Your favorite biddat

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A Bid’ah is that innovation which came into practice after the blessed age of the Prophet (salall laahu alaihi wasallam) be it worldly or religious.

Some people say that to celebrate the Meelad, Esaale Sawaab for the deceased, making Fateha after the Janazah Salaah, etc. to be Bid�ah and in some cases as Haraam. They say these were not practised in the time of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).

We will now list a few things, which were not during the blessed age of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) but were innovated afterwards and made part and parcel of religion:

     1. Construction of Madressas,
         
     2. Dividing the Quran into thirty parts,
         
     3. Marking the expressions on the Holy Quran, viz. Fatha, Kasra, Dhamma (Zabbar, Zer, Pesh),
         
     4. Printing the Holy Book and other religious books in the press,
         
     5. The compilation of I'lm-e-Hadith and Fiqh,
         
     6. To put down the Holy verses of the Quran in paper form, etc.

All the above-mentioned things are Bid�ahs, which were not in the blessed age of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) but are considered religious. Those who say that Moulood and Fateha are Bid�ahs because those religious affairs which were innovated after the blessed age of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) should have a look at the above list and show us which of these two things are not included in the religion and which was there in the blessed age?

The Hadith: “Whosoever invents a new thing in our religion is rejected” means that whoever innovates a new belief or whoever innovates a new action which is in contradiction with the Kitaab and Sunnah will be rejected.

The books “Shaami” and "Mirqaat"say that Bid’ah is of five categories, viz. Ja’iz, Waajib, Mustahab, Makruh and Haraam.

We will have to omit many things which are known to be part and parcel of religion but were innovated after the blessed age of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) such as the Masaa’ils of Fiqh, the four Madhabs, viz. Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki, Hanbali; the Tariqas, viz. Nashbandiyya, Qaderiyya, Chistiyya, Shuhruwardiyya, Alwiyya, etc.; the denominations of the Sufiyya-Ikraam; the categorisation of the six Kalimahs, Imaan-e-Mujmal, Imaan-e-Mufassal; the division of the Holy Quran into 30 parts; the compilation of the knowledge of Hadith and the categorisation of Hadiths, i.e. Sahih, Da’if, Hassan, Mu’addal, etc.; the construction of madressa and arrangement of their syllabuses; and to set a course for achieving the degree of Aalim and Qari and to present certificates on the completion of the course to the respective students, etc. will all be Haraam if we accept a statement that all Bid’ahs are Haraam and there is nothing like Bid’ah-e-Hasana.

In fact, there is no act of Shari’ah or Tariqah, which is void of Bid’ah. Then how much will you try to avoid such a Haraam (as you say) when it is surrounding your whole religious activity. So, therefore, all Bid’ahs are not Haraam but only those, which contradict with the Kitaab and Sunnah.

Bid’ah Amali (innovated action) is classified in two:-

  1. Bid’ah-e-Hasana (praiseworthy innovation) is that action which does not contradict with the Holy Quran and the Sunnah and was brought into practice after the time of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) for example, to construct religious institutions, to print the Holy Quran in the press, to hold gatherings of Meelad, to eat nice food and to put on attractive clothes, etc. Bid’ah-e-Hasana is not only permissable (Ja’iz) but at times it can be appreciable (Mustahab) and even essential (Waajib).

  2. Bid’ah-e-Sai’iyya (offensive innovation) is that action which was not in practice in the blessed age of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and which contradicts with the Holy Quran and the Sunnah, for example to say the Khutba of Eid or Jum’a in a language other than Arabic, etc. Bid’ah-e-Sai’iyya can be Makruh Tanzhi or Makruh Tahrimi or even Haraam.

Bid’ah-e-Hasana is further divided into three categories:-

  1. Bid’ah Ja’iz (Permissable): is that action which the Shari’ah prohibited and which is done without expecting any reward or punishment for it. For example, partaking in a variety of delicious dishes or wearing nice and attractive clothing, etc.

  2. Bid’ah Mustahab (appreciable): is that act which is done with an anticipation for earning reward, for example to celebrate the Meelad-un-Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) or to pray Fateha for the souls of deceased Muslims, etc. If is is done with the intention of gaining rewards, he will gain reward for it, and if one does not do it, he will not be reprimanded for it.

  3. Bid’ah Waajib (essential): is that new action which has not been prohibited in the Shari’ah but to omit it will lead to critical complications in the religion. For example, to put the expressions (I’raab) in the Holy Quran such as Fatha, Kasra and Dhumma, to constuct madressas for teaching the Holy Quran and Hadith and to learn and teach the knowledge of nahv (Arabic syntax), etc. are all Bid’ah Wajib.

Offensive Bid’ah is categorised in two:-

  1. Bid’ah Makruh (abominable): is that innovation the performing of which will lead to the annihilation of a Sunnah. If a Ghaiyr Mu’akkidah Sunnah is annihilated then it is Makruh Tanzihi and if a Mu’akkidah Sunnah is annihilated then it is Makruh Tahrimi. For example, to pray the Eid Khutba in a language other than Arabic, etc. is Bid’ah Makruh Tahrimi.

  2. Bid’ah Haraam (prohibited): is that innovation which will lead to the annihilation of a Waajib. For example, the introductions of beliefs which are in contradiction with the Kitab and Sunnah, such as Qadriyya who believe, that man has got all the power to do whatever he wishes, etc.

The first volume of “Ashi’atul Lam’aat” (Babul I’tisaam) says about Bid’ah Hasana and Sai’iyya under the Hadith: “Every Bid’ah is a delusion (misleading)” that any Bid�ah which is in accordance with the principles, the canons of Islamic Law and the Sunnah and has been deduced analogically from the Quran or Sunnah (through Qiyas) is Bid’ah-e-Hasana and that which is in contrasts to the above definition is Bid’ah-e-Sai’iyya.

A Hadith in “Miskhat” under Babul-I’lm says: “He who sets a good precedent in Islam, there is reward for him for this (act of goodness) and a reward for him also who acts according to it subsequently, without any deduction from their rewards and he who sets in Islam an evil precedent there is upon him the burden of that, and the burden of him also who acts upon it subsequently, without any deduction from their burdens.”

From this Hadith we see that to introduce a nice way in Islam which is in accordance with the Holy Quran and Sunnah will induce rewards and to do vice versa will provoke punishment.

In the preface of the book, “Shaami”, under Faza’il Imam Abu Hanifa (radi Allahu anhu), it is written: “The scholars say these Ahadith are the canons of Islam and that is whoever introduces a bad way in Islam, he will get the burden of the sins of all those who act upon it and whoever introduces a nice way he will get reward of all those who act upon it till the Day of Judgement”.

For those who still are in doubt, must visit http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/fiqh/bidah_a_detailed_explanation.html

Re: Your favorite biddat

there was no need of those things during the time of Prophet. There was need of them after Prophet and Sahaba passed away. Biddat is one the one whose need was there even in the time of prophet and did not happen and now we bring it as part of religion.

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maiN ne is page se pahle waale page par [Reply #20] jo maiN samajhtaa huN vo bid'a kii ta'reef [definition] pesh kii hai...aap dekh lijiye k vo aapko kaisi lagii?**

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che piddi che piddi ka shorba ..

meri kiya haisiyat janaab ke main aisay maamalon main apni raa'ye de sakoon. :D

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lol..zabardast kahaavat likhi aapne...vaise, piddi ka pata hai na? ;) haha

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off topic but piddi chotee chiryaa ko kehtay hain shayad

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@Amarbail](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/members/amarbail.html)
Very interesting post. Thankyou

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ji off topic aur aapke sawaal kaa jawaab yeh hai k piddi ek Khush aawaaz chhoTii sii chiRyaa hai [female] aur piddaa [male] hotaa hai...majaazan Haqeer, kam taaqat, ma'moolii cheezon ko bhii piddi kah dete haiN...

...iskaa ek aur naam bhii hai jo ziyaada mash'hoor hai aur vo hai...phudkii :D**

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Arguing on biddat can also be considered biddat.

There will never be a satisfying answer for all on this.

In any borderline matters, do what you think is good based on your own sincere search, without causing problem or forcing on to others.......and wait for final day for results of your actions.

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Thankyou Amarbail. Nice elaboration, quite educational :k:

TLK , KKF !

Sir please elaborate your stance on 3 talaq in one sitting ? Do you think it is a biddat or not ? Explain !

In my view it brutally contradicts Quran’s code of conduct, and crystal clear violation of documented SOP for Talaq written in holy quran.

Threee Talaq in one sitting is impossible as per quranic Jurisdiction.

IT is 100% biddah, and it is unacceptable for ME, because it against quranic orders. Why do majority of muslim endorse it ? Are they blind or they cant understand quran’s explicit orders ?

Why Sunni folks ( I am sunni btw) wholeheartedly follow this biddat ? Despite the fact that it is clear violation quranic order ?

I will anxiously wait for your explanation of these statements.

i) Proof
ii)Quran Allows immediate divorce

Keep in mind, the topic of discussion is general trend in our society. The divorce between muslim married couples who have lived together for some time.

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most important point first
“From among the lawful acts to Allah, the most detested is Talaq”

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nevermind.

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Thankyou for posting a link of detailed explanation.

A careful study of Quranic verses substantiate the fact that A Talaq (One Talaq) is a procedure. A Divorce between husband and wife who have lived together, is not complete without completion of a clearly defined stipulated period. It is called Iddat

2nd Talaq can not start unless the procedure of first talaq has been completed. Again 2nd Talaq has the same procedure. For understanding and reference read chapter 2 , verses 200-270.

^ This is not a quote from any scholar. I am writing it here. I am not an angel neither am free from sin/errors. If you think I am wrong, Tell me where I am wrong in my understanding of Quranic verses on this issue. I will gladly correct my self.

For All muslims It is rule that one should seek guidance from holy quran then from sunnah and then from Sahaba/scholars.

Do you find any thing missing in holy quran on procedure for Divorce ?

Do not skip my question and vanish from this discussion, as people have done in past numerous times :flower1:

Note :

I am neither denier of Sunnat nor Ahadith of holy prophet (pbuh). I regard them very highly.

I do respect Islamic Scholar of All sects. But I can question any of them and seek answers.

I respect Sahaba (ra) and Tabaen but do not consider them error free. They have themselves asked fellow muslim to correct them where they find their order, ruling wrong in the light of holy Quran.

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When did they divide Quran into thirty Paras and was there a need to divide Quran into 30 paras ?

Off Topic

One thing thats great about you Code_Red is, that we all defend the religion we got from the house we were born in e.g, If a shia on this forum was born in a sunni parents house he wud be preaching/defeding Sunni Islam here and If a sunni on this forum was born in a shia parents house he wud be preaching/defending Shia Islam here… Off course this isn’t true for all users and Specially its not true for u Code_Red, if all of us cud think like you, debates on this Religion forum wud actually help us learn Islam.

I have observed that you argue to defend Truth and Preach Truth and I didnt make this observation on this thread or in your recent threads but I have noticed it a while ago, Your recent posts in last few weeks Just confirmed that my observation was rite.

Wasalam
Aqeel

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Just a suggestion but it would be helpful to look at the incidents involving famous Talaqs from the period of the salaf.There are differences amongst them with respect to many aspects pertaining to ahkam maybe there are different ways of skinning the proverbial cat

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obviously im not qualified to give you the complete lowdown on a subject so complex, where hukm comes from Allah SWT in the Quran and we learn more from the authenticated saying of his Messenger SAW

from what i can gather one talaq is divorced. this enters into iddah period. depending on type of divorce issued (whether straightforward or implied with intent ie talag-e-rajii or talaq-e-bain) you may reconcile with a renewed nikah or by revoking talaq yourself - this depends on type of talaq issued. the straight forward talaq can be revoked by taking it back

from what i can gather once the iddah period is over you are divorced. this apears to be the sinless way to divorce, that is if the couple have tried to genuinely reconcile, ie sought two reconcilers one from each side, and two witnesses for divorce. i would say to those who are merely looking to divorce unjustly to fear Allah

a second talaq is same as first, ie revokable

third talaq is irrevocable, and the couple are islamically divorced with only chance of getting back togather being if the woman marries someone else and is volunatarily divorced once again from a consumated marriage

the three talaqs (in a rush) is sin for which there is no worldly punishment. but Allah is All Knowing and if recompense is owed we will pay

at the same time three talaqs is irrevokable divorce, the vast majority of cases the rola concerning this is that the husband was only doing dramabazi and regrets his actions.
obviously this is a subject which needs a mufti to look at each individual case.

if you have a different take please share your translation of the Quran verses. or even if my perception is wrong feel free to correct

what you are stating here is standard ahulsunnah beliefs

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My favourite biddat...

Oh so many to choose from...

Agressive Jihad...

Sufi music/Quwali music...

Milaad e Paak.

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^ salam
bro aggressive wars are not a bidaat ! what do you think campaigns are after ghazwa-e-khandaq ?

Yemen, taif, Makkah, khyber, autas and many smaller expeditions are not wars simply in self defence.Furthermore conquests in time of sayyidna abubakr and sayyidna umar were aggressive
and there is NO disagreement within any groups of sahaba about their legitimacy

bidaat regarding conquests are :

Uneven distribution of spoils of war
Making peace with non-muslims while fighting muslims
taxing jiziya on LAND rather than the population

these manhoos biddahs are the innovation of muawiyah and ummayyads

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Wassalaam brother I am fully aware of My deens history.

Khandaak was a defensive war… the aggressive Jihads all took place after Rasool Allah Salalaho Alayhi Wassalaam passed this world. So in the words of many a Najdee/Wahabee/Salfee Molvi Sahaab :fraudia:

Those wars are Biddat Naooozbillah…

To which folk like me and yourself will rightly say **********

And if they are Biddaat then bah Khuda I am a proud Bidateee :omg:

So yeah agressive Jihad zindabaad!

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my head tilted to right as i saw the title.