Your Exsistence and GOD

I am not expert of any religion, and cant really debate over anything but I am somewhat following other thread "God is not great’. I have few question for atheist fellows… Hopefully in this thread we keep respect for each other coz thats what Religion teaches, and thats what atheists wud like too.

My question is general but am sure it wud be a question upon question and thread will develop. Purpose of this thread is not to impose my believes on any one. I just want increase my general knowledge. so question…

What is ur believe abt our exsistence ?
you are here coz of your parents, and they came from their parents and so on…to Adam and eve ? Where did they come from ?

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I find it that it satisfying for me to study science and what it reveals through PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, about our past; as opposed to saying "everything is made my allah mia" without any proof.

let me give you AN example:
Richard Lenski watched some populations of E. coli for like 30,000 generations, and eventually they developed a whole new freaking gene that allowed them to metabolize citrate.

Another would be:
The reason people get flu shots every year is because, well, the bacteria evolve through evolution to understand and FIGHT the antibiotics. So we have to make new antibiotics as a result.

So, to me, science offers answers that I can see and understand through a process. Religion offers no such thing. No amount of belief makes something a fact. That is why I have abandoned islam/belief in god.

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imagine what can happen through millions of years of evolution.

adaptations are the key.

our existence? well we can only try to find out. but we’re all only here for a limited time, so lets stop taking ourselves so seriously :phati:

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Okay the answers weren't as clear as my question.

What I get from it is..... We worked our way up from monkeys and fishes and frogs e.t.c now where did they come from ?

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Link me to that paper. They did not develop a new gene out of scratch, provided you are referring to the paper that I have read and am thinking about. It was a mutation in an existing gene.

Even then, it was not random. There are hot spots on DNA which are more prone to mutation, so it is not random in any sense of the word.

May this Allah mia put some aqal in you and if not then may He smite you.

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If you pay for lexus nexus, you should be able to view the paper.

As far as allah mia is concerned, I am not afraid of things that do not exist.

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That statement already assumes that Allah does not exist, for which you have no conclusive fool proof evidence, and neither do I. Of course no one is afraid of things that do not exist. Tell me something new.

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Pardon me Dr. but this is the most pathatic answer I ever heard from an atheist. Your answer is like I am saying my profile's logo is in black with red text and blue flames. You see it by your eyes than accept it and believe what I am saying is true and without any further investigation about it you 'believe'. But hay! wait a minute. Tell me one thing that who created, designed, drafted this logo? When it was designed, created or drafted first? Where does this idea came from? The one who created, designed or drafted can show me how he did? To save oneself from all troubles of further investigations of above questions, one just believe what presented to him as already scientifically proven thing. Here is the example of Dr. Jeffery Lang:

Dr. Jeffrey Lang (b. 1954) was born as a Catholic but became an atheist during his high school years despite the efforts of his Catholic teacher and parents to convince him of the existence of God. He remained an atheist for the next 10 years throughout his undergraduate, graduate, and doctoral studies. He accepted Islam in early 1980's and authored two books: "Struggling to Surrender" (1994) and "Even Angels Ask" (1997). He said: "For those whom Islam has embraced, the greatest witness to God’s unremitting, pursuing, sustaining, and guiding love is the Qur’an. Like a vast magnificent ocean, it lures you deeper and deeper into its dazzling waves until you are swept into it. But instead of drowning in a sea of darkness, as described above, you find yourself immersed in an ocean of divine light and mercy. … as I read the Qur’an and prayed the Islamic prayers, a door to my heart was unsealed and I was immersed in an overwhelming tenderness. Love became more permanent and real than the earth beneath my feet; its power restored me and made it so that even I could feel love … I was happy enough to have found faith in a sensible religion. But I never expected to be touched by such intoxicating mercy."

Question is how he accepted Islam from atheism? If you see his video clips he said that being an atheist, he was reading the Book (Holy Quran) and after reading the very beginning verses from first Chapter he shocked that these are the same questions which were in his mind and couldn't find answers of these but he found in this book which in exist since 1400 hundred years ago.

I am not saying to you that you may accept the religion 'Islam' but I am trying to say you that if you believe in 'new freaking gene' or in 'bacteria' than do some research on it by yourself, than come up with a solid point rather than sitting at a place and mumbling that there is no God'.

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^ lots of text…

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So?

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Fairysangel,

These are not my personal findings, but I work in a field that verifies and uses it everyday. These things I mentioned have been accepted in major science journals on earth, and agreed upon by scientists studying sciences in hundreds of fields across 7 continents. Science makes assumptions based on reality, and then works to prove those assumptions. We know more day by day and the ignorance recedes day by day.

religion doesn't offer any evidence to me. It makes claims in a book, which means the burden of proof is on the book lovers.

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No one questioned the validity. What we are questioning is your conclusion that God does not exist from such a piece of data. You have not provided any further evidence to substantiate your claims against my critique of "new freaking gene."

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listen to this, please:

Sam Harris simply destroys catholicism - YouTube

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i have to ask the religious people - what is it that makes you want to keep coming at atheists? why can't you just keep your beliefs to yourself? its okay to have them, but if you start discussing them, you should realize they will be criticized and picked at from an objective standpoint, and very often this leads to khoji-diwana syndrome of abuse.

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Seriously, queer? How many religious people are there on GS, how many years have you been here for, how many of them are you friends with, how many of them don't keep their beliefs to themselves and how many abuse you for your views?

The past few days that the atheists have been questioning religion, you didn't care to ask them what is it that makes them keep coming at religion, but now in this thread questioning atheists (which wasn't started with the intention to mock atheists by Pakilarka), you've suddenly been victimised by the religious fanatics? The abuse you mentioned, I was the first one to report that filth yesterday but hey I was just being my holier than thou uptight self for pointing out the mockery and insults which btw didn't only come from khoji. The religious people this religious people that posts wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were posted by other immature ones like me... just not you, queer, you're better than that.

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I think Sam Harris should be gassed to death. He is a violent savage and a bigot. I wish to see him die in my lifetime. No place for evil genocidal people on Earth who supported Bush wars and talk about wiping religion out (along with it religious people). Have already seen Hitchens fall. Dying to see the rest of the Four Horsemen fall. Ironic.

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well your second paragraph answers the first. if my being friends with religious people means i shouldn't question their intentions when they start with stuff about evolution etc, it also means you musn't say things like "The past few days that the atheists have been questioning religion." obviously i don't mean every single religious person, i mean those that seek to validate their religiosity by starting to question atheist beliefs on origins etc, but balk at any questions on the origin of god. etc.

and secondly, all this atheists started this, religious people started that only goes as back as you care to see.

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how easy it is for some people to label people atheist, theist, this and that. :)

didn't know general discussions made someone an atheist.

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no no :no: philo I didnt mean that :bummer:

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^not you lp!