Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

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18th Amendment Bill tabled in Parliament

18th Amendment Bill tabled in Parliament
Updated at: 1315 PST, Friday, April 02, 2010
ISLAMABAD: Senator Raza Rabbani presented landmark 18th Amendment draft in the National Assembly and the Senate today, Geo News reported.

Yesterday, PCCR chairman handed over the draft to the National Assembly Speaker Dr Fehmida Mirza and Senate Chairman Farooq Naek.

Congratulating the nation on presentation of Constitutional Reforms package to the House, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani Friday urged every citizen to promote nationalism and contribute to nation building.

“Let it be the time that we the Pakistanis say with pride every where in the world that we are proud to be Pakistanis,” he said addressing the National Assembly prior to presentation of the report of the Constitutional Committee to the House.

“Today is a historic day. Today we have gathered here to mend the follies of the past. Today I feel pleasure to congratulate the Speaker, the Committee, the Parliamentarians and the whole nation,” he added.

In his address to the NA Raza Rabbani said dictatorships distorted the Constitution, and only reconciliation and dialogue can resolve bitter disputes.

Some of the proposals presented are:

Few subjects in fed legislative list 1 transferred to list 2

Concurrent list be abolished

President bound by PM’s advice

Ordinances to be re-promulgated only once

Strength of Senate to be increased to 104

Article 58 2 (B) to be repealed

President on advice of PM dissolve House

All children of age 5-14 be given free education

NWFP renamed to Khyber-Pakhtoonkhwa

CCI meetings to be held every 3 months

Chief Ministers cannot have more than 5 advisors

Provincial assemblies to have 70-100 working days

HC judges cannot be transferred without own consent

12 parliamentary members to select Chief Election Commissioner (CEC)

CEC to be selected with consent of government, opposition

Caretaker cabinet to be formed after dissolution of government

Caretaker CM’s to be appointed by outgoing government, opposition

6th Schedule to be repealed

7th Schedule also be repealed

No limits be fixed on terms of PM or CM’s

Re: Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

We are good at bills!

sab bakwaas, sab dramay! nothing has done for mankind!

no basic necessities were given! no electricity, no food, no education, no health care, no water, no gas, no job, but only BILLS!

Re: Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

Writing bills...receiving bills...and paying the bills are all different and opposing things... :D

Just one example...now who got the money to pay free education of 5-14 year olds...some estimate suggests that some 15 billion dollars are needed just to start with... :D

India also took some initiatives regarding education. our Pakistanis made fun of that... and they also made fun of Pakistan's own initiative for education.

kamaal soch hay Mashallah.

Re: Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

Great progress!

Credit goes to PPP for moving this bill forward :jhanda:

Re: Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

Credit goes to everybody who worked hard on the bill. Its amazing you can blame the PML N for destroying the process. But when it comes to give credit you ignore them completely. Also what about the coalition partners without which you will have no PPP led government. They deserve credit as well.

I must say the more you PPP supporters post the more I realize you would sell out Pakistan if it benefited the PPP.

Re: Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

Good provisions, specially about the presidential powers. My Indians friends always ask what a president has to do with politics!

Some undoing of mutilation done to the constitution by the generals.

There should be provisions deterring them from conquering the country once again though.

Did you not read about the games Sharif played with this bill in the last week??

Re: Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

I did. And that is what I mean. You are ready to blame him but not share credit. That is the amazing part.

Re: Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

does anyone know the significance of the repeal of the 6h and 7th schedule

here are the notes of reiteration ..which was a measure to ensure consensus.

11 ‘notes of reiteration’ in 18th Amend Bill
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\04\03\story_3-4-2010_pg7_25
By Tahir Niaz

ISLAMABAD: Various political parties with representation in the parliamentary committee on constitutional reforms have submitted a total of 11 notes to reiterate their stated position on issues that remained contentious despite thorough deliberations.

In a bid to facilitate the development of a consensus agreed, the parties, however, have agreed not to oppose committee decisions.

Some of the parties, in their ‘notes of reiteration’, have expressed identical points of view on a number of issues that were not accommodated in the proposed 18th Amendment. The issues include the renaming of NWFP, holding the cabinet responsible for both Houses of parliament and the concurrent list. The PML-Q, at meetings of the committee, said the procedure defined in the constitution for the creation of a new province was “cumbersome”. The party said the procedure should be changed to allow parliament to change the boundaries and name of a province in a “more simpler and expeditious manner”.

The PML-Q’s ‘note of reiteration’ also proposes that NWFP be named as the “Province of Sarhad”. It claims the PML-Q was not involved in the discussion between the PML-N and the ANP on the renaming of NWFP. It says the final name agreed on “does not reflect the aspirations of all segments of society in NWFP, and is not acceptable to the PML-Q”.

The PML-Q says that the omission of the concurrent would lead to “innumerable problems” and overburden the Council of Common Interests, which would “become a government within the government”. The party also asked the committee to curtail the right of a person to contest general elections from several seats. The former ruling party has also said that the cabinet should be held responsible for both the Houses of Parliament to give confidence to all the provinces. However, all of the party’s suggestions were turned down by the committee. Meanwhile, the ANP wanted Article 246 and Article 247 – which deals with FATA and PATA – to be omitted to allow the integration of the regions into the mainstream, pave the way for legislation by parliament and allow them to be governed under regular laws of the land.

In its ‘note of reiteration’, the party vowed to continue struggling until “this goal is achieved”. The ANP also wanted to amend Article 73 to make the Senate’s approval for money bills mandatory. The ANP had also proposed an amendment to Article 41, according to which “the president shall be elected on rotational basis from all federating units of the country, beginning from the numerically smaller federating units”. The party had proposed the withdrawal of the condition of being Muslim to qualify for election as the president of Pakistan. However, the ANP failed to convince the committee over its proposals.

The MQM had asked the constitutional reforms committee to devolve the Federal Legislative List Part I to the lowest level of the government. The MQM also wanted all ports to be handed over to provinces. The party also sought seats for overseas Pakistanis in the Lower House as well as in four provincial legislatures through amendments to Article 51 and 106, but the proposal was turned down.

The JI had said that the president be barred from exercising powers to grant pardon, reprieve and respite, and remit, suspend or commute any sentence passed by any court, tribunal or other authority, or at least in cases of punishments handed out under hudood or qisas, but the suggestion was not given weight.

About reserved seats for non-Muslims in the Senate, the JI said non-Muslims were equal citizens and should be elected on general, technocrat or women’s seats. It also objected to the promulgation of ordinances, saying it was a legacy of colonial rule, but could not attract the attention of other committee members. The religio-political party had also said that the cabinet, governors and ministers of states should be collectively responsible to the National Assembly and the Senate and the Prime Minister and the cabinet must be responsible to the Senate. It had further suggested that the Senate have equal role in the election of the prime minister and the government be responsible to both Houses of parliament. The party had further suggested that all international treaties, agreements and conventions be ratified by both Houses of parliament or at least by the Senate.

It had also proposed that no person be given in foreign custody from Pakistani soil without the permission of the high court of the province. However, the committee dropped all the recommendations.

The Jamhoori Watan Party, the Balochistan National Party-Awami and the National Party jointly proposed that the constitutional reforms committee declare Balochi, Sindhi, Pushto, Punjabi and Seraiki national languages. These parties had also recommended that money bills, including the finance bill, be approved by the Senate.

The BNP-Awami had suggested that the federation hand over all departments to provinces, except for defence, currency, communication and foreign affairs, but the suggestion was turned down.

The Pashtoonkhawah Milli Awami Party had suggested the creation of two more provinces in the country. It sought an amendment in Clause 2 of Article 1 to make Balochistan, Pashtoonkhawah, Pashtoonkhwa Southern, Punjab, Sindh and Saraikistan the federating units of the country. The party also suggested the majority in both Houses of parliament elect the leader of the Houses and the president ask him/her to be the prime minister and form a federal government. It also suggested that the cabinet, together with ministers of state, be collectively responsible to both Houses of Parliament instead of the National Assembly alone. It also suggested that appointments of ambassadors to foreign services and appointments of chairpersons to corporations be subject to the approval of the Senate.

The party also suggested an amendment to Article 247 of the constitution, saying the PATA, as enumerated in Article 246, be merged into the respective contiguous federating unit. It also called for FATA to be renamed as Pashtoonkhawah (central).

The party had further suggested that Punjabi, Sindhi, Balochi and Pashto be declared national languages and Urdu be the lingua franca.

The PML-N – after a deadlock towards the completion of the task assigned to the committee on the judges’ appointment – succeeded in convincing the committee that the seventh member of the judicial commission would be a former chief justice or a former judge of the Supreme Court, to be nominated by the chief justice in consultation with the two member judges. Earlier, the committee was of the view that the chief justice would nominate the seventh member of the commission. Consequently, the PML-N modified its note of reiteration dated March 24. The PPP-Sherpao proposed that NWFP be renamed as ‘Pukhtunkhawah’. The JUI-F had demanded a committee for “Islamic legislation”. It had also expressed dissatisfaction over the scope of provincial autonomy. The party had suggested that the federation hand over all departments to the provinces except defence, currency, communication and foreign affairs. It also sought the appointment of judges in line with the spirit of the Charter of Democracy, but the suggestions were turned down.

Re: Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

i dont like the no third term part.

other than that its all pretty good :k:

Re: Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

No. Major credit still goes to PPP as this change will come in their rule. So give credit where it is due keeping a side your biases and hatred. It will definite benefit PML(N) in future more than any other party. So PML(N) is not cooperating out of blue here. 

Re: Your views on 18th Amendment Bill?

The abolition of term limits harms Pakistan. Personality cult politics will now continue.

On the plus side, limiting presidential power is good. Pakistan's president was always intended to be a symbolic head of state.

Can Zardari do any good?

I was quite sceptical of Asif Ali Zardari when he became the president. However, as a president his government has had some major accomplishments, while no new major scandals about his corruption has come out. Still, for many posters here and in general public the opinion about him remains overly negative. Can he do anything good that people will give him credit for?

Off the top of my head, some of the accomplishments of the PPP governemnet has been

-- NFC award agreement. This was a very sensitive issue that was resolved amicably.
-- Terrorism and TTP control. At the end of Musharaf regime the situation was looking really bad. The present setup has had remarkable success in Swat and also in other areas. The PPP government has shown a clear steady resolve compared to a muddled approach of previous government.
-- Keeping inter-provincial situation in control. Balochistan is not the same flashpoint any more. The federal government has tried to control the emotions of Baloch nationalist with some success. Punjab government, even though a political oponent, has been allowed to function on its own and an alliance maintained there which is a first in Pakistan. In Sindh, MQM has been kept on board despite sentimental quarrels between Sindh PPP and MQM. Zardari has been quite instrumental in making sure the alliance remains intact there. NWFP/ Khyber Pakhtoonwa governemnt also has been kept happy with support on the naming issue and against TTP.

-- Judges restored
-- 18th amendment. Zardari may be the first Pakistani President to willingly give up his own powers in order to strengthen the system.
-- Foriegn relations with India, Afghanistan and US have been under control with a combination of flexibility and resolve.

I don't know enough about economic situation but perhaps someone else can tell if the major economic indicators have gotten better or worse since Zardari became president. Has food and power shortages gotten worse under him?

Giving up his own powers is a big deal and he should be given credit for that.

Re: Can Zardari do any good?

Agreed. Definitely credit goes to him what ever he has done as President of Pakistan in a very short period of time. His major achievement is changing the focus of people on jehadis issue, which was very much in favor of them in Mush’s time. Mush having absolute power did very little or nothing to stop the menace of jehadis.  Zaradari’s government has been quite successful in tackling and contending this crucial issue. However his image has not been improved so far because he is under constant attack by JI and its cronies who are basically against people’s rule. When they talk about corruption scandals, they only see Zardari as a main culprit and closing eyes on others.  He has been target of “bad accha bad naam burra” though he has proved in his  two years of tenure as President much better than present lot of politicians like chaudhrys of Gujrat etc, including opposition leaders like NS. 

Re: Can Zardari do any good?

he is doing a decent job as an "elected leader". We should commend him for being cool headed dude.

Allah maaf kuray if he had turned out to be a shur-pasand anasir like ahmdenejat.

If AZ keeps his KOOL, and continues his humble ways (unlike becoming another Zulfi) with the opposition, he is destined for a Pakistani nobel peace prize.

18th Constitutional Amendment......... Concurrent List

Last day National Assembly of Pakistan passed 18th Consitituional amendment bill.
It includes restoration of deletion of concurrent list as stipulated in 1973 consitition of Pakistan.

Any one here can explain what exactly means this concurrent list plus what changes could be expected in future due to its deletion in the legislation in pakistan.

Re: 18th Constitutional Amendment… Concurrent List

Good news

Dunya Tv
NA approves 18th Amendment Bill unanimously
The National Assembly has approved 18th Amendment unanimously by adopting 102 clauses and annulled the 17th Amendment besides approving the renaming of NWFP as Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa on Thursday.
No member of the National Assembly has voted against the 18th Amendment. Total 292 votes were cast by the NA members.
The bill repealed LFO as well as 17th amendment which were the symbols of dictatorial regime. General Zia-ul-Haq’s name has also been stricken out from the constitution.
The clauses adopted contained important ones like repeal of LFO and the Constitution (Seventeenth Amendment) Act 2003, renaming of NWFP as ‘Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa,’ Freedom of Association, Right to Information, Right to Education, Intra-Party elections, women seats, substitution of Article 58, increasing Senate seats to 104, increasing the days of Senate session from 90 to 110 days, qualification and disqualification of membership of Parliament, introduction and passing of bill, Omission of Article 71, number of Cabinet members, Speakers Provincial Assemblies to act as Governors in their absence, dissolution of provincial assembly, Local Government, Substitution of Article 143, Substitution of Federal Legislative List, Constitution of Council of Common Interest, Constitution of National Economic Council, shares of provinces in National Finance Commission, Amendment of Article 157, payment of royalty to provinces, province to raise domestic or international loans, appointment of Auditor General, constitution of Islamabad High Court, appointment of Judges, abolishment of Concurrent Legislative List and appointment of Chief Election Commissioner.
Except on the issue of renaming the NWFP, where PML-Q opposed the clause, and in some other cases where individual members moved amendments, all remaining clauses were adopted unanimously with two third majority.
The members moved amendments in clauses III, VI, VIII and clause XVI that were rejected by the House with majority vote. These clauses were then adopted by the House with votes not less than two/third of the total membership of National Assembly.
The NA passed Clause 17, of the 18th Amendment bill, 2010, to substitute Article 58 of the Constitution with ‘Dissolution of the National Assembly’. “Under the Clause, the President shall dissolve the National Assembly if so advised by the Prime Minister; and the National Assembly shall, unless sooner dissolved, stand dissolved at the expiration of 48 hours after the Prime Minister has so advised.
National Assembly on Thursday passed the Clause-3 of the 18th Amendment Bill, 2010 that deals with the renaming of NWFP province as “Khyber Pakhtunkhwa” and changing of spells of Balochistan and Sindh provinces.
The NA repealed the Legal Framework Order, 2002 (Chief Executive’s Order No. 24 of 2002), with majority of the vote. The House passed the clause two of the bill further to amend the Constitution (18th amendment) bill, 2010 with 258 votes in favour of the clause.

However

Damad e Sharif
didn’t vote

To cut the long story short, the concurrent list means the areas where the federal and provincial governments both can legislate but in case of conflict in those legislations, the federal one would prevail. It means that provinces have very little scope in terms of legislation and rule making.

Abolishing it would mean that provinces would be much more independent in making laws and rules regardless whether the federal government likes it or not.

Re: Can Zardari do any good?

I was so glad Zardari was leading Pakistan during the Mumbai attacks in India. He did handle the situation nicely. Had it been another one of those empty-headed generals, we would have much much more strained relations with India now.