Re: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him
Before this thread goes out of hand.
Let's pray for the maghfirat for his soul.
Let's not make an idol out of him,
Let's not use his name to malign other leaders.
Afterall it is all history now.
Re: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him
See a report.
Before this thread goes out of hand.
Let's pray for the maghfirat for his soul.
Let's not make an idol out of him,
Let's not use his name to malign other leaders.
Afterall it is all history now.
doesn't matter.. he was not Asghar Khan.. or taliban khan... who will be forgotten !
doesn't matter.. he was not Asghar Khan.. or taliban khan... who will be forgotten !
Why someone would compare him with Asghar khan or Talibots?
We should just pray for his maghfirat.
And
we should not use his name to create more hatred in Pak where we have plenty of it already.
That's all!
peace.
Country's dont brakeup just because of one speech, if you believe that you can believe anything. We have got one Taliban loving politician now a days who while being totally westernised is the biggest apologist for the Talibans. He has not been able to break up Pakistan. Think who was in power at that time, the military and it was them who refused to give power to mujib. Why didnt Yahya just hand over power to Mujib and ask the new Parliament to solve the differences?
Zia's time was the most stable (If you want to call i that) because it was the most brutal and no one could say anything against him and people were afraid. It was not stability it was fear. Remember the guy lost Siachen to India and no one dare mention it in the press, some stability some freedom. It was the worst period in the history of Pakistan.
sorry do not agree. Yes we saw a lot of floggings etc. during the first 1-2 years but thereafter it was no different to what it is today.
Just look at PTV (again repeating myself) during Zia's time. PTV even though it was state-controlled (as it was until 2005/6) was the best in our history with enlightened programmes like 'Fifty Fifty', Show Time, ankahi, tanhaiyan, Nazia-Zoheb etc...A real islamist w'd not have allowed such programs on Television! As I mentioned it was nothing but a hoax
My father hated Zia like anything but he now reluctantly admits that he was not as bad as we thought he was back then. I reminded him the other day of just how much he hated Zia back then and he simply laughed
As for 1971, it was a defeated and bruised army and therefore not in a position to dictate terms. If Bhutto had sensibly handed over power to the rightfully elected PM Mujeeb, East Pakistan w'd still be a part of Pakistan. So major blame for partition of 1971 in my view lies with Bhutto
Re: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him
Naa tera Pakistan ha . . . Naa meera Pakistan ha . . .
Yaa Uss ka Pakistan ha . . . Jo Saddar'a Pakistan ha . . .
Today we have PPP in government so bhutto is our quaid . . . tomorrow PML will be in government and Zia will be our quaid . . . Fact is that only Muhammad Ali Jinnah is noncontroversial leader we have . Everyone else is/was a shady character . Now we should forget the past and so called leaders and think about tomorrow .
sorry do not agree. Yes we saw a lot of floggings etc. during the first 1-2 years but thereafter it was no different to what it is today.
Just look at PTV (again repeating myself) during Zia's time. PTV even though it was state-controlled (as it was until 2005/6) was the best in our history with enlightened programmes like 'Fifty Fifty', Show Time, ankahi, tanhaiyan, Nazia-Zoheb etc...A real islamist w'd not have allowed such programs on Television! As I mentioned it was nothing but a hoax
My father hated Zia like anything but he now reluctantly admits that he was not as bad as we thought he was back then. I reminded him the other day of just how much he hated Zia back then and he simply laughed
As for 1971, it was a defeated and bruised army and therefore not in a position to dictate terms. If Bhutto had sensibly handed over power to the rightfully elected PM Mujeeb, East Pakistan w'd still be a part of Pakistan. So major blame for partition of 1971 in my view lies with Bhutto
Sorry you are wrong, the whole 11 years of Zia were a nightmare for the people of Pakistan and as a nation we are still paying for his pathetic and shallow policies or lack of them. The guy divided the whole nation and created MQM to counter PPP and dont know whether you read G M Syed's last interview before he died. He was asked why did Zia give him the visa to go to to India and he said he asked zia the same question and the SOB replied because you were anti Bhutto. That was about his level. What the PTV plays had to do with Zia I am not aware. If the press had been free like it is now he would have met the fate same as Musharraf much earlier in his misrule.
The army was defeated after the blunder they made of not handing the power to Mujib and not before, so the blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the army and its incompetent generals and not Bhutto. So what demoralising effect are you talking about. It was the sole responsibility of Yahya and his drink buddies to hand over the power to the winner which they failed miserably to do so.
Naa tera Pakistan ha . . . Naa meera Pakistan ha . . . Yaa Uss ka Pakistan ha . . . Jo Saddar'a Pakistan ha . . .
Today we have PPP in government so bhutto is our quaid . . . tomorrow PML will be in government and Zia will be our quaid . . . Fact is that only Muhammad Ali Jinnah is noncontroversial leader we have . Everyone else is/was a shady character . Now we should forget the past and so called leaders and think about tomorrow .
naa. . not even Jinnah was noncontroversial.. ask Maduudi ..or JUI.....
as far the quaid thing concern .. i am not a pipliya.. but in my travels around the world... three things which people from across the board knows about Pakistan is: Bhutto (zulfi + bibi) & Nusrat Fateh Ali.. nothing else !
Sorry you are wrong, the whole 11 years of Zia were a nightmare for the people of Pakistan and as a nation we are still paying for his pathetic and shallow policies or lack of them. The guy divided the whole nation and created MQM to counter PPP and dont know whether you read G M Syed's last interview before he died. He was asked why did Zia give him the visa to go to to India and he said he asked zia the same question and the SOB replied because you were anti Bhutto. That was about his level. What the PTV plays had to do with Zia I am not aware. If the press had been free like it is now he would have met the fate same as Musharraf much earlier in his misrule.
The army was defeated after the blunder they made of not handing the power to Mujib and not before, so the blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the army and its incompetent generals and not Bhutto. So what demoralising effect are you talking about. It was the sole responsibility of Yahya and his drink buddies to hand over the power to the winner which they failed miserably to do so.
Ok let's agree to disagree. The point is real islamists such as Khomeini or Mullah Omer w'd have banned all entertainment on TV (and they did!). I actually do not admire anyone apart from Jinnah (wish he had lived another 3-4 years after independence, he would have given us a system of governance, constitution etc.) and Liaqat Ali Khan. I salute those two leaders for their honesty, sincerity and integrity and have the utmost respect for them
Re: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him
^ the scum of earth Zia did the same .. he ban everything from top to down.. which is against his ideology just like.. other suckers like Mullah omar.. (thank you for comparing) ..
we had PTV and then STN.. both were censored to the level...... yes that level !
naa. . not even Jinnah was noncontroversial.. ask Maduudi ..or JUI.....
as far the quaid thing concern .. i am not a pipliya.. but in my travels around the world... three things which people from across the board knows about Pakistan is: Bhutto (zulfi + bibi) & Nusrat Fateh Ali.. nothing else !
That is just gross oversimplification
Don't know what planet you are living on but everyone knows about Jinnah, Zia and Musharraf too. Hollywood even made a film on Jinnah!
One of my tutors in England (1995) remarked, " Zia, well he was a ghastly fellow!"
And I just nodded my head YES...
Though because of the nalaiqi of our own people and media, people do not know as much about Jinnah as they do about Mahatma Gandhi!
Re: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him
^ that's what i am trying to tell you..the scum zia.. was the best thing happened to world before homosexuality !
.. he ban everything from top to down.. which is against his ideology just like..!
Actually the rot in Pakistan was started by Mullah mawdoodi and his Nazi campaign of 1952.
Gen. Ayub was brave enough to stare the Mullahs down.
However Zulfi Bhutto was no match for Mullahs, and thus he succumbed to the Islamists terror and banned aka declared Ahmadis as Kafirs.
I mean who on earth would ever declare another person kafir? Only Mullahs do.
This was common in the time of medieval Christians when padris declared everyone who disagreed with them as Kafir.
Pagans used to do the same.
And who followed the golden tradition of medieval Christians and pagans and destroyed Pakistan's religious harmony? The PRIME MINISTER Zulfi Bhutto.
But as I requested earlier.
Let's pray for the maghfirat of Zulfi, Zia, Ayub, Yahya, Mujib, Iskandar, Suhrawardy, Nazim, Liaqat, and Jinnah (plus anyone whom I may have missed).
They had their time, and they did good or bad. But they are gone now.
We must learn a quick lesson and move on. And change our future and plan our future.
This backward looking hate and religiosity will keep us trapped in the cycle of Jahiliya, and poverty, and orthodoxy.
Re: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him
Wait since when is Zardari a Bhutto or did the convicted criminal also steal his wife's name?
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Considering Ahmadis do not believe in the very basic belief of Islam ie the finality of the Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him, then there is nothig wrong with them being declared Kafiir.
It is one of the few things ZAB ddi right!
Like I said we are so hopeless all we got is scumbags and we keep trying to figure out which one is the better ones.
Well said! Pakistani s are SO BLIND as a nation nearly everyone ends up GLORIFYING a dead or living scumbag be it Zia, ZAB, Benazeer, Nawaz, Fazal Rehman, Altaf Hussain, Musharaf - these are one of the few names which deserve to be humiliated for there CONSTANT LYING and DECEPTION and STEALING.
How can any one glorify a low life like ZAB - a man whose a huge part of the fact that Pakistan REMAINS a backward country.
If you idolise power hungry, unjust, corrupt tyrants then only YOU can idolise that ZAB. I dont mean you as in JimmyKimble but you as in the people who glorify that tyrant.
Re: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him
The best leader we ever had 
A true legend whose inspires millions decades later
Re: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him
Great.
I remember him, I saw him many times. I have passed a day with him in 1970.
He was never afraid of the forces against him, He and his daughter both were never afraid. I read yesterday in ‘The News’ that Benazir was awoken on the day of HER assassination at 2 AM by Gen Nadeem Taj than chief of ISI who asked her to not to go to Liaqat Bagh but brave daughter of brave father ruled out his advise
Aur
Re: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him
And two of the family still alive .One is Sanam who is away from politics and second.
Aik Badnaseeb Khatoon jo apnay Namwar Shohar aur do(2) Jawan Betay Kho chukkee thi-
And no one know that she knew about death of her daughter or not.
She is in a coma like position. She should be…
After all she was a human
**Bhutto