Another post mentioned that Sikhs dont eat zabiha meat because it has caused immense pain to an animal vs jhatka etc.
I want to know if that indeed is true because from what I recall once the shah ragg and the major nerves are cut during zabeeha the brain can not sense any pain.
does anyone know.
Fraudz (may I call you Fraudia?),
Your question was answered in detail by one scholar in India: Dr Zakir Naik from the Islamic Research Institute in Mumbai.
**Why do Muslims slaughter the animal in a ruthless manner by torturing it and slowly and painfully killing it?
Answer:**
The Islamic method of slaughtering animals, known as Zabiha has been the object of much criticism from a large number of people.
One may consider the following points, which prove that the Zabiha method is not only humane but also scientifically the best:
Zakkaytum is a verb derived from the root word Zakah (to purify). It’s infinitive is Tazkiyah which means purification. The Islamic mode of slaughtering an animal requires the following conditions to be met:
a. The animal has to be slaughtered with a sharp object (knife) and in a fast way so that the pain of slaughter is minimised.
b. Cut wind pipe, throat and vessels of neck.
Zabiha is an Arabic word, which means ‘slaughtered’. The ‘slaughtering’ is to be done by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord.
c. The blood has to be drained completely before the head is removed. The purpose is to drain out most of the blood which would serve as a good culture medium for micro-organisms. The spinal cord must not be cut because the nerve fibres to the heart could be damaged during the process causing cardiac arrest, stagnating the blood in the blood vessels.
Blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. Therefore the Muslim way of slaughtering is more hygienic as most of the blood containing germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. that are the cause of several diseases are eliminated.
Meat slaughtered by Islamic way remains fresh for a longer time due to deficiency of blood in the meat as compared to other methods of slaughtering.
The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body.
Dr Zakir Naik http://www.irf.net
I hope this helps.
They shoot partypoopers, don’t they?
[This message has been edited by Mr Partypooper (edited October 16, 2000).]
Thanks Mr partypooer (may I call u partypooper)
This is exactly the type of stuff I was looking for, because this si what I read but wanted to learn from other's knowledge.
as far as twitching goes. Even cows that have been slaughtered via jhatka..the muscles are still twitching and all when they are on the processing line.
I know this because I have visited IBP ( Iowa Beef Processing)several times for an operations mgmt class. Plus I know desis who worked there personally.
This method of killing animals has been around for ions. It is not only just an Islamic concept. It is true what partypoper is suggesting that by draining all the blood, cleans the meat of microorganisms. But if good care is taken afterwards (i.e., thoroughly cooking), animals killed by other methods are equally clean.
If Zabiha method was the most perfect and healthy way to kill animals, the average life expectancy in Islamic countries will be a lot higher than non-Islamic ones. So there isn’t any correlation in that respect. Certain meat types are harmful for you, whether Halal or Jhatka or electrocution.
I am not such a big animal rights freak, we kill animal for eating, whichever way suites you, it is fine. All those animal rights folks who say that Halal is barbaric, how about eating monkey’s brains (taken out of alive monkey in parts of the Philippines) or throwing alive lobster in the boiling water? Some times there are cultural rituals, which nobody should have any right to criticize.
May be I am going off the tangent.
Oye NY yaaar
life expectancy has more to do with the configuration of diet. instead of the pyramid some people have a "lattoo" diet..high in meats and fats. also malnutrition, unhygienic water, bad drainage, below par healthcare facilities, etc contribute to low life spans
heck ..forget Burkina Faso...look at Scots..
the whole diet composition issue is evident
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Originally posted by Fraudz:
**Thanks Mr partypooer (may I call u partypooper)
This is exactly the type of stuff I was looking for, because this si what I read but wanted to learn from other's knowledge.
as far as twitching goes. Even cows that have been slaughtered via jhatka..the muscles are still twitching and all when they are on the processing line.
I know this because I have visited IBP ( Iowa Beef Processing)several times for an operations mgmt class. Plus I know desis who worked there personally.**
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---------------------------------------------Fraudz
just a little correction, 'jhatka' is the Sikh way of animal slaughter, just the same as halal is the muslim way of animal slaughter. As Sikhs don't eat cows, therefore cows can not be slaughtered by doing the jhatka, just the same as pigs can not be slaughtered by doing the halal.
‘Jhatka’ is a Sikh method?
Maybe thats true, but I always assumed that the word ‘jhatka’ (when mentioned in the context of meat in western countries) refers to method of slaughter which is NOT halal. Isn’t it true?
Banta… the rest of your statements are true from a strict common sense point of view.
Mr Partypooper:
You are right. I read somewhere that scientists did research on the Islamic way of salughtering. They put some kind of connections to the animal's brain and did Zabah. They find that the signal that came from the brain were as if the animal were going to sleep. There is very minimal pain since the nerves going to the brain are cut. When another animal was killed by electrocution, the brain signals went haywire.
It might seem inhumane to non-muslims, because they see all that blood, but this is a lot less painful than electrocution.
Meat slaughtered in the halal way is also less prone to bacteria and diseases since the blood is allowed to flow. Just take a look at 'jhatka' meat. You will see blood all over it, unlike halah meat.
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Banta
Thanks for the information, I learnt something new (I am not being sarcastic). I was using the word jhatka incorrectly in its more common usage among Pakistanis as non zabeeha, as pristine noted.
jhatka.. by a jerk or twist.. works fine with chickens and ducks.. as Fraudia can tell you..
but i haven't seen it being done to a goat before.. quite tough little neck they have..
oh.. i put you guys to a test who claim that 'electro shock' is less painful to the animals.
ask the person who gets electrocuted but survives on how much pain they were in..
also ask someone who was stabbed or something with slow discharge of blood but survives..
what was more painful..
same would go for animals..
The reason the knife has to be razor sharp is.. ask the person who cuts their wrists with razors that why did they use razor and not 'Ginsu' knife... cuz you do not feel pain when there is a clean cut of the flesh and nerves in it.
Black zero mah man
them cickens we used to pick up by their necks and twisted em like a lasso was a whole diff thing, but thats how they did it on dem farms in Kansas. Ron was the master of that they kinda ran around with there necks hanging at 30%. It was painful to watch.
ask the person who gets electrocuted but survives on how much pain they were in..
Yikesamazoiders! That just made the whole last electrocution scene from the green mile flash in front of my eyes..la illaha illallah…even if they die, just think of how much pain they experience before…
Fraudia, twisted their necks–like a lasso
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/confused.gif
U mean they didn’t use knives?
GQ yeah my pal's family had a ranch in Kansas and had chicken and all too. according to Ron the easiest way to kill the chicken was to to grap it and swing it by its neck and then grab another one and then take em all and skin them etc, otherwise catching them and taking them and then killing them at the chopping block was too tedious and time consuming.
Oh man..i think thats awful, alot worse than the chopping block...btw u don't even need a chopping block for chickens, or turkeys for that matter you just Yikes GQ ducks as Amber..... (Amber doesn't like to hear about my turkey horror stories) but umm..nevermind..rueful smile Too time consuming? I think they gotta take lessons from me---not that i've ever killed a chicken or anything, but still u learn alot when u live awhile in a place where trucks outnumber cars six to one....wry smile