Zainab Begum

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Asalam U Aèlikum
i was just passing by this forum and saw some qadiyani stuff going on … For a person to be accepted as a prophet there are many things that we need to take a look at and first is character…
…the thing is all the prophets in the past had a clean background (character) … like people of the time, (Mushrikeen e makka) they use to call Him (SAW) Sadiq or Ameen ( Trustworthy and Truthfull) but this is different with qadiyanis. in the life history of Mirza seerat al mehdi vol 3 page 272 ( can be seen on their offical website) it talks about Zainab begum … Zainab begum use to massage Mirza over night and sometimes Mirza use to give her special tabaruk … now what kind of special taburk was that which was given at night time …if you ask a qadiyani who was zainab begum they dont have an answer i tried to ask many qadiyanis about this but they always start swearing … i just want to say one thing that qadiyanis always start the topic of Hazrat ISa life and death … the thing is Hazrat Esa being live of dead doesnt prove Mriza a prophet not even a good person … for 57 years he believed that hazrat ESA is alive and then he believed that Hazrat ESA is dead and then the third believe is that i am esa my self … decide your self and conclued your self
(please dont mind my crap english … just wrote down my thoughts)
so decide your self if mirza was a prophet or not …
my challenge to all qadiyanis in the world … please prove that Mirza was a person of good character and i will prove that prophet is very far mirza was not even a good person and one of the biggest liers

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I have opened a thread called reply to allegations....I am trying to reply all allegations on that thread. It is closed at the moment as I am compiling reply to unasnwered allegations..The thread will open soon. (In few days) You are most welcome to make your posts there.

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Infact my 2nd opinion is to solve this partcular one here.

Please read the writing from the book Seeral Mahdi Vol 3. Page 272 page 273.

You said

"zainab begum use to massage Mirza over night and sometimes Mirza use to give her special tabaruk "

If you read the passage I have presented above no where there is mention that Zainab Begum used to massasge Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS).

Infact the reality is that Zainab Begum served Promissed Messiah (A.S) for three months. And she used to wind the manual fan to Promissed Messiah (A.S). She used to do this with LOVE AND PASSION for PROPHET OF ALLAH The Promissed Mahdi and Messiah. I wish I could have been able to do this.

Now if you have problem with giving TABARRAK then see a doctor. Tabarraak could be anything used by Promissed Messiah (A.S) and then given to this lady.

Hence your allegation is a WHITE LIE.

Dont post anymore allegation on different threads. I will be speaking to Mods to open the allegation thread very soon.

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I can happily take this challenge. However the gupshup moderation and management perhaps would not like me copy pasting the material on good character of Promissed Messiah (A.S). Hence if you can get permission from Moderators on this then consider it a challege accepted.

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Let’s not get ourselves involved in the “Name differences” I am very thank full to you that you corrected my mistake. Its sure wasn’t Zainab Begum who use to massage Mirza but was “Bhano”(please check Seerat al Mehdi Vol 3 page 210. Sometimes she wouldnt even know what she was "pressing" was not mirza's legs but something else and mirza had to tell her that bhano what you are pressing (or doing massage of ) are not my legs but something els .I am also very thankful to you that you accepted that Mirza use to stay with Zainab Begum over night. What you haven’t answered is the relation of Mirza with Zainab begum. Zainab begum was Ghair Mehram for Mirza. Now let’s talk about Tabaruk. In order to understand the concept of Tabaruk in qadiyanism we need to look in Seerat Al Mehdi Vol 3 Page 268-269 where this Mureed of Mirza use to touch his body while (Mirza was )in sajda in the masjid and use to get this tabaruk (spiritual benefits) (Qadiyanis have used the word tabaruk there). The question is where he would touch mirza while mirza was in sajda (you can find the answer in same pages they say he would touch him unappropriately ). So in night time mirza would give same kind of Tabaruk to Zainab Begum who had no relation with Mirza. There is another refrence in seerat al Mehdi where it says that some ladies use to guard mirza at night time. There are many more things that can prove that Mirza was not a person of good character.

Plan an Eid Menu!
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kai logg itini ghattia or gandi zehniat ke hotte hian ke unki sharam or khuda ka khauf kooch kar chuka hota hai…aap iss baat ki prime example hian…Now please dont mind this criticism as it is a truth. The hatred of Jamaat e Ahmadiyya has blind folded you so much that you are not even reading what you are posting.

Viewers can read the full article Mr Raheem Ahmad sahib is presenting on following link page 210. Link to Book

In this page writer is narrating an incident which he heard from companion of Promissed Messiah. He writes that there used to be an old lady working at Promissed Messiah’s home called Masmaat Baano…OLD LADY.

“Once upon a time when it was very cold in night she sat to massage legs of Promissed Messiah (A.S). (I would not call it massage but pressing) aage likha hai ke she used to massage from top of the blanket so she didnt realise what she was pressing. She was not pressing the legs of the Promissed Messiah but the side of the bed he (A.S) was sleeping on. So Promissed Messiah (A.S) said Baano today is very cold and she without realising that she is pressing the bed side also agreed that its cold and she said thats why your legs are very rigid today.”

I mean how low can you go. You did not say in your allegation that she was pressing the legs of bed but you said she was pressing something.

I will go through rest of your post later on.

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Infact my second thought I will leave you to answer the above post. Because rest of your post is irrelevant if you are hiding the truth in your very first post.

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It appears that Mr. Raheel Ahmad joined this forum just to slander Jamaat Ahmadiyya. Either he is a Mullah with an agenda himself, or repeating/regurgitating things told to him by his Mullah or read from the inflammatory anti-Ahmadiyya material. He seems to have done no research on what he's accusing Ahmadis of. This speaks volumes for the lack of his intellectual honesty.

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^please attack his arguments instead of attacking him personally. Please explain what a non-Mahrem woman (Zainab begum) was doing alone at night with mirza sahab and looking after him? Where was mirza's mahrem and why couldnt they look after him? And what kind of tabaruk she used to get?

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^^looks like you have lost your intellectual honesty as well. If you havent then you would have realise that Raheel is using the statement from the book. The paragraph he is referring to no where mentiones that she was mehram or not. If she was not mehran and you or Raheel are sure she was not then provide proof. The writing in pragraph of the book no where mentioned a word mehram or non mehram.

Secondly again the wordings no where mentions what kind of Tabrakk we are talking about. If you can PROOVE that Tabrrakk in context was sinful then provide the proof.

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^actually the burden of proof lies on your shoulder: you have to show that she was her mahrem. If there is no evidence that she was his mahrem then it follows that she was his non-mahrem. In fact, if she was his marham (most likely throgh marriage), then why would she only serve him for 3 months? You see the context is against you and you are the one who is being intelleculty dishonest. Unless you can show other text in your support, your case is weak to say the least.

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I am not accusing that she was not mehram...its you and I am asking you to provide proof that she was not mehram...I was not alive at that time nor my father nor grandfather. I am sure if you are accusing that she was not mehram then you would have proof as well.

Thats what I am saying if you accuse then provide reference and proof as well.

P.S - mehram doesnt have to be wife only!

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something cannot be disapproved unless it is proved and this is rule of common sense and logic. The negative can never be proven unless positive case is proven. In this case, the positive is that she was his marhem and negtive is that she was not his mahrem. We showed you the text that a woman used to look after him when he was sick, using fan to relieve him from garmi, etc. And she did this only for three months. Now, the burden of proof is not on our shoulders to show that she was his non-mahrem rather it is your job to prove that she was his mahrem. We are not going to give him a benefit of doubt. So please tell us whether she was his mahrm or not!? Even if we assume that she was his mahrem, why did she only look after him for three months? Where was she for other times?

You say you were not born at that time, etc. Don't you have historical accounts and biographies of mahrems of your prophet? Specially those who served him and looked after him. It is very strange for you to utter such a statement!


straw man - I never said otherwise, I said it is most likley that she could be his wife. Again, how come you cannot produce a text to prove your mirza sahab's innocence and show that she was his mahrem. If she was his mahrem whether through marrige or other relation, it is ridiculously stupid to say that we have no historical account or biography or some data which tells us about the marhems of mirza sahab. This is hardly a century old incident! If you say you got nothing, then I say shame on you people for not keeping important information intact about your beloved mirza sahab.

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BeyKaar ki Tanqeed (criticism) ko aik taraf rakhtey howe

It seems that D tox sahab is trying not to answer my questions. He has failed to explain the relationship of Zainab begum with Mirza. Bhano was not pressing the legs of bed. She was pressing something that mirza could feel. This is why mirza said bhano what you are pressing are not my legs.i would like to thank you again for accepting that Bhano was another lady who use to stay with Mirza. And this proves my point that if mirza was a person of good character why would he stay with Na mehram ladies. They are not only 2 like zainab begum and bhano but there are many. As I said before there are stories in seerat al Mehdi which says that some ladies use to gaurd for mirza overnight.

@brahmachari99

I am not a Mullah neither a jamat e qadiyani hater i am a normal muslim. Infact qadiyanis are full of hate for muslims. Mirza wrote that people who do not accepet him are children of prostitutes (the original word written by mirza is children of whores). This is a prof of hate for muslims qadiyanis have in their heart. They always lie when they say “love for all hatred for none”

Zainab Begum , Bhano, and all the other women they were ghair mehram for mirza. If qadiyanis say they were mehram they need to prove it.

is thinking outside the "box" a good trait?
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I am still sticking to my point.

You said she is not MEHRAM. Did you say that or not? I never started discussion on MEHRAM. Its you and Raheel. Thats what I am asking provide me proof that she was not MEHRAM. I dont have GOD gifted sight which can read each every book and page and history on everything. Thats what I ask everyone RC, Aramis, Firenze that provide me evidence, proof writing so I can read and make a reply.

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Miaan tanqeed nahin hai sach hai ye.....jab aapki taang khenchi hai mene to aap ko orr baatien yaad aa gayeen....

sab sharam or haya kooch kar gai hai....kuch post karne se pehle parh lia karo...mene page ki image post kar di hai...agar abb bhi tumhien hosh nahin aai to Allah hi tumhaara haafiz ho....kisi ki Bahoo betiyon pe itni gandde ilzaam lagaate ho?...tum basically Mirza sb pe zana ka ilzaam lagaana chah rahe ho...jo saaf baat hai wo karro...laao chaar gawah agar ilzaam lagaana hai to?

Ye jo gandi zehniyat ke ilzaam tum Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (A.S) pe lagaa rahe ho Hindu, Isaai, or Yahoodi bhi Hadhrat Muhammad SAW or Sahaaba karaam pe yehi ilzaam lagaate hien ke wo londia rakhte the. Abb yehi ilzaam koi non-Muslim Rasool Allah SAW ki shaan mien lagaaye to tumhaara khoon kholl uthe ga ke nahin?....issi lyye keh raha hoon ke iss tarah ke bhyaanak ilzaam lagaane se pehle kuch aqal laraa lia karro ke kia keh rahe ho?

theek hai challo ye to Tarbiyyaat ka lecture ho gia abb mozoo pe waapis aate hian...(mien ye post URDU mien iss lyye karr raha hoon taake pata to challe aapko URDU aati bhi hai ya nahin.)

Abb mien likhta hoon ke kitaab jahaan se aap apna ilzaam pesh karr rahe hian wahan likha kia hai orr aap kia kehte hian.

likte hian ...."choonke wo leyaaf ke ooper se dabaati thi, iss lyye usse ye pata na laga ke jiss chiz ko mien dabaa rahi hoon wo Hazoor ki taangien nahin hian balke palang ki patti hai"...

abb ye bataaien ke kahan likha hai ke wo kuch orr dabaa rahi hai?

Aage aap Hadhrat farmaate hian ke mene iss baat ki bhi tasdeeq kar di ke aik BURHI aurat bhi Hadhrat sb (A.S) ke saath thi...mene sirf aapke ilzaam ka jawaab dia hai...agar aap koi khaas ilzaam lagaana chahte hian to saboot ke saath pesh karrien...kiyaas aaraayan na karrien...na hi mere paas in ghattia baaton ka jawaab dene ke lyye waqt hai or na hi logon ke paas esi ghattia baatien sunanne ka.

aage aap farmaate hian ke Ladies use to Gaurd Hadhrat sb (A.S). iss baat ka bhi reference de dijjye taake iss ka bhi patta saaf kar doon.

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For your immature thought. This issue has been discussed on the gs before. For your satisfaction view the following post:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/3139270-post71.html

I guess repeating the same discussed issue will be against the forum policy of duplication. :wink:

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why? because there is no databook or seerah book which lists the mahrems of mirza sahab?


if you try to pay more attention it is more like we are asking you whether she was his mahrem or not. I said so due to you people not providing any evidence for it. Why can't you produce an evidence to disapprove us? If my statment came out as an assertion then I rectify from it. But again I said so due to you NOT providing any evidence to remove the doubts and also because the context doesn't allow me to give him any benefit of doubt. I hope this clarifies a bit more.


utter rubbish to say the least! How it is our fault if you haven't read your own books? Are you telling me you can't go and ask your scholars? Are you telling me you have no seerah book on mirza? SubhaanAllah, this is not even a century old incident and you are complaining about not having access to these documents which should be available and taught to every qadyani child. Look at us, allhamdulillha, we know the biography and relationship of important people to our Prophet (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa sallam). We have read and preserved his seerah and their biographies. But you can't even find a biography of single person and specially someone who served and looked after your prophet. It is amazing that you guys have no easily accessible book which lists the family and the mahrems of mirza sahab. I'm shocked and dumbfounded at your blunder!

In order to remove our doubts against your prophet, all you have to do is show us a text which says that she was his mahrem. It is as simple as that


please stop with your childish behaviour and stop attacking us - attack the arguments please. When you couldn't prove anything and this is what you come down to - hatred for none and love for all -
I have yet to expose you heretics liars for lying against the noble scholars of Islam in other thread. insha'Allah, I'll do once my research is complete and that will be very soon!

On Eid, who do you hug first? :)
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Provide proof or keep quite.

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Reign in your emotions people. Its better not to engage in useless talk, wastes time and energy.

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