I’m wondering if someone can help me out here. From what i’ve learned about repentance and the mercy of Allah :swt: , Zina can be forigven if it is with pure intentions. In fact, even the most horrific of crimes can be forgiven if someone is truly sorry for it (only the sinner wud know for sure), with the only exception being intentional shirk, from what I know.. Now, i’m having an argument with someone and they’re telling me that Zinnah is such a crime that it cannot be forgiven. Zinnah of hte eyes, the mind, the ears, hands, feet, etc can be forgiven, but not zinnah of hte private parts. Is there any truth to this? Can anyone provide me with some good, reliable references? thanks.
Sara516
My understanding of the situation is as follows
The Prophet (PBUH) said, “The one who repents from sin is like the one who never sinned.”
But to repent one has to
Genuinely hate from the sin committed (in this case zina)
Be sorry for having committed the sin
Be committed to never return to that sin
It is recommended to seek forgiveness a lot, and to repent every time the sin comes to one's mind .
If someon does a certain sin because of the company they keep, then they shouldn't really be with them or they should change the nature of their relationship with them .
Hope this helps.
there is a hadith, but i hope u can dig it out urself and save me the hard work....
goes something like this: a man came to the prophet (saw) and admitted being guilty of zina, he named the woman too, so he was stoned....
the woman was asked and she admitted too and was ready for punishment....
she was, however, pregnant, so her punishment was posponded till delivery....
after delivery she came back to take her punishment (stoning) but the prophet (saw) told her to finish the two years of breastfeeding the baby....
so she did that and came back to take her punishment, and she was stoned to death as per Islamic shariah (hadith rejectos can stay out of the thread instead of coming up with the same pointless arguments over and over again - thankyou)....
some ppl said something bad about her, to which the prophet (saw) showed disliking....
and said that her repentance is such that if it were distributed among all the people of madinah, it was sufficient to have them all forgiven from whatever sins they have committed....
About 12 years ago I once heard a local community Islamic leader give a lecture in which he stated that sex outside of marriage will never be forgiven, along with murder and corrupting Islam.
More recently, I looked for opinions from other Islamic scholars on repentence and they suggested that anything can be forgiven if the repentance is genuine - and they said so while talking about zina.
It may just be yet another of these fiqh differences or something, I don't know......
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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
that sex outside of marriage will never be forgiven, along with murder and corrupting Islam.
It may just be yet another of these fiqh differences or something, I don't know......
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I heard that the there are very few things that CANNOT be forgiven the only one that comes to mind is committing shirk (ie associating partners to Allah).
I also heard that the martyr will have all his sins forgive except if he owes a debt.
I may be wrong though.
What if you commit Zina and then marry the woman? Obviously after the woman divorces the former husband.
Hi!
So it means ----what to say????? In -------???how can we forget that Zinna is not a small sin, after it has been declared by prophet mohammed(Pbuh) to be among the big sins. I can ------ some people by saying the truth in this way. Before islam who were Zannis and sharabies prophet mohammed had given them this KHOUSH KHABRI that if they repent with heart and never commit these sins GOD is all knowing most merciful, would forgive them.
But after it is announced to be among the biggest sins. It is unforgiven- able sin. Since in committing this sin. It has multiple steps; if a person is innocently involving in this sin would automatically stop at any stage of this sin. If he is muslim and has KHOUFE KHUDA being muslim.
But if some one has passed all the steps where he had chances to refrain from this sin; and did it??? I do not think where is the chance left??? for forgiveness. Married people know it; it is not so easy to commit it. One step sin.
It is like drinking sharab. Either you buy; for this you arrange or pick money' you pay money' you pick bottle , you bring home' and then you do arrangement to drink.
or go to some mahfil where there it is---
so You get enough time to refrain from a bad deed. But still, if you did it , you are really among the bad ones. Yes you can ask for forgiveness ; but who knows???we are not GOd or prophets??? commiting mistake knowingly and hoping for forgiveness; it is strange???really strange theory????
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*Originally posted by sokoon: *
Hi!
So it means ----what to say????? In -------???how can we forget that Zinna is not a small sin, after it has been declared by prophet mohammed(Pbuh) to be among the big sins. I can ------ some people by saying the truth in this way. Before islam who were Zannis and sharabies prophet mohammed had given them this KHOUSH KHABRI that if they repent with heart and never commit these sins GOD is all knowing most merciful, would forgive them.
But after it is announced to be among the biggest sins. It is unforgiven- able sin. Since in committing this sin. It has multiple steps; if a person is innocently involving in this sin would automatically stop at any stage of this sin. If he is muslim and has KHOUFE KHUDA being muslim.
But if some one has passed all the steps where he had chances to refrain from this sin; and did it??? I do not think where is the chance left??? for forgiveness. Married people know it; it is not so easy to commit it. One step sin.
It is like drinking sharab. Either you buy; for this you arrange or pick money' you pay money' you pick bottle , you bring home' and then you do arrangement to drink.
or go to some mahfil where there it is---
so You get enough time to refrain from a bad deed. But still, if you did it , you are really among the bad ones. Yes you can ask for forgiveness ; but who knows???we are not GOd or prophets??? commiting mistake knowingly and hoping for forgiveness; it is strange???really strange theory????
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Sokoon reading ur posts are anything but sokoon. Please read my original question. I asked for a real answer, facts, that can back up my reasoning, not personal opinion.
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
there is a hadith, but i hope u can dig it out urself and save me the hard work....
goes something like this: a man came to the prophet (saw) and admitted being guilty of zina, he named the woman too, so he was stoned..the woman was asked and she admitted too and was ready for punishment....she was, however, pregnant, so her punishment was posponded till delivery....after delivery she came back to take her punishment (stoning) but the prophet (saw) told her to finish the two years of breastfeeding the baby....
so she did that and came back to take her punishment, and she was stoned to death as per Islamic shariah
some ppl said something bad about her, to which the prophet (saw) showed disliking and said that her repentance is such that if it were distributed among all the people of madinah, it was sufficient to have them all forgiven from whatever sins they have committed....
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Yeah, I've read that same hadith. But why did the man give up her name too? Why shouldn't he have let her decide if she wanted to repent as well or not? And I thought that if you repent for something no one is supposed to even know of the sin? You know, covering your sins and all....
I used to think it was so simple..just one Islam..but then i started learnin bout different sects…shias, ahmadis, sunnis, ismaeelis watever…different schools of thoughts, different rulings by scholars…how is a person supposed to figure things out? even quran i’veheard , is not for a simple person to read…i always figured it this way…Allah :swt: is merciful and loving to the followers, to those who even though they’ve sinned are truly sorry in their hearts for straying. and if that’s true then what’s the point of even being able to repent for a mistake someone made ??
4:48
*Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. *
which simply means that shirk will not be forigven and anything beside that can be forgiven if Allah wills....
shirk is forgiven by repentance....
other sins may be forgiven by Allah if He wishes to do so even if one had not actually stopped from them....
wait, how can shirk not be forgiven and then forgiven??? 
Armughal, what was the punishment for the man involved in zina?
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Armughal, what was the punishment for the man involved in zina?
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if he married and do this
** to us ko sangsar karr deeynaye ka hukum hia**
or if he unmarried
the *90 kooraes *
Re: Zinna and Repentance
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*Originally posted by Sara516: *
Now, i'm having an argument with someone and they're telling me that Zinnah is such a crime that it cannot be forgiven. Zinnah of hte eyes, the mind, the ears, hands, feet, etc can be forgiven, but not zinnah of hte private parts. Is there any truth to this? Can anyone provide me with some good, reliable references? thanks.
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saachye dil say ALLAH say TOBBAH aor astag faar kareen aor ALAH say Rahem maange INSHALAh WO maaf faarmanyee walla MAHARBEEN haan................
Wait here and let me get the things straight for you ! . 
Shirk can not be forgiven, if one dies commiting. period
(while he repents, he is not commiting it anymore. He is free of sin. Like most of people at the time of Prophet were " Mushrik" and they became muslim so all past sin were forgiven)
** Zina is of two types :**
- Zina bil Jabar (rape)
- I forgot the name.
(consensual sex between un-married partners)
Now, The first one. is an offense punishabe to death for offender in islam. If he repents, **he can not be forgiven by allah Until and unless the victim forgive him. **.
The same is true for all offense regarding Haqooq-ul-Ibaad (people’s right). killing human(not just muslim), Back biting, breaking up with relatives, treating neihbours badly insulting humiliating people and many more.
^ these are crimes against people. Allah will not forgive any of them until the victim forgive the offender.
ALL sins can be forgiven so long as the conditions for repentance are met...
"Say: O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Qur'an 39:53)
Re: Zinna and Repentance
What happens if you struggle on the first condition? I’d really like someone’s help on this one please, thanks.
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Re: Zinna and Repentance
i thought i answered this already…
anyway, what i meant is that if one dies in a state that he had no repentance for committing shirk, he wont be forgiven…
but if during his life, he did repent, he will be forgiven…
otherwise converts wont ever find the religion attractive…
however, other sins, other than shirk, may be forgiven by Allah if He wishes to do so…
so a person might have still been committing adultery and died doing so, but some other good deed of his may invoke Allah’s mercy and his sin of adultery may be forgiven…