and at one point in my life it worked perfectly fine..or as it was supposed to. **corrective surgery vs cosmetic **i guess ...hmm not even corrective reconstructive maybee??
But this particular eye issue can be corrected by wearing glasses and contacts. There is no actual "NEED" for surgery. Have you ever actually met anyone or heard of anyone who has Lasik b/c they could not get their vision fixed by wearing glasses or contacts? Just like the suggestion of the padded bra....why not tell someone wanting to get Lasik to wear glasses?
I disagree on calling Lasik "reconstructive". Reconstructive surgery is done to fix the appearance of a body part (ie. fixing how breasts look after a mastectomy OR some other body part after a severe accident/illness etc). When a person has bad vision....it doesn't change how the cornea looks to others. It's not like people look at other people and say "oh that cornea is bent/ugly/misshapen" whatever. Personally I've never heard of anyone feeling self-conscious or embarrased b/c their cornea wasn't shaped right. Yet plenty of people feel embarrased/self-conscious b/c of their breasts/nose/face/tummy etc.
Not assuming anything about you specifically......I'm just trying to understand why Lasik is any more acceptable than other surgeries done for cosmetic purposes. Or why is ok to use Retin A or other creams to try to prevent aging but not botox......especially since botox isn't changing anything to the body permanently.
Heck even IF a woman has a boob job to attract the opposite sex......why is that bad? Women do plenty of other things to look attractive when out in the public. Taking care of facial hair, make-up, wearing pretty clothes/heels...........but those are perfectly acceptable. When we see a woman wearing make-up, high heels, form fitting clothes etc........how many of us immediately think "oh well she's doing that to attract men"? Yet it's a very common assumption we make about breast enlargements/botox/tummy tucks etc. If a woman can wear MU/nice clothes/heels etc. just to feel pretty for herself (ie. self-confidence)..........why can't a woman get cosmetic surgery for the same reasons?
^ I think the main point of contention is that cosmetic procedures validate those feelings of inadequacy. There *was *something wrong, and now it's fixed. People probably feel that the message it sends is that the way your body looks is not okay. Surgery "fixes" your appearance without addressing the underlying issue: self image.
Oh Lord! Now we are we are down to comparing cosmetic creams with botox and fillers and whatnot? Whats next, eating bunch of greens also falls into the same category? Arguing for sake of arguing....all that just to prove a point whether an ordinary everyday women should put her face under a knife or not. Incredibly sad stuff.
Most girls who've had it done don't walk around with them hanging out all day (contrary to popular belief :D)..
I was an A-cup before I had surgery and I don't regret it one bit.. I did it for ME and no-one else..
I would have more work done but not anytime soon.. and only on my body, not my face.. That's just my personal preference (and the fact I'm not keen on needles)..
I'm not scared of ageing so the odd line or wrinkle in the future won't bother me.. I have a scar on my arm which I could have flattened with steroid injections or treated with laser but I choose not to.. Not all of us who have had cosmetic surgery are self-obsessed or on some slippery slope.. Many of us are actully sane and rational human beings who are capable of making informed decisions without getting carried away..
As has already been pointed out the line between 'vanity' and necessity can be quite blurred.. A cousin of mine has vitiligo.. wouldn't fixing that be cosmetic? A mild case of cleft palette isn't always a medical problem either.. or a lazy eyelid or 'disfigurement.'
Each to their owh.. Not sure why some feel the need to get so worked up..
But glasses and contacts are available for people to have 20/20 vision right? Yet people choose to have lasik (ie. SURGERY) to achieve the same thing. I wore glasses/contacts for almost 14 years and then finally chose to have Lasik in my mid 20's. The ONLY reason behind it was b/c I was annoyed by having to deal with glasses/contacts. There was no actual "need" for it. And I know plenty of people who have had Lasik done for the exact same reasons.
So what is your opinion (not you specifcally but a general Q) of a person who has Lasik done b/c they don't want to deal with wearing glasses/contacts? And how is it different from another person who....let's say doesn't want to deal with their crooked nose anymore? Or a woman who's tired of being a "A" cup and want to go to a "C"?
well no if someone with glasses went on a trip and lost contacts or broke their glasses and couldnt see well it could endanger them by not seeing signs clearly etc. even though they could get new glasses there is still a delay between getting the losing and getting the glasses where the person has poor health and is endangered.Personally my opinion on plastic surgery shouldnt matter to anyone who has or is considering plastic surgery.
I wanted to 'fix' the issue rather than stuff things up there temporarily.. I used to use chicken fillets but it felt a bit weird taking them out at the end of the day lol.. same with padded bras and a wonderbra doesn't do much to an A-cup anyway..
I can totally understand why a lot of girls would not want to go under the knife but for me it made sense..
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Personally i have less sympathy with those who have had boob jobs than say a nose job as their are many alternatives like breast fillets, padded bras and you say your clothes didnt fit you well then why didnt you just buy clothes that flattered your shape. Going to surgery on that fact that clothes didnt fit well is extreme and uneccessary...
Most girls who've had it done don't walk around with them hanging out all day (contrary to popular belief :D)..
I was an A-cup before I had surgery and I don't regret it one bit.. I did it for ME and no-one else..
I would have more work done but not anytime soon.. and only on my body, not my face.. That's just my personal preference (and the fact I'm not keen on needles)..
I'm not scared of ageing so the odd line or wrinkle in the future won't bother me.. I have a scar on my arm which I could have flattened with steroid injections or treated with laser but I choose not to.. Not all of us who have had cosmetic surgery are self-obsessed or on some slippery slope.. Many of us are actully sane and rational human beings who are capable of making informed decisions without getting carried away..
As has already been pointed out the line between 'vanity' and necessity can be quite blurred.. A cousin of mine has vitiligo.. wouldn't fixing that be cosmetic? A mild case of cleft palette isn't always a medical problem either.. or a lazy eyelid or 'disfigurement.'
Each to their owh.. Not sure why some feel the need to get so worked up..
There is no such thing as 'mild cleft palette' dear trust me i know what im talking about since this is the field i would like to work in.. Cleft palate leads to speach difficulties, teeth decay, hearing difficulties, jaw development issues and ear infections . BUT im sure non of that compares with the psychological issues with have small breast... ( you spelt palate wrong as well). all cleft palate requries surgery please research before claiming what is and isnt a medical problem. If it wasn't a medical problem the NHS wouldnt fund the surgery now would they?
^You're totally right...I support a charity that operates in developing countries for the welfare of kids born with cleft lip and palate and those kids have severe problems with eating and talking...and not to forget the mental trauma.
Comparing beauty enhancement with such scenarios is totally outrageous.
No worries arabiannights, I dpn’t need your ‘sympathy’ :rolleyes:
I had an issue and I chose to deal with it the way I wanted to..
And I spelled ‘cleft palette’ the way we sometimes do here in the UK.. I do actually know about the condition.. I come from a family of doctors..
'A mild form of a cleft lip is a microform cleft.[SUP][2]](Cleft lip and cleft palate - Wikipedia)[/SUP] A microform cleft can appear as small as a little dent in the red part of the lip or look like a scar from the lip up to the nostril’
I know the possible problems that can be associated with the condition but it isn’t always the case.. obviously..
The NHS also funds boob jobs, doesn’t it? As well as cosmetic scar treatment.. Looks like it’s you who needs to do your research ‘dear’
Instead of being so criitical of others you should look in the mirror (you didn’t even spell ‘speech’ correctly yourself).. You clearly don’t know as much as you think you do about the NHS or hospital treatment in the UK in general..
Seems to be a pattern of those who are so judgemental of the choices that others make..
^You're totally right...I support a charity that operates in developing countries for the welfare of kids born with cleft lip and palate and those kids have severe problems with eating and talking...and not to forget the mental trauma.
Comparing beauty enhancement with such scenarios is totally outrageous.
Absolutly i saw people first hand with cleft palate and i was so heart broken at their suffering and how their just wanted to live normally which is the reason why i became a little angry when she mentioned cleft palate surgery isnt a neccessity but i didnt mean to.
Another reason why the NHS is overdue for major shake up in certain departments. Its so open to blatant use and abuse in certain areas, its an absolute disgrace.
The boob job is for people suffering for psychological issues as a result of their breasts. Your clearly stated below that you did it for more “physical reasons”. I would love to continue arguing but i have work to do so toodles and Trust me i know more than you..
^Why don't you try and refute that quote then with actual facts then instead of just your opinion?
Obviously not all cases are severe.. You can't seriously be denying that correction is** always **reconstructuive..
I've already pointed out the errors in your previous post.. You need to do more research...
Jplie, I don't agree with boob jobs being offered by the NHS either when there are many ppl out there who don't have access to Cancer drugs and so on because of the cost.. If someone chooses to pay for it themselves I don't think it's anyone else's business but the state should not pick up the cost..
^Why don't you try and refute that quote then with actual facts then instead of just your opinion?
Obviously not all cases are severe.. You can't seriously be denying that correction is** always **reconstructuive..
I've already pointed out the errors in your previous post.. You need to do more research...
Jplie, I don't agree with boob jobs being offered by the NHS either when there are many ppl out there who don't have access to Cancer drugs and so on because of the cost.. If someone chooses to pay for it themselves I don't think it's anyone else's business but the state should not pick up the cost..
I never mentioned if i agree or disagree with plastic surgery i dont think all surgery has to be reconstructive and i do support plastci surgery if you read my first post i said i would QUESTION in my mind the reasons of women getting a boob job i didnt say i think its wrong but you attacked me claiming i thought all women wanted boob jobs to impress men etc. Frankly i just dont have time to argue which is the reason why i didnt refute your first quote since i have exams... ( applying for medicine fingers crossed)
^You're totally right...I support a charity that operates in developing countries for the welfare of kids born with cleft lip and palate and those kids have severe problems with eating and talking...and not to forget the mental trauma.
Comparing beauty enhancement with such scenarios is totally outrageous.
Thats a wonderful cause mashallah, allah will grant you deeds after you die when these kids are alive for every day the surgery has improved their lives :)
The boob job is for people suffering for psychological issues as a result of their breasts. Your clearly stated below that you did it for more "physical reasons". I would love to continue arguing but i have work to do so toodles :) and Trust me i know more than you..;)
If you knew more you would have known there's no test for 'psychological' reasons.. The girl just has to say she is unhappy with the size of her breasts.. You obviously don't have much (if any) experience in healthcare because you would have know that as well as the fact that the NHS also provides COSMETIC scar treatment and other similar procedures free of charge.. oh and the comment about 'there's no such thing as mild cleft palate.'ry
Rather than being emotional try learning the facts.. and I highly doubt you're a medical student (ihere in the UK anyway).. I know more than you about the NHS and I didn't even study medicine..
[mod]We don't need to agree with each other and its ok for someone else to have a different view. Its also possible to share/defend our views without being snappy.
and Trust me i know more than you..