Zardari visits India

I’m not sure much is going to come out of this visit, but give him credit for trying to improve Indo-Pak ties.

Mood swings India way for Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari visit : Pakistan News - India Today

We do not want to fight with any nation… We do not want to compete militarily with other countries," said Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari early Wednesday morning, addressing thousands of people gathered on the occasion of the death anniversary of his father-in-law and the founder of the ruling Pakistan People’s Party, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, at the Bhutto family stronghold of Garhi Khuda Bakhsh.

The irony would not be lost on those who take a long view of history. In 1971, Bhutto had vowed to “fight for a thousand years” against India. But as Zardari seeks peace vis-Ã -vis the bigger neighbour, there are few who are opposed to keeping the channel of talks open.

While speculation is rife in the Pakistani media about what prompted the President to suddenly decide to make a day-long visit to India, as well as on the possible outcome of his scheduled launch with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on April 8, only a small group of rightwing hardliners is unhappy about it. And even they are not openly critical.

“Pakistan should talk to India at all levels and we should strongly raise all the issues with them,” a Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) official said.

His reasons, though, would hardly amuse the Indian establishment. “We should raise the Kashmir issue with them, we should talk to them about the river water shortage that India is inflicting upon us,” the JuD official said.

“If Zardari strongly raises these issues with them, then visiting India in itself is not something we oppose. But if the visit is meant as a means to conceding ground to India on bilateral trade at the expense of the Kashmir issue, then of course we cannot support it,” he added.

The recently formed Difa-e-Pakistan Council, which the JuD is a part of, has opposed normalisation of trade ties with India. Its graffiti asks “how come Pakistan can befriend India which has killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims” and “how can you do business with someone who is your sworn enemy”.

A Karachi-based Urdu daily, Ummat, wrote on Wednesday that Zardari’s India visit was taking place under the US pressure. “The Indians were not ready to take the visit seriously and they wanted it to remain a personal one, as was originally announced, but then the Americans got involved and they asked the them to invite Zardari for a luncheon meeting with PM Manmohan Singh,” the newspaper reported.

Barring such dissenters, the general mood in Pakistan is positive. Analyst Najam Sethi, in his talk show on Tuesday, went to the extent of claiming that a “breakthrough has already been achieved, though it was being kept a secret for the fear of opposition from rightwing groups and the military establishment”.

According to Sethi, Zardari could make major announcements on trade concessions to India and would urge it to reciprocate by, for instance, agreeing to the withdrawal of the two armies from the Siachen glacier. “Zardari will also invite Singh to visit Pakistan in the next six months and during that visit announce the withdrawal from Siachen,” Sethi said.

A columnist in the Islamabadbased English language daily Pakistan Observer called the visit a “great initiative”. “(Zardari) has played a marvellous stroke and should return with something in his pocket,” he noted, adding that the lunch meeting could be “the harbinger of bettering the ties and the peace in region”.

The enthusiasm is, however, tempered by a cautionary note. Talat Masood, an Islamabadbased analyst who is also a former army general, warned that expecting the visit to achieve anything substantial would be asking for too much. “Remember, this started as a personal visit. Only as an after-thought has it been turned into an official one,” he said. “Expect the two sides to reiterate their commitment to peace, cooperation and harmony, but don’t expect them to announce a breakthrough on any outstanding issue.”

“The nature of the bilateral problems is such that high-level political visits can’t resolve them over a luncheon meeting. There is a lot of history and lot of technicalities, which is where the bureaucrats become involved. Which means every political initiative for peace and normalisation of ties gets bogged down in technicalities,” Masood explained.

In an editorial on Tuesday, Dawn expressed similar views. “Highlevel contacts between Pakistani and Indian leaders over the last few years have remained just that and no more… barring exchange of platitudes, nothing came of them,” the newspaper said. “To expect that the luncheon get-together will set the ball rolling and nudge the two foreign offices into quickening the pace of the normalisation process is to be naïve.”

Dawn also reported on Wednesday that Zardari could be tested during his visit on whether or not he acts against JuD chief Hafiz Saeed, who has just attracted a US $10 million bounty on his head.

“He (Zardari) is coming on a private visit and it might not be the best occasion to raise this issue. But we will raise it at every other available platform,” the report quoted P. Chidambaram as saying.

An aide to Zardari agreed that the visit was originally meant to be strictly personal. “The President wanted to visit the shrine of Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti to thank the Sufi saint for granting his prayers on his health,” the aide said. “But when we talked to the Indians about it, we got the invitation for the official lunch and meeting with PM Manmohan Singh.”

The aide said the mood among Zardari’s staff and the government was upbeat, “though we are keeping the expectation (of a breakthrough) low”. “Let’s hope for the best, but let’s also keep it in mind that this visit was never meant to achieve something great,” he said.

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a major shift came into the mindset of our politicians as far Pak-Indo ties concern. PPP in and PMLN too.

Good one.

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^^^ But army is the most important party...party that matters most. Are they on board?

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I think if the current trend of free judiciary, open media continue, establishment role will continue to decline. Five to Ten years from now they maybe not in a position to even think about meddling in civilian affairs.

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This dude is funny:cb:
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Think twice before you visit India, Bal Thackeray warns Zardari
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NEW DELHI - India’s Hindu extremist leader Bal Thackeray has warned President Asif Ali Zardari against his scheduled visit to India on April 8, which according Pakistan would be totally a private visit.
In a statement posted on a website, he said that Pakistani president should think twice before he visits India as those who kept an evil eye on India could not get their wishes fulfilled at Dargah Ajmer Sharif.
Thackeray said that Ajmer Sharif shrine was located in India and prays against India were not fulfilled here.

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I always said and will contineously to say that friendly relationship with India is in the interest of Pakistan. A free trade agreement like EU or NAFTA is very much needed for the prosperity of both the countries.

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Agree :k: … European countries fought with each other for over a thousand years, yet today most of them are part of EU and use a single currency. Economic prosperity of people is the ultimate triumph in today’s world.

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So
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if India is sincere and wants to improve relationship with Pak, it can take the first step by keeping Jardari, grant him Indian citizenship.. If it would take the whole political clan than I am convinced India is a friend.

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Krishna sets tone for Zardari visit](- GulfToday)
NEW DELHI: Ahead of President Asif Ali Zardari’s maiden
visit here, India on Friday pressed Pakistan for a judicial
inquiry into Hafiz Saeed’s role in masterminding the Mumbai
terror attack and underlined that despite New Delhi providing
enough evidence, Islamabad has chosen not to act against
the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) chief.

That’s what the US wanted to happen by kicking off the Hafiz Saeed case.

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dosti ke chakkar meiN us ko citizenship dey kar apna beirra-gharq karwa leiN? :cb:

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Keep Zardari . . . give us Tandulker

Oh . . . but why they would do that . Tandulker actually do some good :hehe:

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It is a ‘private’ visit… would present himself at Ajmer sharif with your tax money… possibly praying for another chateau in France… enjoy guys!

ISLAMABAD: President Asif Ali Zardari is expected soon to make the first visit to India by a Pakistani head of state since 2005.](http://dawn.com/2012/04/01/zardari-to-make-personal-visit-to-india/)

Zardari’s spokesman said on Sunday that the visit would be personal but held out the possibility that it could be official.

Indian media quoted government sources there as saying they hoped there would be formal talks…

Zardari is expected to visit a shrine to a revered Sufi saint in the Indian city of Ajmer…

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I fail to understand how you can say this about your President. I mean he is an elected representative of your country. Show some respect, if not to him to your fellow citizens who have voted for him.

This is one instance where Indians & Pakistani's are so apart. We in India will criticize our leaders, but I have yet to come across a single Indian who will bad mouth an elected representative of our country and hope they go into exile never return.

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Thanks, may be the gentleman is not aware of ground realities… I read some where 2/3rd of Indian Parliment is involved in serious crimes such as murders, rapes, robberies etc.. But I bet ya they still cannot beat our Jardari alone…

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Kash wo ek qatal aur kar len, jo prove na ho pae.. Win-Win situation ;)

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Pakistan can't be that lucky :)

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:eek: Zardari = Kuggi

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zardari going to india on a personal trip(we're not in a state of friendship here) wht's teh real deal here,another scandal? after America India is also stared to demand Hafez saeed's coustody .....