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and we see the sudden departure from all the talk on logic, to that about our senses being limited. so very typical. :)
in the end, god is nothing but a manifestation of the fear of the unknown. aka he is beyond our comprehension, and similar rhetoric.
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Are you implying that to say that our senses are limited is not logical? Mayhap your personal dictionary needs some polishing.
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Here is a detailed answer on this topic.
http://allaboutislam.blogspot.com/
This is my blog about Islam. On post number 3 you can find your answer.
Regards
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Dont kid yourself (“He’s been at me to answer in this thread”) One PM and two posts are not at me. The reason I wanted to hear your view was becasue of a statement that you made in post #7 I just wanted to see how you derived to that conclusion or was it another weak attempt at humor. It turns out it was neither. Thats all. Now shooo away.
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You asked for my comments, you got em. Now scat. 
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All religions basically teach followers to do good deeds. Why should a person only follow Islam? Can he not follow any of the religions?
** Question**
*** All religions basically teach followers to do good deeds. Why should a person only follow Islam? Can he not follow any of the religions?
** Answer**
** 1. Major difference between Islam and most other religions**
All religions basically exhort mankind to be righteous and eschew evil. But Islam goes beyond that. It guides us towards practical ways of achieving righteousness and eliminating evil from our individual and collective lives. Islam takes into account human nature and the complexities of human society. Islam is guidance from the Creator Himself. Therefore, Islam is also called the Deen-ul-Fitrah (the natural religion of Man).
** 2. Example - Islam commands us to shun robbery and also prescribes method of eleminating robbery
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a. Islam prescribes method of eliminating robbery
All major religions teach that theft is an evil act. Islam teaches the same. So what is the difference between Islam and the other religions? The difference lies in the fact that Islam, besides teaching that robbing is evil, shows a practical way of creating a social structure in which people will not rob.
** b. Islam prescribes Zakaat**
Islam prescribes a system of Zakaat (obligatory annual charity). Islamic law prescribes that every person who has a saving that exceeds the nisaab level i.e. more than 85 grams of gold, should give 2.5% of that saving every lunar year in charity. If every rich person in the world gave Zakaat sincerely, poverty will be eradicated from this world. Not a single human being would die of hunger.
** c. Chopping off the hands as punishment for robbery**
Islam prescribes chopping off the hands of the convicted robber. The Glorious Qur’an says in Surah Maidah:
"As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands:a punishment by way
of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power, full of wisdom." Al-Qur’an 5:38]
The non-Muslim may say, "Chopping off the hands in this 20th century. Islam is a barbaric and ruthless religion!"
** d. Results achieved when Islamic Shariah Implemented**
America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries in the world. Unfortunately it also has one of the highest rates of crime, theft, and robbery. Suppose the Islamic shariah is implemented in America i.e. every rich person gives Zakaat ( 2.5% of his savings in charity above 85 grams of gold every lunar year), and every convicted robber has his or her hands chopped off as a punishment. Will the rate of theft and robbery in America increase, remain same or decrease? Naturally it will decrease. Moreover the existence of such a stringent law would discourage many a potential robber.
I agree that the amount of theft that takes place in the world today is so tremendous that if you chop off the hands of all the thieves, there will be tens of thousands of people whose hands will be chopped off. The point here is that the moment you implement this law the rate of theft will decline immediately. The potential robber would give it a serious thought before jeopardizing his limbs. The mere thought of the punishment itself will discourage majority of the robbers. There will barely be a few who would rob. Hence only a few person’s hands would be chopped off but millions would live peacefully without fear of being robbed.
Islamic Shariah is therefore practical, and achieves results.
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3. Example: Islam prohibits the molestation and rape of women. It enjoins hijaab and prescribes capital punishment for a convicted rapist.
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*** 1. Islam prescribes method of eliminating molestation and rape***
All the major religions declare the molestation and rape of women as grave sins. Islam teaches the same. What then is the difference between Islam and the other religions? The difference lies in the fact that Islam does not merely preach respect for women, or abhor molestation and rape as serious crimes, but also gives clear guidance as to how society can eliminate such crimes.
*** 2. Hijaab for men***
Islam has a system of hijaab. The Glorious Qur’an first mentions hijaab for the men and then for the women. Hijaab for the men is mentioned in the following verse:
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do." [Al-Qur’an 24:30]
The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.
*** 3. Hijaab for women***
Hijaab for women is mentioned in the following verse:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons...." [Al-Qur’an 24:31]
The extent of hijaab for a woman is that her complete body should be covered. The only part that can be seen, are the face and the hands up to the wrists. If they wish to cover, they can even cover these parts of the body. However some Islamic scholars insist that even the face should be covered.
*** 4. Hijaab prevents molestation
The reason why Allah has prescribed Hijaab for the women is given in the Qur’an in the folowing verse of Surah Al-Ahzab:
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women,that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, most Merciful." [Al-Qur’an 33:59]
The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women this would prevent them from being molested.
Suppose two sisters who are twins and who are equally beautiful, walk down a street. One of them is wearing the Islamic Hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered except for the face and the hands up to the wrists, and the other twin is wearing a mini skirt or shorts. Around the corner there is a hooligan who is waiting for an opportunity to tease a girl. Who will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the mini skirt or shorts? Dresses that expose more than they conceal, are an indirect temptation to the opposite sex for teasing, molestation and rape. The Qur’an rightly says that the hijaab prevents women from being molested.
*** 6. Capital punishment for rapist***
The Islamic shariah prescribes capital punishment for a convicted rapist. The non-Muslim may be horrified at such a stringent punishment in this age. Many accuse Islam of being ruthless and barbaric. I have asked a common question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose God-forbid, some one rapes your wife, your mother or your sister and you are made the judge. The rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said, "we would put him to death." Some went to the extent of saying, "we would torture him to death", If your wife or your mother is raped you want the rapist to be put to death. But if someone else’s wife or mother is raped, capital punishment is a barbaric law. Why the double standards?
The United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. An F.B.I report in the year 1990 says that 1,02,555 cases of rape were reported. It further says that only 16% of the cases of rapes are reported. Thus, in order to know the actual number of rapes that took place in 1990, the reported figure should be multiplied by 6.25. We get a total of 6,40,968 rape cases that took place in the year 1990. If the total is divided by 365 the number of days in a year, we get an average of 1,756 rape incidents everyday.
Later another report said that an average of 1900 cases of rape are committed in U.S.A every day. According to National Crime Victimization Survey Bureau of Justice Statistics (U. S. Dept. of Justice) in 1996 alone 3,07,000 cases of rape were reported. Only 31% of the actual cases of rape were reported. Thus, 3,07,000 X 3.226 = 9,90,322 rapes took place in 1996. That is, an average of 2,713 cases of rape took place everyday in America in 1996. Every 32 seconds one rape is taking place in America. Maybe American rapists got bolder. The FBI report of 1990 continues and says that out of the rape cases that were reported only 10% of the rapist were arrested, that is only 1.6% of the actual rapes committed. Out of those arrested, 50% were let free before the trial. This would mean that only 0.8% of the rapists faced a trial. In other words if a person commits 125 rapes the chances that he will get a punishment for rape is only once. Many would consider this a good gamble. And the report says that of those people who faced trial 50% received sentences of less than a year’s imprisonment though the American law says rape carries a seven year sentence of imprisonment. For a rapist, the judge is lenient to first time offenders. Imagine a person commits 125 rapes and the chances of being convicted is only once, and 50% of the time the judge will grant leniency and give a sentence of less than a year!
*** 4. Islam has Practical Solutions for the Problems of Mankind***
Islam is the best way of life because its teachings are not doctrinaire rhetoric but practical solutions for the problems of mankind. Islam achieves results both at the individual and collective levels. Islam is the best way of life because it is a practical, universal religion not confined to any ethnic group or nationality.
Re: your god my god
OMG - make up ur mind, this is the same post you put in the christian thread, are you spreading the joy without bothering to read the discussion? we have enough of that going around and it is too long with nothing relating to thread..
Try to actually post something that comes close to the discussion in the thread.
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OMG - make up ur mind, this is the same post you put in the christian thread, are you spreading the joy without bothering to read the discussion? we have enough of that going around and it is too long with nothing relating to thread..
Try to actually post something that comes close to the discussion in the thread.
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I think my answer relates to this thread. And the question about cross posting it, it is because it is having answers for both threads. And you can see similarities in my answers, it is because I am a member of IRF. I prepare my Q&As with ful knowledge of all the related books. And then I give the same asnwer to any related subject.
Is it clear?
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Nope, not yet, still haven't said anything that is relevant to the topic that isn't a cut and paste.
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Yes it is cut and paste from my website. I am a Member of Islamic Research Foundation (IRF). Thats why my answers look same, because I deliver them to common topics.
Is it clear or not?
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OMG - no, it isn't clear yet because basically you pasted why someone should follow Islam and dodged the question that was asked for the thread. Or is that the point of the cut and paste, to say, sure, my God is bigger and badder? Because it wasn't clear what your stance is. Cut and paste is nice sometimes when it is relevant, sure, but opinion also is nice too. As for the membership, good for you.
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Is it logically unsound to assume God exists?
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Ah, the arrogance of those who make God in their image.
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Good question, Queer.
How is everyone so sure God existed, just is, was always, etc etc. everything has a cause, a seminal point, even if the seminal point is a point in a circle. Before God, energy had to be created. where did that come from? And how can God form in a vacuum, how would he know he’s God? If we can’t answer that we sure can’t assume things like there is only 1 God and he hates unbelievers. As a christian I am supposed to believe that but it’s obvious it was made up by religious institutions either becuase they ddint know better, or they wanted to control people through fear. get them too scared to think and question and they will not be a headache?
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That my dear was a joke- the post of mine which you quoted. Ive got tons of other er serious posts give those a try. Its not arrogance - I like to call it faith.
Er why on earth would God hate people? Mayhap you need to double check. Plus I know for a fact we didnt just appear. When was the last time something appeared out of thin air. If you’re questioning His existence- what proof do you have that He DOESNT exist? :o
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yes metromomma, this god fellow doesnt hate unbelievers, he loves them too. but he will still roast them in eternal hellfire. hate is a strong word, please do not use it. hell, however is a relatively mild concept.
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Men have ascribed to God imperfections that they would deplore in themselves.
-W. Somerset Maugham
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I saw your er other posts too. Faith to you er arrogance to me.
Do you deny that Christian (OT especially) and Islamic scriptures sometimes put down unbelievers?
YOu seem to know a lot of things. Including the fact that I am questioning his existence which I didn’t. In fact I believe in God and Christ’s teachings. But that doesn’t mean those teachings came from God directly, they could have, or they might not have. What’s stopping us from thinking like scientists and explorers? That was the point I was trying to make.
You have me utterly confused by attributing to me words I did not write, wen did i say we appeared out of thin air? anyway, let’s hear what you think are God’s and our origins.