What a shame that countries are calling on for a boycott of world cup matches in zimbabwe. Pakistan was there for a month and played a perfectly safe series there. Teams not willing 2 go there shd not just lose points but also be suspended.
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What a shame that countries are calling on for a boycott of world cup matches in zimbabwe. Pakistan was there for a month and played a perfectly safe series there. Teams not willing 2 go there shd not just lose points but also be suspended.
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Though I agree that Bycot would be Shame but reason given by you is not correct.Boycot being contemplated by some countries are not because of safety but because of Supression of emocracy by Mogabe.
But even then AQ, politics shdn't be mixed with sports. The visiting team shdn't worry about the policies or nature of the host gov. They're just there to play. Imagine a team dosn't visit pakistan because it has a military ruler as the prez!
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But even then AQ, politics shdn't be mixed with sports. The visiting team shdn't worry about the policies or nature of the host gov. They're just there to play. Imagine a team dosn't visit pakistan because it has a military ruler as the prez!
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I then assume that you were against sport sanctions against South Africa, even if it did helped in defeating Apartheid?
Unfortunately sport is a tool (same as finances, etc.) by which governments fight their cold wars.
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But even then AQ, politics shdn't be mixed with sports. The visiting team shdn't worry about the policies or nature of the host gov. They're just there to play. Imagine a team dosn't visit pakistan because it has a military ruler as the prez!
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akpower
My answer would be same as that of Oldman. :)
Any pressure needed to bring justice is fine.Sports being one of tool.
by the way why pakistan doenst play with Israel??
Does this mean, Zimbabwe will win the World Cup!?? 
If you look at it this way, all the teams in the group boycotting, gives Zimbabwe the most points. Then they can still reach the semi’s with only a win, or if some lower end teams lose out badly.
Remember the Second round matches are not played in Zimbabwe. (So no boycott there).
Zimbabwe will reach a road to the semi’s, possibly causing a upset and reaching the finals? woah..
It is pure hypocrisy on part of England and Aus. If they are that worried by lack of democracy in Zimbabwe than they should cut all other ties. All big UK companies are doing business in Zimbabwe and so are Aussie companies. Why do business and not play circket?
man it's so simple... coz CRICKET doesn't bring in the same amount of money as all the ENG and AUS companies do .... that's the way politics run now adays ....
IRAQ is sanctioned by UN and the very same nations who are pressing to hold and apply further sanctions, are doing business with 'em in different sector .....
(it's maybe a harsh view but it's my opinion) It's like in the old days with the EAST INDIA COMPANY ..... maybe slightly different methodes with the same target in mind .....
CONVICTIONS are a greater threat to the TRUTH than LIES
We dont have ANY KIND of relationship with Israel on the other hand double faced England and Auss are only asking for bycott of WC. They are still doing the everyday business with Zim. Their companies are Investing and earning profit from Zim. Pakistan is not doing that in case of Israel.
oh and btw ask thse democracy “Gods” why are they always happy to deal with KSA ? Kawait ? Qatar ? any of these countries have democracy ? pathetic @ UK and AUSS
and above all they are asking cricketers to bycott and not by the Govt. How can you expect this big of a decision from cricketers ? Oh i know why so that their other business with Zim goes on smooth coz if they do it on Govt level they have to stop other business too.
Just for your (and all others supporting bycott )
It’s business as usual for 400 UK firms
Terry Macalister, Jill Treanor and Geoffrey Gibbs
Tuesday December 31, 2002
The Guardian
Up to 400 British companies - including household names such as BP, Barclays Bank and British American Tobacco (BAT) - are active in Zimbabwe, despite growing controversy over the regime and threats of nationalisation.
Many firms have links going back to early colonial times which have led them to become targets for President Mugabe’s nationalist rhetoric. The UK remains one of the largest suppliers of goods and services to Zimbabwe and is one of the largest investors.
The Foreign Office last night backed UK companies operating there, saying any withdrawal would make the plight of ordinary Zimbabweans even worse. (yeah right ! so caring)
For complete article click here
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We dont have ANY KIND of relationship with Israel on the other hand double faced England and Auss are only asking for bycott of WC. They are still doing the everyday business with Zim. Their companies are Investing and earning profit from Zim. Pakistan is not doing that in case of Israel.
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Thats precisely my point.If you have issues with Israel dont have political relationship with them but dont stop playing.After all sports shouldnot be mixed with Politics. Right !!!!! ;)
I dont support the stands of British and Australian here but the reason given by people that Sports and Politics shouldnot be mixed is wrong.Different countries at different times did it and its being done even now.Pakistan is no exception.
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Thats precisely my point.If you have issues with Israel dont have political relationship with them but dont stop playing.After all sports shouldnot be mixed with Politics. Right !!!!! ;)
I dont support the stands of British and Australian here but the reason given by people that Sports and Politics shouldnot be mixed is wrong.Different countries at different times did it and its being done even now.Pakistan is no exception.
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Sports should always be the LAST option not the FIRST AQ uncle :)
Pakistan has all the options closed with Israel including sports. UK, AUSS and SOME OTHER nations always use sports as FIRST option.
Oh infact some nations go one step further they keep on playing other sports but One or two and those are the games in which ofcourse they fear losing ;)
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Sports should always be the LAST option not the FIRST AQ uncle :)
Pakistan has all the options closed with Israel including sports. UK, AUSS and SOME OTHER nations always use sports as FIRST option.
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No Bhabhi Jaan... Sports either be an option or should not be an Option.
You can not pick and choose conditions based on your convenient.If its wrong its wrong.
Dont try to justify Pakistan's stand against Israel.
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No Bhabhi Jaan... Sports either be an option or should not be an Option.
You can not pick and choose conditions based on your convenient.If its wrong its wrong.
Dont try to justify Pakistan's stand against Israel.
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Nahee uncle Pakistan's position is totally different. Pakistan has not accepted Israel as a state till now and Pakistan dont have diplomatic relations with Israel. How can we play games with non-exsistant nation ?
On the other hand there are countries who has accepted each other and doing everyday business BUT sports. Cant you see the difference ? well if you dont want to see the difference i know you wont :)
Things are not digital in the relations b/w two countries. They are not 0/1 or black and white there are some grey areas. I am of the openion that BYCOTT OF SPORTS (thats black area) should always come after grey.
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by the way why pakistan doenst play with Israel??
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I agree with NK that Pak. has got NO relations with Israel. Its a totally different issue and NK has done well to xplain that.
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Unfortunately sport is a tool (same as finances, etc.) by which governments fight their cold wars.
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Sports are only used as a "convenient" tool. It is used generally because in most cases it wont hurt the country, making the policies, financially or politically. In case of England its not a justice decision, its a racist decision.
So finally England did commit to play in Zimbabwe. Although they did it coz of their own benefits, it does give them a better chance to get in the super sixes.
Side Note: They dont want Naser Husien to shake Mugabe’s hand! How would that change anything?? 