Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
Bhai Jab NS power maiN aye ga, tab key tab daikhaiN gay!!! abhi to Zardari and Raja Rental haiN power maiN,!!!
Bhai jab N$ power main tha tub us ne CJ aor SC ki aaisi ki taisi kar di thi. Do you think he will behave differently when come again in power. off course not, he will go one step further. Old habits die hard.
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
^^ To Zardar tolay na kasam khayee howi hay ju NS nay kiya woh iss nay bhi kerna hay???
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
And i am talking about law too!! let us discuss a scenario here Person A is appointed as a MD of Large Industrial Unit, now before his appointment, he was running a small business of his own which can be benefited by the position he have got or is in direct conflict of interest with the Unit, now the Person A, hold his meeting about his business in the premises of the Industrial Unit and the unit itself is deteriorating because of negligence and mismanagement!!! who is criminal here???
If do not get this or answer this, i am not obliged to carry on discussion with you in this thread!!! It is hard to convince a Jiyala that Govt Money is not the property of Bhutto Clan any way
We are not talking about any business . It is law .
And there is no law but the constitution which define it.
Read it and find a word and if No
It is not duty of any court to make a law.
They are bound to act upon law and define the law .
They can not make a law .
They can only refer it to assembly .
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
^^ To Zardar tolay na kasam khayee howi hay ju NS nay kiya woh iss nay bhi kerna hay???
N$ to shere punjab tha, woh zara se pangay par uchal parha. Yeh CJ apnay hadood par kar chuka hay. Is ka hashar nashar Justice Sajjad Hussain se bhi bura hoga.
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
We are not talking about any business . It is law . And there is no law but the constitution which define it. Read it and find a word and if No It is not duty of any court to make a law. They are bound to act upon law and define the law . They can not make a law . They can only refer it to assembly .
True they are not law-makers, but they can interpret the law or you want judiciary as we had!!! the one who only says what the rulers want it to say??? chopRiyaaN woh bhi do do ???
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
N$ to shere punjab tha, woh zara se pangay par uchal parha. Yeh CJ apnay hadood par kar chuka hay. Is ka hashar nashar Justice Sajjad Hussain se bhi bura hoga.
Aur yeh hashar kon karay ga!!!
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
Aur yeh hashar kon karay ga!!!
jab betay ke lieay is ne order paas kieay, is ka hashar nashar usi din se shrough howa.
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
It is not matter of holding two offices, it is the matter of presidency
We still do not know, what Zardari is, President of Pakistan or Chairman of PPP... he need to be one!!! if he is President of Pakistan, then he should act like one, do not use President House for political activities of certain parties or let me put it in better way, let us not make the president house a camp office of any particular party!!!
Thank you..it is about time someone in this forum put it rightly!. Using President's house for PPP's political activities is clearly conflict of interest. I am glad LHC has taken up this issue.
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
The court has given Zardari till September 5 to relinquish one of his 2 posts. Lets see how this one goes.
Nawaz Sharif and co are no angels, and they too are opportunistic thieves, who have sided with the courts when it suited them, and attacked them when it didnt. It is taking the courts too long to act on the Asghar Khan case.
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I dont understand this law. Chairmanship of PPP is not a govt post, so why there is a conflict. Its like saying that you cannot be president of Pakistan, as well as captain of your football team.
ridiculous.
It is like TLK can not be Director Genarale of GupShup and Superman Also!......
You have to give up one of these posts Now that is the Law!....:-)
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
When you are the president of Pakistan you should act like one and not act as chairman of a party and use the official residence to conduct the business of your party or in this case to protect yourself while destroying the whole country. The way he is conducting the affairs from the presidency, he is acting like the chairman of PPP and not the president of the country.
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I dont know pakistani constitution..but in india President of india does not have any affiliation to any political party...
Thats why Congress member Pranav Mukherjee who is contestant of presidential election is resigning from party..and his party arranged for a send off party for him.....
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
Bhai jab N$ power main tha tub us ne CJ aor SC ki aaisi ki taisi kar di thi. Do you think he will behave differently when come again in power. off course not, he will go one step further. Old habits die hard.
so, NS is bad because he did so and Zardari is good because he is doing same?
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
It should be same in Pakistan, although the position has been abused since Zia-ul-Haq gave much larger power share to President v/s the Prime Minister. A president is supposed to be a ceremonial head of state and should behave so, without political affiliations.
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Constitution of Pakistan](Chapter 1: "The President" of Part III: "The Federation of Pakistan")
41.****The President.**(1) There shall be a President of Pakistan who shall be the Head of State and shall represent the unity of the Republic.
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
Zardari has every right to hold both posts (President and Co-chairman of PPP) and there should be no problem about it to anyone. All who are making fuss about Zardari holding two posts are just doing it for political reasons as well as for demonising Zardari.
Fact is that, Politicians (actually, political parties) nominate Presidential candidates and politicians vote for President. Thus, Presidential office is political post. Presidential post is same as Governors post, Prime Ministerial post, speakers post, Chief Ministers’ posts, or post of ministers (Federal or Provincial). They are all political posts similar to each other.
Only thing one can say is that: Expected requirement is that any politician who gets into any of above mentioned executive posts, they work (or at least they should work) for Pakistan and should show neutrality in their dealings.
In other words:
Speaker once elected is speaker of country, thus he could follow party’s principles, but is not expected to show partiality when dealing with his office affairs or towards Assembly members.
Similarly, Prime Minister once elected is Prime Minister of country, and thus expected to follow party’s manifesto, but is not expected to show partiality when dealing in his office affairs, dealing towards assembly members, and dealing towards citizen of country (should show impartiality in dealing with voters, ignoring who they vote).
Similarly, Ministers once selected by Prime Minister is Minister of country, and thus expected to follow party’s manifesto, but is not expected to show partiality when dealing in his office affairs towards citizen of country (should show impartiality in dealing with voters, ignoring who they vote).
Similarly, President once elected becomes President of country and even though should/could follow party values and manifesto, should/could influence his party in meetings and gatherings, but is not expected to show partiality when dealing in his office affairs, towards ministers, towards assembly members, and towards citizen of country (should show impartiality in dealing with voters, ignoring who they vote).
Same is true of Governors, Chief Ministers, or advisors to these political posts.
Thus, in my opinion, Zardari could be chairman of PPP and President of Pakistan at the same time, as that does not (and should not) conflict with interest of Pakistan, as all parties are Pakistani parties, loyal to Pakistan, and work for Pakistan (according to their values, principles, and manifestoes).
As chairman of PPP, Zardari is expected to safeguard the interest of Pakistan as well as can look after the affairs of PPP, work for PPP, and make election and manifesto plans for PPP ... as none can be considered as conflict with the interest of Pakistan.
As President of Pakistan Zardari is expected to safeguard the interest of Pakistan, is expected to be impartial when dealing with Pakistani affairs under his responsibility, is expected to show neutrality when dealing with Prime Minister, Ministers, assembly members (of all parties), and when dealing with citizen of Pakistan.
That is all.
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
Seems like these jayalas have never heard the term ’ Conflict of interest ’ 
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
We are not talking about any business . It is law . And there is no law but the constitution which define it. Read it and find a word and if No It is not duty of any court to make a law. They are bound to act upon law and define the law . They can not make a law . They can only refer it to assembly .
There are two laws prevailing in this unfortunate country.
First law is constitution interpreted by PPP President Asif Ali Zardari. Although no constitutional amendment has been passed to date by the Parliament of Pakistan that the President of PPP (Zardari) is authorized to interpret the constitution according to his personal wisdom.. yet they government continues to do so because the have the administration under them.
The second and actual law is the constitution which clearly stipulates that only Supreme Court has the power to interpret the constitution. This law which is clearly indicated in the written constitution of Pakistan is not being implemented because the executive authority to implement the actual law according to the constitution of Pakistan is presently under the President of PPP (Zardari)... who is reluctant to face proven corruption evidences against himself.
This explanation is being given to keep the record straight..
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
Bhai … ‘Bla Bla’ na karo aur soncho … tassub kay bagair. 
What conflict of interest between President’s post and party Chairman’s post, other than propaganda?
Actually, if government post and political party post could create conflict of interest than its application should be more appropriate on Prime Minister’s post. Prime Minister is most powerful post in country with all executive powers, and still he is member of a political party, normally holding post as executive of his party.
Actually, in past when BB and NS was Prime Minister, they also held post as chairman (or President) of their respective political parties.
So, if there is no conflict of interest for chairman of a party to hold most powerful executive post (Prime Minister) in the government, than how can there be conflict of interest if a person is chairman of a party and holds a ceremonial post (President) in government?
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I don't know what the law states for the prime minister but the difference between the prime minister and president is that, the latter is the symbol of unity( head of state) and the prime minister is a political post chosen by the political party which secured majority in the parliament.
Re: Zardari also heading for a showdown with the Judiciary?
I don't know what the law states for the prime minister but the difference between the prime minister and president is that, the latter is the symbol of unity( head of state) and the prime minister is a political post chosen by the political party which secured majority in the parliament.
Who says that a politically elected President (as head of state) is symbol of unity and Prime Minister or other public office holders are not? This propaganda that President should not hold political post, as that would create ‘conflict of interest’ is done only to fool people.
Actually in a country there cannot be any legal political party whose interest conflicts with interest of country, hence holding public office and at the same time holding post in party, do not create any conflict of interest. Those political parties whose interest conflicts with interest of country, they get outlawed and banned.
Just think:
President gets nominated by his political party and gets elected by his ‘party’ or ‘party and coalition partners’, and thus he represents political party who nominated and got him elected. Though as President he represents entire country irrespective of party.
It is same with Prime Minister too. Prime Minister gets nominated by his political party and gets elected by his ‘party’ or ‘party and coalition partners’, and thus he represents political party who nominated and got him elected. Though as Prime Minister he represents entire country irrespective of party.
Same is true for all holder public posts.
As for constitution, all world constitution states that anyone holding public offices should not hold posts outside public office that can cause conflict of interest. These conflicting posts are not political posts outside public office, as they do not cause any conflict.
These conflicting posts are holding public office along with heading business ventures, doing businesses, be in consultancy, or working for foreign countries. As interest of all these posts or activities can conflict with the interest of country and thus public office can get misused or compromised.
When people holding public office uses that office to gain personally, it is called corruption, though such corruption gets legal blessing of state as person doing such corruption holds crucial public office and uses that office to facilitate such corruption legally. These corruptions are different from commissions, bribes, and other illegal corruptions.
[Such corruption happened in Pakistan when NS was holding Prime Minister’s office and at the same time was in businesses, thus was misusing Prime Minister’s office to benefit himself and his businesses ... either by influencing government officials, misusing powers, or enacting laws to benefit himself.
Actually, such happens in almost all third world corrupt countries, that people hold public offices and still be part of activities that can have conflict of interest with state, so Pakistan is no exception].