I don’t know what subforum to post this on and I"m more active on here so I figured I’d ask you all.
Do indian muslims have this whole “zaat” business…or is this more of a Pakistani thing? I ask because my family is wanting to know the zaat of this guy I’m interested in before they proceed further but the guy is saying that he doesn’t think his family has one (because they’re indian). Of course, my parents aren’t buying it.
From what I recall, my indian friends have never known about what “zaat” they belong to, whereas my pakistani friends can (mostly) all tell you if they’re syed/rajput/qureshi/etc.
I don’t believe in this nonsense but unfortunately my family does so they keep pressing the issue.
I think ppl from India only have that kind of thing where they say k him delhi waalay Haen, ya Hyderabad k Haen. So yeh Im not sure why that changed with Pakistanis. But Indians have a pretty strong caste system, maybe the Muslims don't?
I think ppl from India only have that kind of thing where they say k him delhi waalay Haen, ya Hyderabad k Haen. So yeh Im not sure why that changed with Pakistanis. But Indians have a pretty strong caste system, maybe the Muslims don't?
That's what I've noticed. Unless they identify with being syed, most indian muslims I know can't really tell you their zaat. I didn't know if it was just something that most indians didn't care about or if there really isn't a muslim zaat system in place in India.
Coming from an Indian Muslim family, I've never heard of zaats or castes, aside from being a Syed. The only thing we look at/ask/differentiate is along the lines of "unnay kahan se hain? Achaa...UP/Hyderabad/Banglore/etc ke hain?"
That's it...have never ever heard of caste/sub caste in my family or any rishta situation for me or any of my cousins
With pak in its name, this forum is nothing but terrible PR for Pakistan, and great PR for India. For every story involving abusive, illiterate, racist, backwards Pakistanis, there is someone’s personal experience praising the Indian counterparts.
Lady, India is what spawned the whole caste/zaat system in first place. How could you have never heard about Dalits? The untouchables? Wiping arses of the higher ranked castes is part of their job description. If anything, Pakistani caste system can’t hold a candle to the Indian caste system. From sudras to brahmins, with branched sub-castes. You can’t fault Indians for denying its existence, unlike our own wrist-slitting Pakistanis who won’t let a single opportunity of putting Pakistan down slip.
dude. relax. I’m well versed on the HINDU caste system in India. I was asking specifically about the muslims in India because I haven’t heard of such a thing. I love Pakistan, as anyone that knows me could tell you, and I wasn’t bashing it. I was just comparing the two. Being from Pakistan, I’ve heard a lot about families (including my own) taking zaat into consideration (whether someone is rajput, hashmi, qureshi, syed, etc) whereas my indian friends seem to be clueless if asked about their zaat/family. I didn’t know if it was a matter of ignorance on their part or just that muslims in India don’t have the same zaat-system that pakistanis do.
One of the most annoying part is how people that constantly profess their love for Pakistan have such rude/knee-jerk reactions to anyone that criticizes anything having to do with that country. Part of loving something has to do with accepting its faults and we’re all delusional if we think that Pakistan doesn’t have any. I wasn’t trying to compare which was better…I was merely asking if Indian muslims ascribe to the same belief in zaat that Pakistanis do.
Next time, try not to get your panties in a bunch before understanding what someone was asking.
dude. relax. I'm well versed on the HINDU caste system in India. I was asking specifically about the muslims in India because I haven't heard of such a thing. I love Pakistan, as anyone that knows me could tell you, and I wasn't bashing it. I was just comparing the two. Being from Pakistan, I've heard a lot about families (including my own) taking zaat into consideration (whether someone is rajput, hashmi, qureshi, syed, etc) whereas my indian friends seem to be clueless if asked about their zaat/family. I didn't know if it was a matter of ignorance on their part or just that muslims in India don't have the same zaat-system that pakistanis do.
One of the most annoying part is how people that constantly profess their love for Pakistan have such rude/knee-jerk reactions to anyone that criticizes anything having to do with that country. Part of loving something has to do with accepting its faults and we're all delusional if we think that Pakistan doesn't have any. I wasn't trying to compare which was better...I was merely asking if Indian muslims ascribe to the same belief in zaat that Pakistanis do.
Next time, try not to get your panties in a bunch before understanding what someone was asking.
People who won't acknowledge their faults annoy you? Great, then you know which tree you should be barking up to right now. Unlike your Indian mate there, or Pakistan-loathing aunties cheering you on, I am not in denial about the existence of caste system in Pakistan. It is unfortunate that it still exists. To answer your question, No woman, this whole "zaat" business is not just a Pakistani thing. Rest assured, every time you write an ignorant Pakistanis vs Indians post, I will get my panties in a twist.
^I think it was just a simple question, I don't think OP meant to diss anyone? Everyone knows the Hindu casts system in India is really strong. Op wasn't talking about that. And no I don't know what the point of knowing ur caste is, maybe it just about knowing which clan/village/ancestry u belonged to, which doesn't even matter nowadays since everything's gone global and ppl have just moved all over the place. Even in old Arab times pre-Islamic as well as later, everyone belonged to a tribe and that's what u went by. There is no harm in knowing ur caste as long as ur not going to make sweeping judgements about ppl without knowing anything about them. There's no need to get so defensive about something that wasn't meant as an attack to anyone.
People who won't acknowledge their faults annoy you? Great, then you know which tree you should be barking up to right now. Unlike your Indian mate there, or Pakistan-loathing aunties cheering you on, I am not in denial about the existence of caste system in Pakistan. It is unfortunate that it still exists. To answer your question, No woman, this whole "zaat" business is not just a Pakistani thing. Rest assured, every time you write an ignorant Pakistanis vs Indians post, I will get my panties in a twist.
I just want to point out how obnoxious and condescending that is.
There was no Indian vs Pakistani tone to this thread until YOU made it about that. I never said any one culture was better than the other.
From what I recall, my indian friends have never known about what "zaat" they belong to, whereas my pakistani friends can (mostly) all tell you if they're syed/rajput/qureshi/etc.
A thought occurred to me, OP. It may be that your friends really truly don't know what caste they belong to. However, it could also be that since the caste system carries greater social consequences/stigma in India, some people could feel uncomfortable with disclosing their caste. So, either they honestly don't know or they're concealing it. Just a guess.
I don't know what subforum to post this on and I"m more active on here so I figured I'd ask you all.
Do indian muslims have this whole "zaat" business...or is this more of a Pakistani thing? I ask because my family is wanting to know the zaat of this guy I'm interested in before they proceed further but the guy is saying that he doesn't think his family has one (because they're indian). Of course, my parents aren't buying it.
From what I recall, my indian friends have never known about what "zaat" they belong to, whereas my pakistani friends can (mostly) all tell you if they're syed/rajput/qureshi/etc.
I don't believe in this nonsense but unfortunately my family does so they keep pressing the issue.
Any ideas?
These are some well known castes among indian muslims too. there are so many people claiming to be syeds and there are naqvis, qureshis and rajputs, chaudharys etc.
With pak in its name, this forum is nothing but terrible PR for Pakistan, and great PR for India. For every story involving abusive, illiterate, racist, backwards Pakistanis, there is someone's personal experience praising the Indian counterparts.
buahaha. woh perfect life story rona har thread may chalta hai.
And everyday we learn new things.
It was on this forum i learnt that Pakistan has a caste system similar to that of India's. drivers, chauffers, cooks, cleaners, janitors they are a part of pakistani caste system. You want the link to the thread.
I guess indians/paksitanis both, in the west don't give much thought to the caste etc,, however back home its given importance. Another differnce is urban/rural. If you have indian friends from urban areas, they might not even know much about their castes etc.
Only relevant response would be from some muslim inside india, like that ninja hattori guy or something. People who emigrated from india to pakistan/west 30 years ago don't really know shiit.