistani masses believe in Bhutto more than any one in Pakistan..
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Dont mix Bhutto with Benazir. Benazir is not even 1 percent of what bhutto was. Isnt the difference clear by that not a single PPP worker is ready to come on the street for Benazir and 10s of the workers actually burned themselves for Bhutto? oh and one more thing i dont belive on "this is a party's strategy to keep Benazir out of Pakistan" crap!
You are sticking to your view and I am sticking on what i belive is true so I guess we have to agree on disagree unlike our politicians who dont even agree on disagree :)
degas
it's strange how ppl when not having any reasonable comments to make advise others to read history.
Degas, i reccomend you read some history yorself because Bhutto was hanged because he was convicted of murder. now someone pro Bhutto like you can keep coming up with arguments. you might say that he wasnt given a proper trial or that the army hanged him for no reason, but he was a traitor and it's easy to play with facts and misrepresent history or hide a persons mistakes and wrongdoings but actual analysis at the ground level with an unbiased frame of mind speaks otherwise.
maybe Shahnawaz Bhutto was a good person, but zulfiqar bhutto and his daughter benazir did more harm to Pakistan than good. it doesnt take time for a person to become evil from being good. Nawaz sharif used to be a normal person. look how power changed him.
regarding the creation of pakistan by democracy, i agree. but i dont agree that democracy should be applied here, atleast not now. think reasonably, what have the politically elected leaders ever done!? and ok! if generalas are corrupt too, i have never heard of any general richer than the Bhuttos or Sharifs. ok they were feudals and were from a rich family. but where did they gather more wealth than pakistan? how much land do they have!? and what do they grow on it? gold?
and yes benazir bashing is due to hatred, pakistanis hate her for her selfish motives. if she's so great why doesnt she come back and face the cases against her in court? and i'm anti jamaatiislaami too. ppp and mma are allies against Musharraf. i'm pro musharraf now only because he is pro pakistan. if he ever does things like other democrats of our country, i might become anti musharraf, because i'm actually pro pakistan in the long run, as everyone should be.
and hypocricy is when all else is put aside to put personal motives in the forefront. blame the army all one may want. time is the true judge, there's no use arguing.
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you might say that he wasnt given a proper trial or that the army hanged him for no reason, but he was a traitor ..
** Can u explain how Bhiutto was a traitor and if he was why he wasnt tried for that crime.. if he was traitor then vast majority of Pakistanis are still doing that crime by following him.. just look why even his most political opponents at that time still admire him! 1974-77 was the only period in Pakisytan's history that Pakistan was not under USA influence.. wa scloser to Islamic countries.. was able to unleash as nuclear country.. are those traits of a traitor? **
Nawaz sharif used to be a normal person. look how power changed him
Can u explin how Nawaz Sharif changed? And am still waiting how so called pro Pakistani Musharaf let Nawaz Shrif escape Pakistan whie still under investigation and cases against him.. Is this a trait of being pro Pakistani?
regarding the creation of pakistan by democracy, i agree. but i dont agree that democracy should be applied here, atleast not now.
** democracy is not an end but a process.. some corrupt leaders do no mean that we should let go democracy and start liking boots to rule us.. dictatorship is a curse and admittng its validity is a admittance to sslavery.. sadly dictatorship in Pakistan not only produced vast scale corruption but also crimes against the very population it pledged defend.. vast scale rapes and killings in East Pakistan.. brutal elimination of thousands in rural Sindh, Ojri Camps are few of the grave crimes.. **
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Mad perhaps...but traitors/unpatriotic...definately no!
Politicians like her should be liquidated. Hey Imdad, do you remember the 'Babar' treatment of Karachi? In Sindh, PPP/Bhutto run on a Sindhi nationalist platform, just remember that the next time you visit Karachi, ok?
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I'm no supporter of PPP, believe me, but I don't see how she is any worse then the army. I think kargil was treason, as it killled so many people for what?
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I'm no supporter of PPP, believe me, but I don't see how she is any worse then the army. I think kargil was treason, as it killled so many people for what?
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Imdad, for better or for worse the Army has been a stabilizing force..I would love to see a stable, non-corrupt democracy..but everytime the politicians have the chance they make out like corrupt monkies.
Your right Kargil WAS a treason because that SOB Nawaz Sharif made us pull back. He liewd to everyone by saying he was not "aware" of the operation when we all know he had stooges like that other SOB Ziauddin planted in the military.
BB and NS must be taken out because they are the fountainheads of corruption. PPP/PML has other politicians that should be given a shot. Imdad, if you donr see how see was worse than the army, maybe you should talk to Urdu Speakers in Hyderabad and Interior Sindh. How quickly you all forget..
Haris Zuberi, well said brother. I think Degas is an intelligent person, who is unfortunate tainted by "Idolizing" the Bhutto family. We had a detailed discussion before about ZAB and his evil designs on Pakistan..I presented many articles and proof of ZABs misdeeds but Degas still didn't believe it. You can do a search back to see that thread. The world knows about BB's corruption and yet there are still millions who believe in her lies. BB's political base in Punjab and Sindh must be broken, because the results will be horrendous for Pakistan.
thanks RF,
yeah it's sirprising how ppl are disillusioned. i'll look for that thread, thanks.
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Imdad, for better or for worse the Army has been a stabilizing force..I would love to see a stable, non-corrupt democracy..but everytime the politicians have the chance they make out like corrupt monkies.
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We cannot ignore the fact whenever the army took over the government it systematically destroyed every democratic institution and hence made it virtually impossible for the succeeding governments to run the country. Corruption is not only our problem almost all countries are confronting with it, should every country be taken over by its army. Don't forget almost all problems threatening Pakistan today are the legacy of a military government.
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Your right Kargil WAS a treason because that SOB Nawaz Sharif made us pull back. He liewd to everyone by saying he was not "aware" of the operation when we all know he had stooges like that other SOB Ziauddin planted in the military.
BB and NS must be taken out because they are the fountainheads of corruption. PPP/PML has other politicians that should be given a shot. Imdad, if you donr see how see was worse than the army, maybe you should talk to Urdu Speakers in Hyderabad and Interior Sindh. How quickly you all forget..
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MQM was organised and sponsored by general Zia to counter the PPP in Sindh, without feeling a twinge of guilt thus he was injecting the ethnic Virus into the province. These dictators haven't learned anything from the crisis of east pakistan. The military dictator Zia also sent the helicopter gun-ships to assault the villagers in Sindh, just because they were demanding the restoration of democracy.
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We cannot ignore the fact whenever the army took over the government it systematically destroyed every democratic institution and hence made it virtually impossible for the succeeding governments to run the country. Corruption is not only our problem almost all countries are confronting with it, should every country be taken over by its army. Don't forget almost all problems threatening Pakistan today are the legacy of a military government.
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I agree that the military destroyed democratic institutions of Pakistan, but lets not forget the politicians role in the matter. Please prove how "all" the problems threatening Pakistan are the military's fault?
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MQM was organised and sponsored by general Zia to counter the PPP in Sindh, without feeling a twinge of guilt thus he was injecting the ethnic Virus into the province. These dictators haven't learned anything from the crisis of east pakistan. The military dictator Zia also sent the helicopter gun-ships to assault the villagers in Sindh, just because they were demanding the restoration of democracy. **
The MQM's first support may have come from Zia but he hardly "organized" it like some government unit. The ethnic virus had been a part of the province a long time ago. When the Sindhis protested on the language issue, the quota system and generally outcasting the migrants (no doubt, at first the Sindhis welcomed them). A little note about Zia: he held out a soft spot for migrants as his family had migrated to Pakistan as well...So the politics was there, however personal motivations should not be forgotten either.
What kinda BS are you talking about East Pakistan...Compared to ZAB...Yahya Khan was an ANGEL. He was the only P{kistani head (dictator) to not have ambitions of power, held the fairest elections ever in Pakistan...if that thief ZAB wanted to be the sole PM even at the expense of breaking up the country...dont blame the military for it...it was a political defeat before a military one.
Shawaiz, are you some sorta Sindhi nationalist?? Sure Zia sent over helicopter gunships to Sindh but how conveniently do you forget the city of hyderabad red with urdu speakers blood? You want to talk about respression? Lets talk about ZAB dismissing DEMOCRATICALLY elected governments of NWFP and Baluchistan because they weren't PPP...all this after STEALING the election from Mujib, that political DICTATOR ZAB brutally repressed the Baluchis and denied them their rights..Oh PLEASE, get off your high horse of thinking Politicians are better...they have caused much more instability in the nation. I have the proof, what about you?
I was referring to Zia’s era, can you deny that sectarian violences, Klashnikov culture, jihadi lashkars, religious hypocrisy, over 2 million drug addicts, millions of Afghan refugees aren’t his legacy. It is not my intention here to proof that our politicians are better or worse than military rulers, pakistan’s political class has its own flaws, but the greatest disasters pakistan went through since its independence occured when the military dictators were ruling. It’s believed that politicians are corrupt to the core and the khaki-clads are immuned to this disease although Zia’s associates (generals and their family members) made more money politicians could ever dreamt of, and Zia himself was well aware of corruption but he had had his own priorities.
The military has learned another trick put every blame on the politicans, and a dead politican is best as he cannot defend himself anymore. Every responsibility has been put on ZAB, he alone should bear the responsibility of the disingtegeration of Pakistan in 71, although alongwith ZAB, Yahya Khan and Mujib were two main culprits of the east Pakistan crisis. Please read HCR…
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Shawaiz, are you some sorta Sindhi nationalist?? Sure Zia sent over helicopter gunships to Sindh
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just because I mentioned a crime being committed by a dictator against sindhis doesn't make me a sindhi nationalist...
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Shawaiz, are you some sorta Sindhi nationalist?? Sure Zia sent over helicopter gunships to Sindh
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just because I mentioned a crime being committed by a dictator against sindhis doesn't make me a sindhi nationalist...
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I was referring to Zia’s era, can you deny that sectarian violences, Klashnikov culture, jihadi lashkars, religious hypocrisy, over 2 million drug addicts, millions of Afghan refugees aren’t his legacy. It is not my intention here to proof that our politicians are better or worse than military rulers, pakistan’s political class has its own flaws, but the greatest disasters pakistan went through since its independence occured when the military dictators were ruling. It’s believed that politicians are corrupt to the core and the khaki-clads are immuned to this disease although Zia’s associates (generals and their family members) made more money politicians could ever dreamt of, and Zia himself was well aware of corruption but he had had his own priorities.
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So let me get the crux of your arguement..You say that since one of the worlds’s superpower (USSR) attacked a neighboring country (Afghanistan)..leading to a culture of violence, Islamic radicalization, drug addiction, Afghan refugees…is somehow all Zias fault? Man, I hate to defend dictators but your points are wayy off. True he pushed Islmaization but lets not forget that all the Mujahids and Islamists were gathering in Pakistan, which served as a staging area, to go fight in Afghanistan. So basically your blaming almost all the ills associated with the Soviet invasion on Zia? He may have pushed the fundos but lets face it, at the time many Pakistanis were receptive to it, keeping in light the Afghan situation.
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The military has learned another trick put every blame on the politicans, and a dead politican is best as he cannot defend himself anymore. Every responsibility has been put on ZAB, he alone should bear the responsibility of the disingtegeration of Pakistan in 71, although alongwith ZAB, Yahya Khan and Mujib were two main culprits of the east Pakistan crisis. Please read HCR…or read this article to find out the real story…
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More BS…Mujib WON the election, Yahya Khan CONDUCTED the fair election..It was ZAB the thief who wanted power so bad…enough to not let the true PM of Pakistan Sh. Mujibur Rehman..So do you actually want to live in the LIE of believing ZAB was the legitimate PM??
HCR was done under the leadership of ZAB…After Y. Khan had been kickeds out and Mujib was out of the picture is it any surprise that ZAB was not even mentioned in the report? Y. Khan had nothing to gain from the elections, he was out one way or the other…that left ZAB and Mujib..Considering the PPP was trounced in E.Pakistan and wasn’t even in a position to form a govern, why did ZAB meddle in formation of the government? Only ZAB had to gain from the breakup of Pakistan and no one else. The thief was such a cunning man that he even had Tikka Khan AKA Butcher of Bengal exonerated despite the fact that his atrocities were well documented. Tikka Khan a retired general had become PPP/Bhutto lapdog by the time of the report.
The report only took aim at the military, but what about the political situation? Remember it was the politicians screwing things up first! If you don’t know enough about Cowasjee, please don’t reference his opinion pieces…What he talked about was an editorial, what I am telling you is fact. You look up any history book and find the same info.
Politicians have destabilized the nation on a consistant basis.
What about the Sindhi nationalists (Politicians of Jeay Sindh/PPP-Sindh) crimes committed on Urdu Speakers?? Do you KNOW how Karachi was ruled like a colony under BB? Or how her illustrious father ZAB crushed the Baluchis? Oh right politicians are complete angels..
Zia was harsh on Sindh because of the agitation there for BB, their separatist tendencies in regards to Jeay Sindh and the massacres of Urdu speakers. I don’t think Zia was right but please get off the lie that he did the worst to the Pakistani people…that title exclusively belongs to the politicians including the Bhuttos.
Ofcourse you would be blind to those atrocities right? I mean Baluchis, Urdu Speakers ** deserved ** that kind of treatment? 
Atleast don’t be blind to reality..Politicians have screwed up up on a consistant basis…my solution? liquidate the old and give some new faces a chance, but if they too scfrew up, then lets kill them..straight out, no excuses.
Rajpurfury,
I dont know where u got the notion about Mujeeb becoming PM! Those elections were held not to make anyone PM but to form constitution and then according to that form central government. Without constitution there was no way to transfer power. I certainly acknowledge Bengalis were severly repressed since 1947. Their share in army and bureaucracy was minimal even being a majority in Pakistan. Their frustration against west Pakistan reached its climax under army rule and the brutul crushing of their resistance. Killings and rapes that followed by Pakistani army against their own countrymen fuelled it to new heights. They were more interested in implementing 6 points than anything else.
Now ur blaming Bhutto solely.. but Bhutto had no power at that time over:
-Army: Army almost all from west Pakistan was not willing to give any power to Mujeeb with assurances since Mujeeb was certain to hang all generals after the Begal debacle. As there was no representative fron bengali army so this powerful force was all against Mujeeb inplementing 6 points.
- Bureaucracy: Bengal even didnt had absolute no power in thsi power institution. Even East paksitan was virtually run by officers from west! They could never had dreamt to be ruled now by East Pakistani officers.
Plus the whole West Pakistani population were to worried imagining Awami League ruling them. And believe it or not to this day they are happy that the split actually happened! After so many years the bridge between East and West had become so large that there was absolutely no solution and the only thisng that was waiting was when.
Now look at what happened after elections..
The Awami League declared 3rd January, 1971, as victory day and called a mass rally at the Dhaka Race Course Maidan. It was announced that an oath-taking ceremony would be held in that rally by Awami League members of the newly elected National and Provincial Assemblies.
The oath-taking was conducted by Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. The oath ran as follows:
“In the name of Allah the Merciful and Almighty, in the name of the brave martyrs and fighters who heralded our initial victory by laying down their lives and undergoing the utmost hardship and repression, in the name of the peasants, workers, students, toiling masses and the people of all classes of this country, we the newly elected members of the National and Provincial Assemblies do hereby take oath that we shall devote all our energy to honour the overwhelming support and unstinted confidence the people of this country have reposed in the programme and the leadership of the Awami League in the National General Election.
“That we shall remain whole-heartedly faithful to the people’s mandate on the Six-point and Eleven-point Programmes and that we shall strive to the best of our ability to reflect both in the Constitution and in the day-to-day practice the principles of autonomy based on the Six-point Formula and Eleven-point Programme. **
"That we shall remain absolutely loyal to the aims, objects and programmes of the Awami League and that we undertake to eliminate permanently extreme political, economic and social differences that exist between region and region and between man and man and struggle relentlessly to lay the foundation of a society free from exploitation so that injustices yield place to justice and fair play.
**"That we shall build up a massive resistance movement against any quarters or evil force that may try to thwart our line of action behind which the people have their support and we shall remain ever prepared for an uncompromising struggle for the establishment of right of the common man. May Allah help us in our endeavours. Joy Bangla; Joy Pakistan."
After the end of this extraordinary oath-taking ceremony Sheikh Mujib addressed a mammoth public meeting at the Race Course Maidan.
In his address Mujib said that the future constitution of the country would be framed on the basis of Six-point and Eleven-point Programmes. **In this connection, he further said that the Six-point and Eleven-point Programmes were no longer his or his party's properties. Describing the general election as a referendum he said that the Awami League could not amend it now. None would be able to stop them from framing a constitution on the basis of Six-point Programme, he declared.
He emphatically said that there would be no compromise with those who had exploited Bangladesh for the last 23 years.
**Addressing his workers he said, "You keep your sticks ready but do not use those until I give order. I am a Muslim and not a Christian. If I am hit I will retaliate."
Degas:
Not the same thing again :) Do you want me repost all the articles from that other thread? Lets not turn this into a Bhutto bashing session because you KNOW I can put up the facts. This was originally a discussion regarding how Poiliticians like BB screwed over Pakistan.
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Rajpurfury,
I dont know where u got the notion about Mujeeb becoming PM! Those elections were held not to make anyone PM but to form constitution and then according to that form central government. Without constitution there was no way to transfer power. **
Where do I get the idea of Mujib becoming a PM? I don't know, something called democracy. He had the Parlimentary majority as well as a Simple majority to become PM. Unless that constitution proclaimed ZAB dictator in chief, his chances of becoming PM were non-existant. You can not doubt the fact that in democracy, majority wins...espicially when the elections were perhaps the most fairest in Pakistans history.
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I certainly acknowledge Bengalis were severly repressed since 1947. Their share in army and bureaucracy was minimal even being a majority in Pakistan. Their frustration against west Pakistan reached its climax under army rule and the brutul crushing of their resistance. Killings and rapes that followed by Pakistani army against their own countrymen fuelled it to new heights. They were more interested in implementing 6 points than anything else.
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Lies! Killings or Rapes?? those did NOT occur before 1970. Yes, yes I know all about the Bengali resentments etc., but to blame them on the army is ridiculous. All of Pakistan (including the army obviously) was opposed to the E.Pakistani dominance, you talk like the army is some type of institution that doesn't reflect the Pakistani mindset. Btw, what about the "Butcher of Bengal" AKA Tikka Khan? I am sure he's a great momin in your eyes because he was ZABs lapdog.
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Now ur blaming Bhutto solely.. but Bhutto had no power at that time over:
-Army: Army almost all from west Pakistan was not willing to give any power to Mujeeb with assurances since Mujeeb was certain to hang all generals after the Begal debacle. As there was no representative fron bengali army so this powerful force was all against Mujeeb inplementing 6 points.
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Not true. If that was the case, Y.Khan couldve easily rigged the elections like Ayub Khan did to defeat Fatima Jinnah. This isn't a gifted conclusion, any simpleton can understand that if you don't want the E.Pakistanis in power, you rig the elections BEFORE things get out of control. Y.Khan wanted to tranfer the power plain and simple.
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- Bureaucracy: Bengal even didnt had absolute no power in thsi power institution. Even East paksitan was virtually run by officers from west! They could never had dreamt to be ruled now by East Pakistani officers.
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So? The Bengalis had one power that could excercise-- the power to vote. Too bad ZAB the thief couldn't stand the fact that he would not be the PM, would play the diminished role of the opposition. Bengalis were angered and they displayed it at the polling booth...ZAB capitalized on W.Pakistani fears..ohh sorry correction, Sindhi and Punjabi ffears as the Baluch/Pashtuns were amiable to the 6 points, to manipluate the situation.
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Plus the whole West Pakistani population were to worried imagining Awami League ruling them. And believe it or not to this day they are happy that the split actually happened! After so many years the bridge between East and West had become so large that there was absolutely no solution and the only thisng that was waiting was when.
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^ That is the saddest statement I have read.
What kind of Pakistani are you? No solution? Pakistan resolution was moved by the Lion of Bengal Haq. They were the only province that was solidly pro-Pakistani during the movement and you come here telling me that the split was a good thing and there was no solution? I knew you gave ZAB G-dlike status but to sink to the level of calling the saddest event of Pakistani history a good thing is simply unacceptable. What's next? Will you let NWFP and Baluchistan leave Pakistan as well so your BB becomes PM again?
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Now look at what happened after elections..
The Awami League declared 3rd January, 1971, as victory day and called a mass rally at the Dhaka Race Course Maidan. It was announced that an oath-taking ceremony would be held in that rally by Awami League members of the newly elected National and Provincial Assemblies.
The oath-taking was conducted by Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. The oath ran as follows:
“In the name of Allah the Merciful and Almighty, in the name of the brave martyrs and fighters who heralded our initial victory by laying down their lives and undergoing the utmost hardship and repression, in the name of the peasants, workers, students, toiling masses and the people of all classes of this country, we the newly elected members of the National and Provincial Assemblies do hereby take oath that we shall devote all our energy to honour the overwhelming support and unstinted confidence the people of this country have reposed in the programme and the leadership of the Awami League in the National General Election.
“That we shall remain whole-heartedly faithful to the people’s mandate on the Six-point and Eleven-point Programmes and that we shall strive to the best of our ability to reflect both in the Constitution and in the day-to-day practice the principles of autonomy based on the Six-point Formula and Eleven-point Programme. **
"That we shall remain absolutely loyal to the aims, objects and programmes of the Awami League and that we undertake to eliminate permanently extreme political, economic and social differences that exist between region and region and between man and man and struggle relentlessly to lay the foundation of a society free from exploitation so that injustices yield place to justice and fair play.
**"That we shall build up a massive resistance movement against any quarters or evil force that may try to thwart our line of action behind which the people have their support and we shall remain ever prepared for an uncompromising struggle for the establishment of right of the common man. May Allah help us in our endeavours. Joy Bangla; Joy Pakistan."
After the end of this extraordinary oath-taking ceremony Sheikh Mujib addressed a mammoth public meeting at the Race Course Maidan.
In his address Mujib said that the future constitution of the country would be framed on the basis of Six-point and Eleven-point Programmes. **In this connection, he further said that the Six-point and Eleven-point Programmes were no longer his or his party's properties. Describing the general election as a referendum he said that the Awami League could not amend it now. None would be able to stop them from framing a constitution on the basis of Six-point Programme, he declared.
He emphatically said that there would be no compromise with those who had exploited Bangladesh for the last 23 years.
**Addressing his workers he said, "You keep your sticks ready but do not use those until I give order. I am a Muslim and not a Christian. If I am hit I will retaliate."
Very nice..So you hate the military and dictatorship fine, I truly respect that. However when you bring up articles like that, I ask you as a "democrat": Does Mujib have the mandate of the people? Was he chosen based upon a certain Awami League Platform? The answer is clearly YES, so why are you complaining that he said those things? I mean are you shocked at the fact that ZABs PPP was battered in E.Pakistan, NWFP & Baluchistan or is that you speak about democracy when it suits you, meaning that one of the Bhuttos can come into power?
Btw, even up till that speech see "Joy Bangla, Joy Pakistan" not "Joy Bangladesh"...Something to think about.
Do you want me to present any articles or proof to back me up? I can do it if you want, I have many sources. Please don't be a hypocrite and say that democracy is a great thing but reject democracy when you don't like the winner.
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Degas:
Not the same thing again :) Do you want me repost all the articles from that other thread? Lets not turn this into a Bhutto bashing session because you KNOW I can put up the facts. This was originally a discussion regarding how Poiliticians like BB screwed over Pakistan.
Btw, even up till that speech see "Joy Bangla, Joy Pakistan" not "Joy Bangladesh"...Something to think about.
Do you want me to present any articles or proof to back me up? I can do it if you want, I have many sources. Please don't be a hypocrite and say that democracy is a great thing but reject democracy when you don't like the winner.
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A very good and correct analysis. Let me also add that the whole situation deteriorated when Bhutto refused to go to attend the Assembly Session.
A Journey to Disillusionment By Sherbaz Khan Mazari
On the morning of 23 February Admiral Ahsan called Farman Ali for a meeting. He stated:
*"General Yakub Khan [Martial Law Adminstrator of East Pakistan] was sitting there with Admiral Ahsan. It looked as if they had not slept the whole night. They told me that the National Assembly session had been postponed. I told them that this would now lead to major agitation and army action was bound to follow. Both the seniors agreed with him. Admiral Ahsan then decided to write an urgent hand written note to the President warning him that this action would eventually lead to the Indians becoming directly involved in East Pakistan. Upon receiving the note Yahya Khan immediately summoned Ahsan. The President informed Ahsan that he agreed with the views expressed in his note. Yahya Khan then told Ahsan to meet with Bhutto and try and convince him to turn up at Dacca. 77 (Rao Farman Ali, Takbeer, 11 January 1996, pp. 26-31) " *
Admiral Ahsan and General Yakub Khan visited Karachi on a desperate mission to persuade Bhutto to change his mind and attend Dacca Assembly meeting. It had been reported that Yahya Khan went as far as to offer a solemn promise that if the Awami League attempted to unilaterally impose the Constitution, the President would immediately prorogue the Assembly. 78Syed Humayun, Sheikh Mujib’s 6- Point Formula, op. cit., p.
And recollect his famous words:-
"Agar koi whan gaya tho mein uske tangain thor doonga" and "Idhar Hum-Udhar Thum"
Well said bro. I also read Sardar Mazari’s excellent book, but I know that Degas and the other ZAB lovers wiull discredit Mazari, So I’m going to present some more facts from different sources.
ZAB was a power hungry man, no doubt the daughter has acquired the same hunger. Since Degas is gearing up to defend ZAB..let me take the preemptive strike and put up some articles from the past:
On the Elections:
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The PPP won 88 out of 310 while the Awami league doubled that by winning 167 seats. The government, prime Ministership was theirs. To see the election results: http://www.storyofpakistan.com/cont...artid=C028&Pg=7
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On 1971:
Source: http://sahmed.sixbit.org/1971/media...M_71-05-02.html
Mr. Bhutto, a smooth, nimble-witted, ambitious lawyer
and wealthy landowner, formerly foreign minister in the
“guided democracy” regime of Field Marshal Ayub Khan
that preceded the Yahya Government and a long-time
friend and drinking crony of the President charged the
Awami League program would lead to the disintegration of
Pakistan. He insisted that he and Sheikh Mujib should
agree on basic points for a constitution and other
arrangements for sharing power acceptable to both before
the Assembly met.
Four days before the scheduled Assembly session he said
that the meeting should be postponed to allow for these
prior agreements, or else the 120-day time limit set for
adopting a constitution should be lifted to permit
prolonged, indefinite consideration of constitutional
issues. If his demands were not agreed to, he threatened
to call for strikes and large-scale civil disobedience
in West Pakistan.
President Yahya Khan’s indefinite postponement order in
effect bowed to Mr. Bhutto’s demands. To nationalistic
East Bengalis it looked like a blockage, dictated
indirectly by Mr. Bhutto, of their hopes for the
national system and the autonomy that their majority
votes would automatically have given them if the
Assembly had met on schedule.
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ZAB screwed over Pakistan in 1971. The sad thing is that many people in Pakistan are still brainwashed by the Bhuttos. I hope that one day we break this damn cycle of corruption and power grabbing. Oh yes, ZAB the so-called “Democrat” was also the CMLA administrator after the debacle of '71…So much for democratic principles :rolleyes: