Zaid Hamid in Peshawar

[junaid001]

Now if He has support, and he talk sense, idealist views doesnt mean these have to be practical. Ideas and visions are never tactical in nature, they are for inspiration. true or wrong, sadly we dont have a single leader at present from Politics or Army who has atleast a vision or ideas for Nation of Pakistan.

so you are saying he talks sense and has a vision,,, frankly if thats it then wonder what to call crap.

to be very frank he relies all on conspiracies, lies and deception and that is all we like as a nation chit chat without using brains everything has to be perfect but i aint going to do about it, everyone has to abide by law as far as me is concerned not sure.

[burqaposhx]

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to be very frank he relies all on conspiracies, lies and deception ...

Nothing too different from Pak's "EDUCATED ELITE".

majority of Islamist educated elite believes in the lies, constipated conspiracy theories, and made up Islamic history.

No wonder he is popular.

[Captain1]

After researching a bit & reading a bit of history of him such as him being a part of JI in student life & the reasons of transfusion from hamis zaman to hamid zain, I quite doubtful about his agenda.

There is high probability that he might be a tool of the same mafia who used OBL to exploit the uneducated naiive masses of pakistani and other muslims around the world into comitting acts of terror. But through hamid zain, they are attracting or looking to exploit the 'mildly' educated but still naiive youth of pakistan. The end result could be more & more destruction of pakistan & pakistanis.

I could never accept any word coming out of Zaid Hamid, can you share with us what you found out about him which makes you doubtful of his agenda, may be that information will be helpful for many of us. Thanks.

[Ambassador1]

If his only agenda is to promote the much needed unity, patriotism & nationalism, Im all for it. My only concern is that after being popular & accepted by the youth of Pakistan, he might lure them into accepting the talibanic form of government. That's what would be an alarming scenario.

But if he does not have any such motive & is as selfless as he says he is in his speeches, Im all for his strategy & plan to unite the pakistan nation. NEED of these times.

I just dont want any looters, murderers, extremists in the form of talibans to claim their authority on the freedom of pakistani people.

*Apart from all the conspiracy theories , which I won't care at this point , he is encouraging nationalism and patriotism . Something we are lacking these days . We need couple of more people like him to balance out the anti-Pakistani forces . *

But he use propaganda and myths as a weapon , which is not very useful in the long run without any practicality behind them .

[burqaposhx]

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Patriotism in the name of Islam will eventually destroy Pakistan.

Because islamism is incompatible with 21st century. It is just another name for Mullahtic warlordism.

Remember this -

Patriotism in the hands of cool dudes like Jinnah = progress and prosperity.

Patriotism in the hands of hot headed emotional Mullahs, Maulanas, Khalifas = death, destruction and warlordism.

[Captain1]

@burqaposhx

Patriotism in the hands of cool dudes like Jinnah = progress and prosperity.

Patriotism in the hands of hot headed emotional Mullahs, Maulanas, Khalifas = death, destruction and warlordism.

What about patriotism in the hands of gangsters like Altaf Hussein? Nawaz Sharif? Zardari?

[Ambassador1]

Captain, what I found out was the fact that in the past, he has been involved in some drama with some fake mullah who claimed to be the last prophet. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone sins. Every Pakistani would have accepted him with open heart due to his passionate patriotic views only if he had repented for his support for this guy in the past. But what he did was just change his last name and deny any links with that guy. Does that mean he still support that guy to be the last prophet? Obviously, someone with these views can change track with the huge crowd on his back following him & take them whereever he wishes to.

That is the only issue which gives rise to my skeptism about him & his (yet unknown) plan.

I might be completely wrong & he probably is selfless & without any hidden motives. I really am not 100% sure yet.

I could never accept any word coming out of Zaid Hamid, can you share with us what you found out about him which makes you doubtful of his agenda, may be that information will be helpful for many of us. Thanks.

[Captain1]

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^ Thanks for the info :k:, I’d rather stay away from such guys.

[Ambassador1]

Re: Zaid Hamid in Peshawar

Another thought which comes to my mind is:

Since IK's vision, ambition, foresight, strength of leadership, positivity, passion, patriotism, honesty, dedication & genuine desire to help the people of Pakistan made anti pakistani forces pee in pants. How could they allow pakistan to have a leader like IK when for years, they successfully developed & managed a certain mafia inside pakistan to operate regionally in different forms & with different names, such as, JI, MQM, fazla, present talibans & some leaders of punjab. How could they suddenly give up their struggle to destory pakistan by letting IK operate freely & carry about his plans for pakistani people?

So first they lanuched a large scale propaganda against him so that pakistani mullahs could just kill him for his past sin. Created some internal conflicts within his party by making MQM murderers kill his men. IK's party still survived. Then they sent him bad advice through traitors of pakistan to join hands with JI. IK fell for it. The top most factor which made IK lose his popularity. They tried to involve him with the 'bad talibans'. His party still survived. There are alot more things which they did to completely deplete the popularity of IK in Pakistan.

But by now, there has been so much of a 'haleem' out of so much that has been going on & people are so confused so.............. they thought of a new tactic............. Read below:

They (the anti pakistan mafia) decided to bring a new man to compete with IK. That is who zaid hamid could be.............. a similar hope of a stronger united pakistan that people saw in IK but............... with slightly different vision. This time ISLAMIC RULE is the most important factor & vision that pakistani youth are fed to support & follow & not the 'normal & healthy' desire of making pakistan a self sufficient & stronger countryby making use of its' own resources. The important criteria here is made ISLAMIC paranoia again & not the normal dreams & visions of a true leader - IMRAN KHAN.

I dont think IK has any support from the military or any Pakistani establishment (than his own) to carry out his plan like ZH has. The difference is that ZH meets the agenda of the mafia (Forget about a self sufficient stronger pakistan but bring in more destruction by importing old age concept of islamic khilafah & by making the whole pakistani nation not physically but psychologically dumb, mute & deaf).

So, all the IK followers move on to ZH instead because it serves the mafia's agenda.

The above is my own personal analysis. Not accusations of any kind. Incase the future proves me wrong, my apologies in advance.

[junaid001]

@Ambassador1

So, all the IK followers move on to ZH instead because it serves the mafia's agenda.

to be very frank it was good for imran no one needs that kind of retards who follow a preacher of hate and fancy talker.

he would bite the dust with one wrong move as doesnt have a base.

Imrans time would come and for sure would come but what i am concerned is he would have to wait atleast 4-5 more years one more election people would choose nawaz this time he would behave same as before they would get tired of them and during his tenure IK would get stronger.

he shouldnt be working on electioneering whereas concentrate on his party organize it grow it run it properly he really needs smart people.

[Himalaya]

@Ambassador1

Captain, what I found out was the fact that in the past, he has been involved in some drama with some fake mullah who claimed to be the last prophet. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone sins. Every Pakistani would have accepted him with open heart due to his passionate patriotic views only if he had repented for his support for this guy in the past. But what he did was just change his last name and deny any links with that guy. Does that mean he still support that guy to be the last prophet? Obviously, someone with these views can change track with the huge crowd on his back following him & take them whereever he wishes to.

That is the only issue which gives rise to my skeptism about him & his (yet unknown) plan.

I might be completely wrong & he probably is selfless & without any hidden motives. I really am not 100% sure yet.

Whats this all about?

[VoiceOne]

The following are quotes attributed to Zaid Hamid during his radio show. I have seen him on the tube but have never had pleasure (:)) to listen him on radio. Zaid Hamid is nothing but a venom spitting vermon. He has in him, all the making of mordern Zia Uloo haq. I do know that Mr. kamran Shafi is sometimes a bit harsh on the army/isi but that should not be the ground for disbeleiving what he wrote.
I pesonally dislike Zaid, i think he is a designer's version of talibots, appeals to the sem-educated and rot educated people.
(note: talibots is copyright of burqapox, but u can go ahead and violate the copyright :) ) .
"link: Dawn newpaper, 3/18/10, Kamran Shafi article : The crazy Right and rump Pakistan "

“Pakistan is in the headlines again! Oh people! Know that it is a combined action of RAW and Mossad to dismantle the divinely placed concrete foundations of the house of the pure, the feared fort of Islam. We are a nation which is like a glittering star of guidance for the crescent of the whole Muslim world, the pioneer of the creation of the green united states of Islam in the world that is drowning in the sea of ignorance.

“Oh Muslims! Always hold on to truth, and the truth is that it is yet again a Zionist-controlled western media’s conspiracy. Let’s rise up against the enemies of Islam; let’s nuke the ... Hindus and Jews, the nefarious dark forces of this planet. Insha’allah, the time for shahadat is near. My sons and daughters, get ready for the big day, the promised day when Allah will make the Muslims victorious and Jews will run here and there to find shelter. Even the trees will talk and will say: ‘these sons of apes and swines are hiding behind my trunk’.

“Rise up and get ready for the mass suicide. Great nations die for a noble cause. What is more nobler than wiping the enemies of Islam from the face of this earth? Remember, Islam is a peaceful religion. Allah commands us to take care of each other. All are equal in the eyes of Allah. Slay them with your daggers. ...Islam will rule the world....”. The transmission is interrupted. Announcer: “We are trying to re-establish the connection with our great leader, meanwhile we will ask Qari Bakir to recite ‘Surah Tauba’.”

[ravage]

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According to Dawn, he was banished the students were protesting because he promotes the militants/suicide bombers.

Mr Kamal told Dawn the Amn Tehrik leaders would hold a press conference on Monday against Zaid Hamid and those who had permitted him to speak in the university.

“We have already suffered a lot due to the suicide bombers and militants and do not want those promoting the extremists,” he said

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/national/controversial-speech-leads-to-clash-in-university-730

[EyEsOnSkY]

Imrans time would come and for sure would come but what i am concerned is he would have to wait atleast 4-5 more years one more election people would choose nawaz this time he would behave same as before they would get tired of them and during his tenure IK would get stronger.

Bhai ji Bilawal is warming up and so shareef`s sons too surely...
well in other hand peoples are realy start gettin tired by them, but its not mean that Imran is nxt choice. First Impression is last impression.

I personally like Imran too but he jst srat that POLISH>>>T on wrong bases and that make him another ILQAI leader, jst in his hometown....
peace